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Posted: 6/24/2002 2:12:20 PM EDT
For, um, [i]curiousity's sake[/i]... which state is more gun friendly... Kentucky or Indiana?
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 2:15:49 PM EDT
I know you probably want facts, but I'll give a little guess here. Sorry ;) I'll guess KY would be, simply because Indiana has more cities, and we all know that cities=liberals. Ok, now I can look at facts, but by the time I do that the people who already know will have replied :)
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 2:16:29 PM EDT
Well, Kentucky is definitely more friendly towards siblings and cousins!
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 2:18:46 PM EDT
Well we in Indiana have 3 things that Kentucky has obviously banned. Soap, toothpaste, and books.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 3:14:45 PM EDT
Miss Magnum- Both were pretty friendly towards right to carry. In Indianda and Kentucky, if you have a carry permit from any state, they honor it. I thought that was a bit of alright, as I didn't have to wade through a bunch of nebulous reciprocity agreements. I lived in KY for a while, and never had any problems in the gun area. I carried a few times into Indiana - never did any shooting there. Have you thought about checking www.packing.org? They usually have a good compendium of gun laws, and give you links to actual state code. Hope all my rambling points you in the right direction. Tanker
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:00:26 PM EDT
Thanks, guys.... my family is in Louisville, Kentucky, which is right across the way from Indiana. Doing a little research.... [:D]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:33:15 PM EDT
In KY you may hunt with a rifle. In IN you are limited to the shotgun for deer.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:35:24 PM EDT
well...ky. does have that little knob creek thing going for it!!! of course, you've heard the stories of bullet county! i say ohio is better horse country! i asked our horses if they wanted to move to ky., and they said, "nayyyyyyyy"! indiana...gateway to illinois!
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:42:25 PM EDT
as far as i know, they're both the gun friendliest states in the midwest. pretty equal. the reasoning behind not allowing rifle hunting is the proximity of "out-of-the-way" houses that nobody remembers being there. basically, there's a lot less tree cover in IN (especially northern half) and rifle rounds go too far if they've missed the target. as far concealed carry goes, indiana has always had it. but i do remember back in mid-90's kentucky repealed its ban on concealed carry so it's back on par with indiana. indiana is also a "shall issue" state. don't know about kentucky. as far as democrat strongholds, aside from gary (basically chicago) i'm not sure one really exists). indy is hardly a dem city. one district is about all they can guarantee at election time. the rest of the districts have people with money who vote to keep it. you thinkin' of movin', MM?
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:44:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum: For, um, [i]curiousity's sake[/i]... which state is more gun friendly... Kentucky or Indiana?
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Kentucky. Plus you get the best basketball the country has to offer. Go Big Blue!
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 4:52:38 PM EDT
Kentucky by far, even the University of Kentucky professors are mostly PRO GUN!
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 5:03:10 PM EDT
My family lives in Louisville as well as my two best girl friends. I've been kicking the idea around for about two years now but after my last visit home and seeing that my momma and uncle and aunt aren't gettin' any younger.. well, I'd like to be closer to them than Virginia. Unless something major is tying me here around spring of next year, I'll probably move.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 5:13:10 PM EDT
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I was admitted to the Univ of Kentucky law school, but am going to reject the offer of admission due to health issues. But, I did take a trip there to get a good look around. I live in WI; to get to Lexington KY, I had to drive through Indiana and Kentucky. 1. ANY ccw is recognized by either state. 2. Open carry is okay in KY; it is forbidden in IN. 3. Both states have preemption; however, Indiana grandfathered anti-gun ordnances in Gary and East Chicago. (Note that those are the two most dangerous towns in EITHER state.) 4. Both states are agreeable in terms of long guns, but Indiana forbids private sales of handguns and "assault weapons." Kentucky doesn't treat pistols any differently than long guns. 5. Indiana bans loans based on guns. (ie. No gun-and-pawns.) Kentucky has some pretty cool gun-and-pawns. 6. In terms of NFA items, Indiana bans short-barreled shotguns. Anything goes in Kentucky. Thus, I'd say that Kentucky is the better bet for guns. (Plus there's that whole Knob Creek thingy.) Hmm. Take a poke at the NRA's site: Kentucky's laws are at [url]http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=Detail&R=ky[/url] Indiana's laws are at [url]http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=Detail&R=in[/url] Good luck, Miss Magnum! Mike
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 5:17:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB: snip [red]i say ohio is better horse country! [/red] snip indiana...gateway to illinois!
