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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:22:26 PM EDT
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9mm?
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:22:48 PM EDT
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.177 is what you're looking for...
...in an air rifle  Speed |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:23:13 PM EDT
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pretty sure a new .22 would cost less than a reloaded .25
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:24:55 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr?
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:25:13 PM EDT
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I don't think, but... A interesting fact about .25 ACP is they use 1 grain of powder and there is 7000 grains in a pound. That's 7,000 rounds out of one pound of powder!
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:25:42 PM EDT
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How much is a 25 acp bullet, powder, and primer? Less than $0.05?
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:25:44 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? because everybody does it that way! |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:27:10 PM EDT
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Something about tits on a bull......
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:27:26 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:28:46 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? You are not thinking clearly. If the reloads cost more than a .22lr then why bother? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:29:43 PM EDT
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I've thought for years that this would be a cool idea. Maybe in a bolt action with contours similar to a 77/22. If it would work in a blowback action maybe a 10/22 type receiver, in steel.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:29:55 PM EDT
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Do an M-4 build in .25....why?.....Because AMERICA, that's why!
Seriously, do it. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:30:19 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? You are not thinking clearly. If the reloads cost more than a .22lr then why bother? Because I already have a bunch of .22lr rifles, its fun to reload for precision and it doesnt look like anyone does this. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:30:39 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? You are not thinking clearly. If the reloads cost more than a .22lr then why bother? Because nobody else would have one, what more reason to buy or build a unique gun that nobody else has. At least it's not a proprietary round. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:31:12 PM EDT
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I've thought for years that this would be a cool idea. Maybe in a bolt action with contours similar to a 77/22. If it would work in a blowback action maybe a 10/22 type receiver, in steel. Exactly. I'd love to see a 77/25. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:32:29 PM EDT
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Bullet choice would be pretty heavily limited.
And reloading that tiny brass would be really annoying. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:32:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? You are not thinking clearly. If the reloads cost more than a .22lr then why bother? Because I already have a bunch of .22lr rifles, its fun to reload for precision and it doesnt look like anyone does this. I still think these are your best bet: http://www.airgundepot.com/air-rifles-by-brand.html They can be reloaded indefinitely and many are more powerful than a .25ACP  Speed |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:33:07 PM EDT
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204 ruger
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:34:30 PM EDT
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Some years back there was an article in Guns magazine about this very subject. The author developed a round on the .32 ACP cartridge.
It was necked down to .22 and called the .22 Flea. If I remember correctly he said he could load it from .22 LR velocities all the way to .22 Mag or Hornet. Can't remember which. I do remember he had the prototype rifle made up on a Remington Rolling block. He said the next experiment (Which I never got to read about) was to make a barrel for a .32 automatic and have a repeating wildcat! Good luck in your endeavor! 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:35:45 PM EDT
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204 ruger Thats more of a standard rifle cartridge. I'd think what I'm looking for would be closer to .22 hornet than .204. A pocket full of .25acp would be about the same as a pocket of .22lr. Moreso than .22hornet or .204 that is. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:41:32 PM EDT
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I've thought for years that this would be a cool idea. Maybe in a bolt action with contours similar to a 77/22. If it would work in a blowback action maybe a 10/22 type receiver, in steel. Same here. I don't think anyone makes one and I have looked into making my own a little. It would be a fun rifle. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:47:06 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be great if there was a rifle in .22 that shot a 55-77gr bullet, was easy to reload, and was accurate?
