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It is sometimes legal and moral to shoot policemen, even when they are on duty and in uniform.

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The Supreme Court agreed with this in a case several (100-ish?) years ago.  I can't remember the name of the case, I have searched but can't find it, if anyone can, let me know because I don't remember any of the important details and I'd like to read up on it again.

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I'm guessing the governent was found in the wrong and police officer was a "state actor"?

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pick up that can..

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I thought about posting, then I thought better of it.  This is going to be a disaster no matter how you cut it.

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this thread needs a poll... when is it okay to shoot dirty hippies?

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And how has this thread managed to avoid degenerating into the usual stupidity?

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I am not touching this with my ten foot pole, all I am going to say is that people committing violent felonies should be met with lethal force as the law already allows.

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So glad I am issued an M4.

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No doubt there are crooked LEOs.

Ummm but just shooting them because you think they are a threat should (and probably will) get you a date with a gurney and a needle.

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Vote YES on Issue 2.

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"We are always right, they are always wrong, even if they're saying the same stuff I have said".

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Sounds like an organization need to be deemed a terrorist group and dealt with accordingly.............

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Funny how much in common many GD posters have with the OWS crowd.

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Feel free to expand upon your thoughts.

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Please.  I am interested in your insight as well.

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Lets take a step back, shall we?

Everyone, from every part of the political spectrum is pissed off.

First, these are the same people that rallied against Bush and voted for Obama. He was supposed to be their savior, change the structure of the .gov, make life fair, and things would be fine again.

The tea parties rallied, stuck to the letter of the law, even picked up their trash, took a few seats in Congress and was demonized for trying to stop the spending that their "savior" was touting as the way to fix the economy and put the common man back on his feet. OWSers think that the tea parties were trying to stop spending to fuck the little guy and help the rich, which is 100% backwards.

These kids watched all of this happen, except they watched it happen on MSNBC or ABC, where cries of "Koch brothers" and "tax cuts for the richest" filled their heads.

They were still not disenchanted with Obama or big .gov when the tea parties were demonized daily.

Unless you are in a local tea party, a 9.12er or sceptically watch Fox News your mind has been filled with HATE and CONTEMPT for the tea parties and their advocacy of less government, less spending, and lower taxes.

Fast forward a couple years....

Now these kids have seen that Obama is a sham, a fraud, bought and paid for, corrupt, and bankrupting their future at a lightning pace to maintain the status quo as well as paying off his banker and union friends.

They disagree with bailouts, not only seeing it as corruption, illegal as fuck, and a GIANT moral hazard, but also as undue influence on the .gov by industry lobbyists rearing it's head once again.

They disagree with decade long wars that have turned into PR campaigns and nation building, all of it being charged to the taxpayer tab.

The list goes on and on, but suffice to say they are generally pissed off at what has been done in their name and charged to a tab that they will have to pay back.

In short, taxation without representation.


Instead of Obama fixing it, he made it worse. Now they are pissed and they took a look at how quietly the tea parties went away once they were got a little sliver of power in the machine.

OWS decided that civil disobedience is the best path to highlighting how fucked up things are.

No permits, no permission, no surrender.

They fully expect this to come to violence, like it did in Oakland. And they fully expect that as it gets more and more violent they will be able to highlight that the only way this .gov can hold it's extra-constitutional powers is through brute force.

Many of these people are indeed "useful idiots" who've been duped into thinking that Socialism means "power for and by the people".  They can't see how our current system EVER worked for the people.

Remember these college kids were born in the 90's.

What they need is to hear differing viewpoints. From people other than tenured professors. And not filtered through media.

Now....


When is okay to shoot a cop? When they trample your unalienable rights in the name of an extra-constitutional government drunk on power and debt.

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I am not touching this with my ten foot pole, all I am going to say is that people committing violent felonies should be met with lethal force as the law already allows.

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Sounds like an organization need to be deemed a terrorist group and dealt with accordingly.............

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[Devil's Advocate]
Even when the people committing the violent felonies are LE?
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Meh, bring it.

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This is a repost, but it's appropriate for this thread:

Let me tell you about a group of American patriots who decided enough was enough in regards to nonsense firearms restrictions placed upon us by the government.

The Governor of Massachusetts passed a law supported by the legislature to ban the ownership of ammunition storage / caches. The restrictions also banned the collection of firearms in communities which may represent "militia activism."

This action failed to deter the patriotic people of Northern Massachusetts. They amassed stores of ammunition and arms all around their rural communities. They stocked their farm houses, personal properties and barns with arms and ammunition. The Governor be damned.

When the Governor learned of this defiance, he dispatched the State Police to arrest the so-called criminals and confiscate their arms and ammunition. He didn't want the media alerted, so he conducted his plan secretly. A large group of State Police were dispatched in the middle of April. However, their secret job was not so secret. A behind-the-scenes patriot from Boston learned about the Governor's plan and warned the citizens in danger about the approaching police force. The citizens reacted immediately and amassed along the governor's expected route, waited for the police's arrival then shot them to hell in an amazing shoot out.

It was an historic victory for the patriots of northern Massachusetts. The fight went on to be known as the battles of Lexington and Concord. The citizenry were warned by a fellow named Paul Revere.

Remember where your freedoms were earned. Remember who earned them. Realize they were people not unlike yourself.

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Not bad, but you left the trail a bit when you talked about them being mad at Obama...they are focusing their anger and lawlessness against businesses; not the government that screwed them and created this mess.  They are being uses by the likes of piven and ayers to further the socialist cause; aided and abetted by the very government officials that helped create this mess.  In addition, the MSM is complicit in the situation along with the major unions that are getting ready to join in.



They are not 99%, they're the useful idiots for those attempting to overthrow our form of government and create the next socialist utopia.  And they think it's a good thing because that is what they have been taught.  Nevermind the millions that usually die when the socialists get into power...usually by starting to clear out the useful idiots that got them there.

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Who was the person saying they needed another Kent state? And why does that come to mind with another article about audio taken from the event when analyzed determined the first shot fired at kent state university was from a .380 handgun...

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Unalienable Rights are Rights granted by the Creator and cannot be given up or taken.
Inalienable Rights are Rights that you can give up or forfeit.

The only problem is, If the Gov't doesn't recognize a Creator then Unalienable doesn't exist.