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Jeez Campy, what are you smokin' up there? Every once in awhile, we let an Ohio bred win a [b]REAL[/b] horse race. It's really sad watching those Ohio swaybacks struggle down the stretch! [:D] Miss_Mag....you love horses right? I can show you how to really get rid of your money on horses [;)]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 5:38:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR308and223: I can show you how to really get rid of your money on horses [;)]
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I have four horses. I've already figured out how to get rid of my money on horses. [whacko][:D]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 6:13:40 PM EDT
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Kentucky is VERY gun friendly. The [s]Commies[/s] Brady's website ranks KY among the worst in the country![^]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:03:17 PM EDT
KY is a great state for gun owners. Concealed and open carry are allowed here and nobody gives you any grief about firearms. The police even treat gun owners well. If they pull you over and find a weapon in the vehicle, they will probably run a check on it...but only to make sure it isn't stolen! Most of them will comment on it if you are carrying a nice piece! Hehe. I have never had any problems here and consider Kentucky as gun friendly as any state in the country. Plus, there are plenty of places to shoot as well and great hunting! Also, ignore the ignorant comments about Kentucky being nothing but a bunch of dumb, toothless hillbillies. These people probably got their "country" info from watching Andy Griffith and Gomer Pyle! LOL. It is a great state with lots of open and beautiful areas and has one great basketball team...usually! Hehe.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:17:02 PM EDT
KY requires some training for CCW. Indiana is a $25 permit fee. Both are good gun states. Southern Indiana is much more hilly and has better terrain. The northern 3/4 of the state is very flat, but you can find nice areas. I live in Cincinnati and grew up north of here right on the OH/IN border (Eaton, Ohio/Richmond, IN). My wife is from Liberty Indiana in Union County. I do a lot of work down in Dearborn County in Lawrenceburg. The river areas are nice. My wife's dad lives in Harrison County KY. That is some seriously remote shit out there. They have to buy their water and have it trucked in. Sadieville is the closest town of about 150 people. Cynthiana is about 20 minutes. It's about 4000 people. Better shooting terrain in KY if you ask me. Lousiville area is real nice. I have family in Shepherdsville out in Bullitt County. We love to trek around the hills down there and it's not too far from Knob Creek. We go camping at Red River Gorge all the time. I'd say if you don't mind training for a CCW, then KY has the vote. Otherwise, they are about equal par. FYI... KY is a more technologically developed state than Indiana. Belive it or not, KY is actually more developed with fiber optic backbone Internet infrastructure than most states in the union. You got to buy your water, but you can get wireless broadband in almost all parts of the state via Bluegrass Net.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:19:33 PM EDT
Miss Magnum, You know where home is. Come on back. Ky is the way to go. Do what is in your heart. Plus you can ride with us (my wife and I) to the next BRC. We already have reservations at the Ice House!
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:25:43 PM EDT
[url=http://www.packing.org]http://www.packing.org[/url]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 7:57:29 PM EDT
Prebans- I think I am going to have to take issue with a few of your items: #2. Open carry is allowed in Indiana. The state law makes no reference to banning open carry, and the permits issued are "License to carry handgun". The permits make no reference to the gun having to be concealed. #4. I've never heard of Indiana banning the private transfer of handguns. In fact, I know that you can go to the local P.D. and register (don't ask me why you would, its not required) any handgun you purchase from another person. #5. Guns and pawn shops? I have NEVER been to a pawn shop in Indiana that didn't have guns. I do agree that Kentucky probably is more gun friendly, but Indiana does have one thing that nobody has mentioned before....I was legally carrying a handgun when I was 18. You can't do that in Kentucky.
