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Posted: 6/11/2002 4:07:30 AM EDT
Bombing Israeli school buses! What a piece of work these folks are! [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020611/capt.1023795417.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl802.jpg[/img] [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020611/capt.1023795380.mideast_israel_palestinians_jrl801.jpg[/img] Caption: Israeli paramedics evacuate a wounded Israeli on a stretcher to Hadasa hospital in Jerusalem Tuesday June 11, 2002. A bomb exploded near a road outside Hebron on Tuesday, injuring three Israeli teen-agers preparing to board a bus after picking olives. (AP Photo/Zoom 77) [size=4]THREE ISRAELI TEENS WOUNDED IN HEBRON-AREA EXPLOSION[/size=4] By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH Jun. 11, 2002 A bomb exploded Tuesday at a farm in the Hebron area of the West Bank, wounding three Israeli 15-year-old boys, one of them seriously. The teens were with a group of about 50 students from a yeshiva high school in Kiryat Arba visiting a nearby farm called Sdeh Calev. They were walking back to a bus after going cherry picking in an orchard late Tuesday morning, and were near the farm gate when the bomb went off, witnesses said. A Palestinian youth was spotted setting down a plastic bag at the site shortly before the explosion, they added. Menachem Livne, the owner of the farm, said a number of students were already on the armored bus when the attack occurred. The wounded were rushed by helicopter to Jerusalem's Hadassah-University Hospital, Ein Karem, where one boy was listed in serious condition. The other two were wounded moderately, officials said. Soldiers and police fanned out in a search of suspects in the area, near the Palestinian village of Bani Naim. See article at:[url]http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1023716454784[/url] Eric The([u]Whose[/u]SideAreYouOn?)Hun[>]:)]
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You got that right, [b]Osprey21![/b] Eric The(Pizzed)Hun[>]:)]
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[Last Edit: 6/11/2002 7:42:34 AM EDT by satcong]
[b]If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel. [/b]
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:48:23 AM EDT
[b]satcong[/b], Son, you are a genius with words! It's so obvious, yet no one sees it that way at all! Eric The(Well,MaybeAFewOfUs)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:49:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: [b]If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel. [/b]
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How very, very true.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 12:03:52 PM EDT
The best two lines I've ever read on what it's all about over there. My hat is off to you.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 2:53:20 PM EDT
Wow! Where did you get that Osprey? Did you make it or did you get it off of someone elses website? Its cool.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 2:56:39 PM EDT
And yet there are Palestinian sympathizers in this country and on this board. Sad, isn't it.
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Originally Posted By satcong: If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel. [/b]
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And that matters to Americans why? Serious question. Can anyone tell me? Rhodesia is gone, because they put down their weapons. Did anyone care? The old South Africa is gone, because they put down their weapons. Why do you care what happens to a small country in the Middle East? If it's from sort of altruistic need to protect human life and end suffering/injustice, well, there are a hell of a lot of other countries on Earth who make the Israeli/Pali mess look minor. Why don't you care about them as much? Israel(or the lack thereof) isn't my problem. Palestine(or the lack thereof) isn't my problem. When did we become the World's policemen?
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 6:06:46 PM EDT
Rhodesia is gone, and the white Rhodesians either stayed on under the new government or left and went somewhere else. The old South Africa is gone and white South Africans either moved somewhere else or stayed on. If Israel goes, Israelis won't get the option to stay on, and may not even get the option to leave---alive. That's one difference. There are others, but I think I'll let Eric the Hun lay some more of them out for you.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 6:41:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shamayim: Rhodesia is gone, and the white Rhodesians either stayed on under the new government or left and went somewhere else. The old South Africa is gone and white South Africans either moved somewhere else or stayed on. If Israel goes, Israelis won't get the option to stay on, and may not even get the option to leave---alive. That's one difference. There are others, but I think I'll let Eric the Hun lay some more of them out for you.
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That doesn't deal with my question in the least. By the way, have you seen what's happening in Zimbabwe/SA lately? Makes the Israeli/Pali mess look tame. Yet we never see it on the news. But lets deal with the original question.
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The legman said it. Starting in 1945 we became the world's policeman, and if we hadn't, we'd be singing "The Internationale" at ballgames instead of "The Sar Spangled Banner". Sure, I know it's a pain in the tail sometimes, but somebody had to do it; and if it hadn't been us it would have been the Soviets. Lord knows they tried.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:29:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs:
Originally Posted By Graves14: When did we become the World's policemen?
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Where in the hell have you been for the last 60 years or so? Do you read the history books? Like it or not America is the World police for now.
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Where in the hell have you been for the last 30 years or so? Like it or not our right to keep and bear arms will be taken away. Is that justification for anti's behavior? You didn't address my primary question either.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:36:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By shamayim: The legman said it. Starting in 1945 we became the world's policeman, and if we hadn't, we'd be singing "The Internationale" at ballgames instead of "The Sar Spangled Banner". Sure, I know it's a pain in the tail sometimes, but somebody had to do it; and if it hadn't been us it would have been the Soviets. Lord knows they tried.
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The fact remains that the rest of the World isn't my problem. Feeding them, clothing them, protecting them, making them feel good about themselves, etc. That goes for the entire World. Smacks of socialism to me. Anyone want to tackle the original question?
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Originally Posted By ilikelegs: If I drove a Bulldozer in Israel I would stamp a house on the side of mine to show how many I knocked down.
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Hahaha.