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:53:51 PM EDT
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Chamber inserts
32 acp is pretty common.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:55:31 PM EDT
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Chamber inserts 32 acp is pretty common. Was .32 ACP ever chambered in anything other than pistols and SMGs? |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:56:40 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be great if there was a rifle in .22 that shot a 55-77gr bullet, was easy to reload, and was accurate? It wouldn't be different. Everybody and his uncle has one. The whole attraction for people like me and the OP is the idea of something original that nobody(or almost nobody) else has. Ever since RIA came out with the .22TCM I have also been wondering if it would be feasible to neck a .45 down to .30 caliber and use .30 carbine bullets. Look at all the .300 blackout leghumpers. That round has really caught on and if someone would have listened to things like "just get a 6.8 SPC or AR10" the round would have never hit the market. Having a "different" gun, especially one that uses existing ammunition would be fun. I want a side by side .22LR too, but building it is well beyond my tools. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:57:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Chamber inserts 32 acp is pretty common. Was .32 ACP ever chambered in anything other than pistols and SMGs? Probably not, but you can convert a 303/308/30-06/7.62x54r into a 32acp rifle for cheap. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 2:57:25 PM EDT
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Chamber inserts 32 acp is pretty common. They suck. I ruined an Enfield with a .32 chamber insert(ringed a nice Savage barrel). |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:00:48 PM EDT
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5mm center fire. they have been coming out with brass for what used to be a 5mm rim fire round, and making it center fire, just need to convert the bolt.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:02:53 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? You are not thinking clearly. If the reloads cost more than a .22lr then why bother? Because I already have a bunch of .22lr rifles, its fun to reload for precision and it doesnt look like anyone does this. I would think the 20 or so types of extremely accurate match ammo available for the .22lr - all of which would likely be cheaper than reloading .25 auto- might take away some of your zeal for this. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:03:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: I'm going to do it. I'm going to call it .223 and load it in a lightweight modular semiautomatic rifle. Quoted: Wouldn't it be great if there was a rifle in .22 that shot a 55-77gr bullet, was easy to reload, and was accurate? It wouldn't be different. Everybody and his uncle has one. The whole attraction for people like me and the OP is the idea of something original that nobody(or almost nobody) else has. Ever since RIA came out with the .22TCM I have also been wondering if it would be feasible to neck a .45 down to .30 caliber and use .30 carbine bullets. Look at all the .300 blackout leghumpers. That round has really caught on and if someone would have listened to things like "just get a 6.8 SPC or AR10" the round would have never hit the market. Having a "different" gun, especially one that uses existing ammunition would be fun. I want a side by side .22LR too, but building it is well beyond my tools. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:04:26 PM EDT
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OP, I'm sorry to report that you have Wildcat's Disease. A virulent malady that makes you design stupid rifles and overly expensive custom cartridges simply because no one else has found a reason, usually due to economics and logical thinking. Symptoms include ridiculous amounts of lost time/blackouts, crushing poverty, and divorce.
Just get a 5.7 rifle and call it a day. I've never seen any practical use for 5.7 but if it will make ya happy, its a 22 that's re loadable, won't cost you a fortune to have somebody chamber a rifle for you does nothing special that other, less expensive cartridges can't do. That's pretty much what you asked for. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:05:36 PM EDT
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OP, I'm sorry to report that you have Wildcat's Disease. A virulent malady that makes you design stupid rifles and overly expensive custom cartridges simply because no one else has found a reason, usually due to economics and logical thinking. Symptoms include ridiculous amounts of lost time/blackouts, crushing poverty, and divorce. Just get a 5.7 rifle and call it a day. I've never seen any practical use for 5.7 but if it will make ya happy, its a 22 that's re loadable, won't cost you a fortune to have somebody chamber a rifle for you does nothing special that other, less expensive cartridges can't do. That's pretty much what you asked for. Now that you named the cure, the disease has moved on. A 5.7 won't do. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:08:42 PM EDT
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Chamber inserts 32 acp is pretty common. Was .32 ACP ever chambered in anything other than pistols and SMGs? AP-74 rifle was chambered in .22lr and in .32acp... It was an AR-15 lookalike from the seventies, the .22 version was used in the original 1978 Dawn of the Dead. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:09:22 PM EDT
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I just saw an add for a .25 air rifle, but I can't remember where.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:10:21 PM EDT
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just thought of another, 22 hornet, nice round, reloadable, fairly cheap components.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:10:29 PM EDT
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I know a fella that made one for shits and grins out of a Marlin Mod. 25, but he told me it ain't really worth the effort. He just wanted to see what it would take to do it- turns out it was a LOTTA work (re-machining a bolt was the least of it.).
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:11:08 PM EDT
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Why not a PPSH in 7.62X25? Wolf has the ammo brass cased, boxer primed. The bonus is tons of cheap surplus.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:11:45 PM EDT
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just thought of another, 22 hornet, nice round, reloadable, fairly cheap components. and dismally short brass life due to thin case walls. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:12:57 PM EDT
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25ACP bullet on a 25-06
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:16:02 PM EDT
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I'm going to do it. I'm going to call it .223 and load it in a lightweight modular semiautomatic rifle.
