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Wayne County-you mean #@*%&!$##!!!!! speed trap county-been through the Clyde 2x gotten 2 tickets there-grrr (or is that in Cayuga County) anyway Wayne has regular permits right? None of this "hunting and target shooting" crap, right? Any good gun shops in Wayne? I've seen a couple on 104-that one with the sign with an apple on it, but haven't stopped.

FAL1980-any glock is fine and the mini glocks are excellent, I have a Glock 36, which is the little .45 and really like it. You may get your permit sooner than 6 months, that's usually a "worst case" scenario. Sometimes the stupid mental health check takes as long as the FBI. I got my permit in about 3 months, I think. At least Dutchess is a "free county.' Lotsa counties have horrible pistol permit laws-crap about hunting only on the permit, made up BS about classes you have to take and restrictions on what pistols you can buy blah blah. Anyway best of luck with your permit-definitely worth getting 'cause you never know what the future holds with our whacky legislature on these issues (no new assault weapons or mags in NY no matter what happens in 2004).

The restrictions on permits-usually to say "hunting and target shooting only" are BS created by judge's. It's not in the penal law, which states the kinds of permits you can have. However if you carry outside the permit restriction you could lose your permit, although you would probably beat a charge for illegally carrying a weapon since you have a permit (except for NYC which is specifically listed-upstate permits are no good there).

In my county-Oswego-everyone gets a straight Concealed Carry Permit if you get a permit. Most of the upstate counties are like that-usually it's the one's with large cities in 'em that have extra BS on the permits. I heard Erie County will only allow you to have certain pistols-revolvers, .22's-no glocks sigs but you can have a 1911 ( I guess those are "target guns")

There are also a couple of upstate cities Albany and Rochester, that have magazine capacity bans that might be something to watch out for. I think in Rochester you can't have a magazine that holds more than 17 rounds. I think these are on the ATF website under "NY Laws."

Good luck on getting your permit FAL1980.

The only variation from county to county is whether the county you live in places restrictions on the permits. Some counties have them some don't. However if you are issued a concealed carry permit it is good throughout the state, with the exception of New York City. For example, Suffolk County may not like giving out regular concealed carry permits, but that does not effect the validity of my concealed carry permit in Suffolk County.

Penal Law section 400.00 is where most of the pistol permit stuff is located here is part of it:

6. License: validity. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall be valid notwithstanding the provisions of any local law or ordinance. No license shall be transferable to any other person or premises. A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver, not otherwise limited as to place or time of possession, shall be effective throughout the state, except that the same shall not be valid within the city of New York unless a special permit granting validity is issued by the police commissioner of that city.

[url=]http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/newyork.pdf[/url] Some of NY's firearms laws, including Penal Law section 400 are located on this ATF website. You need Adobe acrobat to view it.

What you are going to get is the same concealed carry permit I have (I think) but it will have "For Hunting and Target Shooting Only" typed on it. I have never seen one of these so I'm guessing. Remember the Penal Law does not have a "Sportsman's License" that is something that the senoir County Court Judge in your county made up. However the courts have upheld the issuing judge's right to restrict pistol permits (surprise surprise).

You will receive a permit that will legally only allow you to carry a pistol for hunting and target shooting anywhere in NY. It doesn't matter if you come to Oswego County where we don't have those restrictions. Your license is restricted to those uses everywhere in the state (except in NYC where neither of our permits are any good).

Just like my permit is good for carry concealed anywhere in the state (outside NYC-it says it on the back of my permit even) your permit will only be good for hunting and target shooting anywher in the state outside of the City.

If a hypothetical bad person carried his pistol and was not hunting or target shooting but had that restriction on his license he probably could not be charged with a crime under the penal law (or would PROBABLY get out of it after a big court fight, maybe a weekend in jail, some attorney fees [:D] and a generally horrible experience), however the police officer who snagged this hypothetical bad person would probably take his pistol and turn him into the issuing officer (the county court judge, at least around here0. The issuing officer would then issue a notice saying that the person's pistols have to be turned over to the sherriff (although you can sell them later) and that either the pistol permit is revoked or you can have hearing on whether the permit should be revoked (which I would assume it would be if you are carrying out of class).

Sorry wish I could've told you otherwise [:(]