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 9:33:09 PM EDT
I really like [red][b]Indiana[/b][/red]... Eric (In Indiana [:D])
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 9:37:16 PM EDT
Good state. I have a license to carry concealed deadly weapons. The training is no big deal. 1 class, written test and then a range test. You shoot at a B21 target 21 feet away. SO, no big deal. [url]www.kc3.com[/url] [url]www.knobcreekrange.com[/url]
Link Posted: 6/24/2002 11:31:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/25/2002 12:16:28 AM EDT
Ben, Just LOL about your comments. They are all so true about how things are here. The tech stuff is certainly widely available but like you say some other things are lacking seriously. I do have my own well though, so trucking water in isn't necessary where I am at. There is public water too but I find the chlorine treated stuff unfit for anything but washing the vehicles or perhaps filling a pool. It is rural also for the most part. Sometimes it gets annoying to have to drive for miles to get a Big Mac or to do shopping. But I enjoy being rural for the most part. You can do what you want in peace and not be hassled about noise ordinances and such. If you want to play music loud, there is nobody there to hear it and complain! LOL. Same thing when you want to go shooting. Instead of driving to a range, just go out into your yard! I too have camped at Red River Gorge. Beautiful area as is Natural Bridge State Resort Park. Land Between The Lakes area is also nice and has some great fishing.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 4:01:22 AM EDT
I love my father-in-law's place. He has a 20 acre farm that butts up to his neighbor's 4200 acres. It's nestled betwen two really large hills. The old man neighbor lets us hunt, etc.. on his mountains. It's about halfway between Cincinnati and Lexington. A lot of people who work in Georgetown a Toyota have started moving out to Harrison County, but in some places, you can still buy land for $1000 an acre. We've got acreage down there that we plan to build on later on. If the SHTF, you will find me on a hill somewhere in Harrison County.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 6:41:09 AM EDT
I'm not qualified to comment on Indiana's gun laws, but as a practicing attorney in Kentucky (Harlan County, in far eastern Kentucky), I can tell you that Kentucky is very gun friendly. 1. We are a "shall issue" ccw state, and reciprocate with almost all other states; 2. Private sales of rifles, shotguns and pistols (essentially everything except Class 3) is legal between indiviuals; 3. Even if you don't have a ccw, there is a specific statute that allows you to carry in the glove box of your car, lock or unlocked, and the gun loaded; 4. Most police officers I come in contact with are in favor of an armed citizenry; 5. Open carry is completely legal. I would have to say that based upon the little I know for a fact about other state's gun laws, Kentucky is one of the most gun friendly states, if no the most gun friendly state in this region of the country. If you need more information, e-mail me at rmmelvin@bellsouth.net and I can mail you a copy of Kentucy's gun laws as compiled by our friends at the ATF.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:39:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ernie: Well we in Indiana have 3 things that Kentucky has obviously banned. Soap, toothpaste, and books.
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Given the fact that you dimwits elected prettyboy leftist Evan Bayh to the Senate, you are disqualified from commenting on other states. And no thanks, Ernie, I don't want fries with that. [BD]
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:49:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gravitynoodle:
Originally Posted By Ernie: Well we in Indiana have 3 things that Kentucky has obviously banned. Soap, toothpaste, and books.
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Given the fact that you dimwits elected Bayh to the Senate, it would seem like you have your "facts" backwards. And no thanks, Ernie, I don't want fries with that.
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Yeah Grav, he comes across as less than a genius doesn't he. Miss Magnum the worst I've experienced is some of the bolt action guys will look at you sideways cause they don't understand the appeal of an ar15. However after giving up a few hundred rnds. over the years I've converted several to our cause so no big deal. It was worth it.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:51:56 AM EDT
Come on MM, what about California? We are A-OK in Sarahs book. [url]www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/state/viewstate.asp?state=ca[/url] [:D]
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 8:55:29 AM EDT
Kentucky is probably a better choice for childless people because they don't have to worry about finding a quality school system. Also, Kentucky is superior to Indiana if you want to grow tobacco. Kentuckians have to leave the state if they want to attend major league pro sports events or gamble in a casino. Other than that, it's a wash.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 9:11:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JCR: Prebans- I think I am going to have to take issue with a few of your items: #2. Open carry is allowed in Indiana. The state law makes no reference to banning open carry, and the permits issued are "License to carry handgun". The permits make no reference to the gun having to be concealed. #4. I've never heard of Indiana banning the private transfer of handguns. In fact, I know that you can go to the local P.D. and register (don't ask me why you would, its not required) any handgun you purchase from another person. #5. Guns and pawn shops? I have NEVER been to a pawn shop in Indiana that didn't have guns. I do agree that Kentucky probably is more gun friendly, but Indiana does have one thing that nobody has mentioned before....I was legally carrying a handgun when I was 18. You can't do that in Kentucky.