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Wouldn't it be great if there was a rifle in .22 that shot a 55-77gr bullet, was easy to reload, and was accurate? It wouldn't be different. Everybody and his uncle has one. The whole attraction for people like me and the OP is the idea of something original that nobody(or almost nobody) else has. Ever since RIA came out with the .22TCM I have also been wondering if it would be feasible to neck a .45 down to .30 caliber and use .30 carbine bullets. Look at all the .300 blackout leghumpers. That round has really caught on and if someone would have listened to things like "just get a 6.8 SPC or AR10" the round would have never hit the market. Having a "different" gun, especially one that uses existing ammunition would be fun. I want a side by side .22LR too, but building it is well beyond my tools. I've already got ARs in various calibers. If I cant find what I'm looking for I'll continue to use my suppressed 9mm AR or my suppressed 522 until my integrally suppressed .22lr clears the feds. I wanted something new instead of what has already been beat to death. Quoted:
OP, I'm sorry to report that you have Wildcat's Disease. A virulent malady that makes you design stupid rifles and overly expensive custom cartridges simply because no one else has found a reason, usually due to economics and logical thinking. Symptoms include ridiculous amounts of lost time/blackouts, crushing poverty, and divorce. Just get a 5.7 rifle and call it a day. I've never seen any practical use for 5.7 but if it will make ya happy, its a 22 that's re loadable, won't cost you a fortune to have somebody chamber a rifle for you does nothing special that other, less expensive cartridges can't do. That's pretty much what you asked for. Are you talking 5.7x28? That would fit the bill. I didnt realize there were any bolt rifles chambered in it. To google I go. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:17:22 PM EDT
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.25acp is basically a centerfire .22lr in power... Why not just get a .22lr? The point is to get a project rifle that can be reloaded for. Can you reload .22lr? Actually, you can...kind of. I've read of people disassembling .22LR rounds, and reloading the primed cases with different powder and bullets. Jane |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:17:22 PM EDT
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Why not a PPSH in 7.62X25? Wolf has the ammo brass cased, boxer primed. The bonus is tons of cheap surplus. Maybe I should have made it more prominent that I'm looking for something along the lines of a 77/22. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:23:01 PM EDT
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Back in the sixties, Charles Askins converted a Colt .22 target pistol to centerfire using 5.5 velo-dog brass...he used it in the national matches (some sort of loophole in the rules, .22 centerfire could technically be used in the .38 matches). He ended up resigning from the Border Patrol because of it.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:26:27 PM EDT
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If I was a marketing VP at a firearms company and someone came to me with an idea for a .25 ACP rifle, I would fire them on the spot. At least a 1200fps .22LR is effective out to 100 yards from a rifle. A .25 acp won't have any range and it can't come close to the 3 cents a round cost of a .22LR round.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:26:54 PM EDT
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I think a .25 ACP carbine would be neat. More reliable feeding and ignition. Given how cheap .22 ammo is and how common it is, combined with how much there is inthe industry to support the cartridge, it certainly wouldn't sell, but it is a neat idea for a custom piece.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:27:38 PM EDT
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Hell, sounds like an interesting project and possibly a fun little gun.
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:30:02 PM EDT
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If I was a marketing VP at a firearms company and someone came to me with an idea for a .25 ACP rifle, I would fire them on the spot. At least a 1200fps .22LR is effective out to 100 yards from a rifle. A .25 acp won't have any range and it can't come close to the 3 cents a round cost of a .22LR round. If I were CEO, I'd fire my VP who fired the idea originator 
The idea of the 25 is reliable feeding where .22LR falls short. It would be an interesting novelty rifle. Maybe an MP5 clone (ala GSG) with stick mags that held 50 rounds or more. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:41:11 PM EDT
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If I was a marketing VP at a firearms company and someone came to me with an idea for a .25 ACP rifle, I would fire them on the spot. At least a 1200fps .22LR is effective out to 100 yards from a rifle. A .25 acp won't have any range and it can't come close to the 3 cents a round cost of a .22LR round. If I were CEO, I'd fire my VP who fired the idea originator
The idea of the 25 is reliable feeding where .22LR falls short. It would be an interesting novelty rifle. Maybe an MP5 clone (ala GSG) with stick mags that held 50 rounds or more. The CHEAPEST .25 acp on the market right now is .26 cents a round. 9mm would be a much better choice and 9mm ammo can be had for .20 cents a round. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:48:59 PM EDT
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You could have a little more control over consistency reloading it, and tailor loads for various purposes. Cases would likely last awhile, and you get more consistent ignition and feeding, and probably better accuracy than .22 LR. You could also use double stack mags. It would likely be just quiet if not more quiet than a .22 LR rifle depending on the load.
It would be costly, but it seems like a fun idea. |
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:50:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Wouldn't it be great if there was a rifle in .22 that shot a 55-77gr bullet, was easy to reload, and was accurate? You mean like 5.7x28? |
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