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El Plan de Aztlán

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano[/a] inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny......

[url]http://free.freespeech.org/mexadecuboulder/MEXAplana.html[/url]

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We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.

3. Self-Defense against the occupying forces of the oppressors at every school, every available man, woman, and child.

A nation autonomous and free - culturally, socially, economically, and politically- will make its own decisions on the usage of our lands, the taxation of our goods, the utilization of our bodies for war, the determination of justice (reward and punishment), and the profit of our sweat.

El Plan de Aztlán is the plan of liberation!

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Well, LARRYG, you are correct on two points:

I did write "pole" when I should have written poll (a silly mistake – forgive me). And also, I do much prefer CNN and the BBC for my news sources because I think that FOX is like the Dell Comics version of the news that targets and appeals to the feeble-minded.

But, since you don't care about what I find dubious, you probably don't care about that  either.

But I would ask you, despite the apparent sabre-rattling of a few Mexicans (whose allegiance and vote can be secured by their puppet-masters for less than U$10), do you seriously believe that the U.S.A. is threatened militarily by Mexico?

Regarding the poll (got it right this time): Of course 58% of Mexicans are going to say that – I'm surprised it isn't far more. But what does it mean? Ask any ex-colonial power the same question and you would get a similar response – everyone can come up with an excuse for failure and say, "We wus robbed!". A similar poll in the U.K. wouldn't mean the Brits are planning to take it all back!

Your contention, prompted apparently by your beloved FOX, is politically, economically and, above all, militarily ridiculous. In fact, in a kind of round about way, you virtually prove my point.

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That's so cute..."Does that mean that the other 42% of wetbacks are OK?"  and then the beaner version of Macho..."say it to my face"...how cute and probably plays big in Mexico City.

Actually, I think 100% of wetbacks are garbage and scum and should be shipped back to their own 3rd world country to make something of it.

Sorry you consider yourself a wetback...did you not come here legally?  If you did, leave.  If you didn't, why do you care about criminals?

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that the Southwestern US is rightfully theirs and should be returned.  It's not on their website, but FOX aired it tonight on Hannity and Colmes.  Frankly, they can have Kali, but not Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona.  It was brought up to the guest who was advocating this that a treaty signed in 1848 should end any discussion, even Colmes admitted that.  The guest said that the treaty made it legal, but it wasn't right and many Mexicans felt upset over this issue.  It was pointed out that, like other PC subjects that are currently being beaten to death in this country, this is a long dead issue and to get over it.  Oh, the guest also took a swipe at 'right wing radicals' and our immigration policy, insinuating that the border should be wide open so even more Mexicans can come to the US.  He also compared them to the Palestinians and called the Palestinians of the US.  

I know this has been discussed previously, but not lately, and this was on tonight.  In previous threads, it has been shown that militant groups in Mexico want to achieve this by force and the SW US is being infiltrated.  Hey, if they start an insurrection there, I and many others on here will be there with you TX, NM, and AZ guys.

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It saddens me to see the fangs of racisism slowly starting to appear here. Oh how quickly we forget the "American" of mexican heritage who served in WWI and WWII, Korea, and VIETNAM. Funny how we all forgot about skin color in a fire fight and all I cared about was the guy next to me covering my ass and me his. Do the names Roy Benavidez, Emilio De La Garza, Daniel Fernandez, Alfredo Gonzales, Jose Francisco Jimenez sound familier or mean anything. It does to me! They are all Medal Of Honor Recipients! These are only a few names there are many many more. Some of these mens' forefathers were born outside of this Country of ours. I ask you all, what more does it take to be an American.

Just an FYI,

Poll:  July 1777 79% Brits say that they will return and take back the colonies.

Poll:  July 2001 100% Americans ready for Anyone to try and take back the Country.

When was the last time we REALLY took anything serious from what mexico had to say.

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It saddens me to see the fangs of racisms slowly starting to appear here... Just an FYI,

Poll:  July 1777 79% Brits say that they will return and take back the colonies.

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There was a candidate that was speaking to all of the issues people here are talking about in this thread,[img]http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid18/pf4c66c86778e6158393a9f55226a8125/fdcc5eb0.jpg[/img] but not enough voters backed him up.