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glad someone was paying attention. thanks, JCR. he made it sound like we were on par with california. i'd like to add that i didn't read anything about SHORT-BARRELED shotguns. however, the text referred to [b]sawed-off[/b] shotguns. there is a difference, according to the law (though not indiana law since there is not statutory definition for firearms). short-barrelled would be a FEDERAL issue, not a state issue anyhow, wouldn't it? and sawed-off would probably be illegal in length. the bottom line is pretty much this: if federal law allows it, so does indiana, and then some.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 9:20:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gravitynoodle:
Originally Posted By Ernie: Well we in Indiana have 3 things that Kentucky has obviously banned. Soap, toothpaste, and books.
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Given the fact that you dimwits elected prettyboy leftist Evan Bayh to the Senate, you are disqualified from commenting on other states. And no thanks, Ernie, I don't want fries with that. [BD]
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fyi, he didn't start toeing the liberal democrat party line until he started sharing real estate with the likes of teddy and daschle. indiana's on it's 4th term with a democrat governor. current one was bayh's lt. gov. IIRC, both were given passing grades by the NRA on gun issues. bayh didn't turn liberal until he got into washington. trust me, he never would have been elected if he had been a liberal politician here. i'll wager money that he won't get re-elected for a 2nd term too. indiana is notoriously conservative. pay attention to the next presidential election. indiana's 11 votes are always given to the republican candidate as soon as the clock passes 6:01pm. aside from kennedy (and even then i'm not sure), i don't think we've ever given our electoral votes to a democrat. local politics are a different story. but even the dems are mild-mannered middle-of-the-roaders compared to the national liberal dems.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 9:53:33 AM EDT
Speaking of former Governor, now Senator Evan Bayh, ARLady said:
Originally Posted By ARLady: fyi, he didn't start toeing the liberal democrat party line until he started sharing real estate with the likes of teddy and daschle.
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ARLady is correct. One of Governor Bayh's first liberal litmus tests happened early in his first term when some off-beat religious group demanded that their "bible" be placed in the rooms alongside the Gideon Bibles in the lodges at the state parks or else the Gideon Bibles be removed if their "bible" was disallowed. Bayh could have easily hid behind the Separation Clause of the U.S. Constitution and ordered the Bibles removed since the lodges are owned and operated by the State. But, to this Conservative's amazement, Bayh told the group to, in effect, "get lost" and stated the Bibles could remain in the rooms. This what it takes for a Democrat to survive politically at the state-wide level in Indiana. Bayh will have to follow the lead of Senators like Zell Miller and Sam Nunn if he intends to get re-elected.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 11:33:16 AM EDT
I lived in Louisville for about 8 years it's great. I am thinking of moving back. I was there last weekend for a weddding and a job interview. It seems to be a gun friendly state. If you do move there, check out Shooter Suppply, it's a great store with an excellent selection of SURs(AR-15, FN FALs, Barrets, AK-47) and handguns.
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Link Posted: 6/25/2002 3:51:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ratters: Come on MM, what about California? We are A-OK in Sarahs book. [:D]
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Actually I grew up in N. California... LOL I've lived in about eight states. I'll get wanderlust and just up and move. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 3:59:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Miss_Magnum:
Originally Posted By Ratters: Come on MM, what about California? We are A-OK in Sarahs book. [:D]
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Actually I grew up in N. California... LOL I've lived in about eight states. I'll get wanderlust and just up and move. [:D]
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Wheresabouts in norcal? I have a couple friends like you. Just have itchy feet. I'm living about 20 minutes from the Hospital I was born in. Lived in Santa Barbara for a few years but that was enough. I'd be perfectly content to stay in my house forever if the govt. in California didn't suck so bad.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 4:29:44 PM EDT
I lived in Sausalito, Rio Nido and Santa Rosa but spent the majority of my childhood in Forestville.... little podunk town in Sonoma County. Forestville is so small that I remember when we got our first light... a flashing yellow one. When I went back for my 10 year reunion in 2000 they had turned the flashing light off. LOL I have a lot of fond memories of canoeing, fishing, hiking in the redwoods, riding in the vineyards.... beautiful country out there.
Link Posted: 6/25/2002 4:31:40 PM EDT
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