Matthew 5:18-19: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Which is exactly what I said.....

hmmmmmmm

Cause presumable the state would exact revenge for you after giving the guy a trial by jury.

Where did you get the idea that the sermon on the mount did away with OT law?? Jesus said; "Matthew 5:17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Nothing about replacing the law.....

Nothing "cruel and unusual" about death, happens to everyone. It would be if they were drawn and quartered...

John 1:17 for starters

[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Post from Maynard -

'Fine'? Define 'fine' for me, first.

If you mean lawful, well, maybe yes, maybe no.

If it could be shown that you were still in such a mental shape after two days, two weeks, two years, that you acted upon an irresistable impulse, in the heat of passion, not in your right mind, etc., then you would most likely nnot be convicted of murder, but most likely acquitted, or convicted of manslaughter at the worst.

Depends upon the circumstances, doesn't it?

Because the State is the one who determines such things and, just as it says that if you take the life of someone who killed your child after two hours, two days, two weeks, or two years, then you are not guilty of 'murder', then it can also say that when it executes someone after a trial, appeal, and several years, that it is likewise not 'murder.'

You can quibble with this issue all you wish, but just as a society can forgive the murder by its citizens of foreign soldiers in a war, and send men off to drop bombs on innocent men, women and children during the course of that war when it is faced with a military necessity, then it can likewise put to death its own citizens (and the citizens of other nations, e.g. Nuremburg), when it finds that by so doing it serves the society's best interests.

Period.

B|tch, scream, moan, pizz, it ain't gonna change!

Ever.

Eric The(ReasonableAfterAllTheseYears)Hun[>]:)]

John.8
[1] Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
[2] And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
[3] And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[4] They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
[5] Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[6] This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
[7] So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[ 8] And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[9] And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[10] When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[11] She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
[13] The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.
[14] Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.
[15] Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

you have no option for polititions and inner party members.

Post from Maynard -

Deter? Who said anything about deter? Not I!

The death penalty may deter some folks, but not others.

The death penalty is, was, and always will be about [b]punishment.[/b]

If it deters some, that is all well and good, but that is not the reason we have it - for the murderer, his life was already forfeit.

And the fact that the murderer dies might deter some others. That is also well and good.

But not [u]required[/u]!

If it can be conclusively shown that throughout the combined history of mankind, [u]not[/u] [u]one[/u] potential murderer was ever [b]deterred[/b] because of the death penalty, I would be surprised, but it would still be the correct punishment for certain murders.

First off, it is the ultimate punishment, and is admittedly the greatest penalty that can be inflicted upon another human.

Second, it would stop blood feuds, which was one of the first rationales for having the society use capital punishment in the first instance.

Third, it prevents the citizens from taking the law into their own hands and executing the suspected murderer without the benefits of a jury trial, appeal, and legal representation for the accused.

Those reasons alone are sufficient to allow capital punishment in any civilized society.

Eric The(Undeterred)Hun[>]:)]

Post from Maynard -

My apologies, Sir.

I though I had heard some, but it appears that I was mistaken!

Eric The(CarryOn!)Hun[>]:)]

L86 said it "may " deter others, and would definetly deter the perp. The main reason for the death penalty is restitution. You pay for a life with a life....

I ALMOST agree.

Never say ALL.

Well, almost never (since you should never say never).

For example, what if some outstanding citizen were to get fed up and snuff Reno and slick Willie???  I'd say give 'em a medal!

VERY simple.

Depends on whether or not they need killin'. [;)]

fyi - I am pro choice but think that the idiots who use it as a form of birth control will probably roast in hell.