Also don't forget we are short over 30 million American workers and their offspring (all future taxpayers) since we legalized abortion.

Everything is relative, in the end the aborted babies will get their revenge when it's our generations time to be sent to rest homes manned by the same uncaring foreigners that were necessary to replace them.

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LarryG, The following quote from you is just plain wrong.  "I got news for these idiots.  Mexicans, for the most part, are desendants of Spaniards, a European country."

[url]www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/[/url] click on Mexico for the details.  Mexico is 60% Mestizo-which is mostly Indian (mayan, Aztec, etc.) plus some Spanish mixed in, 30% Amerindian (Pure Indian) and just 9% pure white with 1% other races or ethnic groups.  Genetically, most Mexicans have more Indian blood than white Spanish blood.

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ThunderStick:
This was somewhat the point I was making, when I said the "fangs of racism". It's sad to see that the only exposure people are getting of Mexicans are the ones crossing the border illegally. Anybody been to Zacatecas lately?

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shooter69,

By definition, traces of Spanish ancestry in the Mestizo population means that the Spanish influence influence is slight and certainly does not mean that the majority are of Spanish descent.

However, as you said, the topic is that 58% of Mexicans think that they have a right to the land they once owned. So what? They are never going to make a serious attempt to take it back because they know as well has everyone else that they don't have a cat-in-hell's chance of suceeding. It's just a non-issue that FOX has dragged out to stir-up their audience.

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get a rope I think he's a beaner parading as a U.S. Service member!

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mexico was taken fairly enough through blood and battle, we took it with our own two hands, that is the law of nature, and no it is not PC.
unlike the Israelis, we can fight our own wars and take what we want by our own hands. And we can also keep it by our own hands, unlike the Israeli's.

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Hmph, as it appears many of you don't even live near the border.  Come on down here and see how the illegals DESTROY our national forests.  Come see what 2,000 illegals a day traveling through the Arivaca area can do to the land.  I have no problem with legal Mexicans and Mexican-Americans because like me, they are Americans.  I do however have a great problem with those that come over here illegally and ignore our laws and burn our flag.

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As long as the citizens of the Estados Unidos Mexicanos understand that our states are united as well, there won't be a problem. What you seem to be unaware of is that today's "crazy idea" can become tomorrow's nightmare. Demographic trends make it almost a certainty that these "issues" are only going to become more relevant WHATEVER YOU THINK... unless the Mexicans, shall we say "mature," as your countrymen did. (How many were still harboring grudeges back in 1932, stcyr?)

Oh, and as heartwarming as your assurances are that something like this could NEVER happen, Americans don't take their threat assessments from expat British tax dodgers living in the country in question. When serious security analysts consider this a problem, so do I.

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Quite the reactionary and sarcastic response from someone who knows nothing about me other than I don't like FOX – then again, perhaps that's all you need to know about someone before you trash their opinion and call them a tax dodger. So much for openmindedness!

More impartial views on this thread are no doubt available, however, in my innocence, I was merely trying to give my somewhat impartial viewpoint from the perspective of someone who has lived in the U.S. and Canada for 16 years and in Mexico for eight years (all legally, I might add). I did not expect to become a target of scorn from someone who professes an interest in what people in other countries think. Judging from your response, this interest only holds true when their opinions agree with your own.

Although I came to Mexico to retire, I got bored after a year and started a business here. Unlike many Mexicans, I pay all my taxes – low though they may be.

Regarding the British attitude in 1932 – I don't have any idea what you are talking about. I never heard any Brit even mention the idea of reclaiming their once N. American colonies.

Regarding the descendents issue – You seem to believe that any adulteration of a bloodline, no matter how insignificant, means that that race is descended from this trace genetic input. I can only say that there is some truth in that – a trace.

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Quite the reactionary and sarcastic response from someone who knows nothing about me other than I don't like FOX – then again, perhaps that's all you need to know about someone before you trash their opinion and call them a tax dodger. So much for openmindedness!

Regarding the British attitude in 1932 – I don't have any idea what you are talking about. I never heard any Brit even mention the idea of reclaiming their once N. American colonies.

Regarding the descendents issue – You seem to believe that any adulteration of a bloodline, no matter how insignificant, means that that race is descended from this trace genetic input. I can only say that there is some truth in that – a trace.