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:53:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: As far as the guns taken away from us, well that will start the next American Revolution. The answer to your first question can be answered on garandmans thread about isolationism... You can drill back a few pages and find it for yourself. Its kinda a dead horse right now since your jumping in on it so late. No offense.
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Since it's obvious you aren't going to answer the question, I have another one for you. A few in fact. When are you planning on starting this revolution? When they ban "assault rifles" or are you planning to wait until all you have left is a single shot .410? Also, what do you plan to do with all the people in this country who are anti-gun?
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 7:55:05 PM EDT
Christ, she looks like my niece. [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020611/capt.1023836826.israel_mideast_palestinians_jrl814.jpg[/img] 15-year-old Hadar Herskovitz poses in an undated family handout photo. Herskovitz died from wounds she suffered after a Palestinian suicide bombing in the city of Herzliya, just north of Tel Aviv, Tuesday June 11, 2002. The bomber killed himself and Herkovitz and injured at least 8 others. (AP Photo/HO)
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Thumbhole [img]http://www.nypost.com/photos/web06050208.jpg[/img] Carnegie Deli shooting survivor Rosemond Dane leaves court yesterday after identifying the shooters. [img]http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2002-04/2944788.jpg[/img] Murderer Sean Salley June 4, 2002 -- Carnegie Deli massacre jurors viewed grainy surveillance-video photos yesterday that prosecutors say show the two killers slowly climbing the stairs toward their prey, then dashing back down again six minutes later Salley admits he was there for the bloodbath, but, contrary to a police confession, claims he was forced into it. With the problems our country faces, I don't have the desire or time to worry about Israel's. Why don't we clean up our own backyard first?
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:15:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Graves14: And that matters to Americans why? Serious question. Can anyone tell me? Why do you care what happens to a small country in the Middle East? When did we become the World's policemen?
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Officer:> “I pulled you over because you were speeding.” Speeder:> “WHAT?!?!? I’m only going as fast as all these other cars!!! Look at them! They are all going even faster than I was! Why don’t you pull THEM over?!?!?” Officer:> “I‘m only one officer, and I can only handle one speeder at a time. Right now, that is you.” "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; The courage to change the things I can; And the wisdom to know the difference." We care because you, my friend, are a minority. --LS
Link Posted: 6/11/2002 8:17:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ilikelegs: Here, knock yourself out. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=123669[/url] Read it yourself and you can find many answer's to your so calle "original Question" Since you can't drill back and find it yourself.
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I said my primary question, not my oh so original question. There's a difference.
And who the fuck said I was gonna start the revolution. If you can read, I said that "IT" would start the next Revolution. As in the gubment banning guns...
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Didn't you say this not 30 minutes ago? "As far as the guns taken away from [b]us[/b], well that will start the next American Revolution." Are you not including yourself in "us" anymore? "It" will start it? The guns are going to get up and start the "revolution" by themselves? I'll be damned, the antis were right...guns do kill people by themselves.
And the anti gunners won't be a problem, They don't have guns.
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Mind elaborating? I asked what you plan to do with them, not some vague threat. Are you going to round them up and shoot them? Re-educate them?
Now beat it !
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Didn't you reply in response to my question first? Who forced you to do that? If you're unable to answer my questions then just don't reply.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 5:17:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: [b]If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel. [/b]
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Amen to that. You're right on the money.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 5:33:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By satcong: [b]If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel. [/b]
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Brilliant!
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 8:34:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Graves14: And that matters to Americans why? Serious question. Can anyone tell me? Rhodesia is gone, because they put down their weapons. Did anyone care? The old South Africa is gone, because they put down their weapons. Why do you care what happens to a small country in the Middle East? If it's from sort of altruistic need to protect human life and end suffering/injustice, well, there are a hell of a lot of other countries on Earth who make the Israeli/Pali mess look minor. Why don't you care about them as much?
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Graves, I understand what you are trying to say about Zim and etc. I just wanted you to know that I personally had (until sept 11) been shouting about Zim and the attacks on farmers, etc. quite a few times...matter of fact it was on a Zim thread that I first met with Eric the Hun. I felt for those people every single time a farmer and his family were attacked, etc. I had to go looking for that news...mostly at the Daily Mail and Gaurdian web site. Doesn't matter where injustice happens. Injustice is wrong. We have the power to stop it.
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=104615[/url]
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 8:38:37 AM EDT
I'm curious. What if there is no Israel? Are there deep social, political or economic ramifications to the well being of the United States? Through out history, nations and states have come, gone or have transformed to something else. Why would Israel or any other state or region be granted "permanent" status.
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Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:04:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hawkeye1: Israel is fighting the exact same terrorist as us. .
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Uhhhhh, hate to disagree but.... Can anyone show me where al Queda has attacked Israel??? Or where Israel has attacked al Queda??? Something more evidentiary than "OF COURSE they are the same terrorists." If there is one altruism among Arabs, its that they are NOT monolithic. They hate each other as much as they hate everyone else.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 10:23:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By satcong: If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel.
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Well if a meteor hit the earth and killed all life, there would be no more violence too. Does that make it good? The reality is that is Palestinians put down their weapons, they would become second class citizens to Israeli's and they would lose the chance to decide the future of their own country and be controlled by a government that does not reflect its people. How would you have liked it if the Vietcong got to choose your government during the Vietnam war? Doesn't sound so great to you now does it? Fact of the matter is that neither thing is going to happened. And your idiots if you think that only Palestinians launch terrorist attacks. The reality is that your stupid media doesn't shut the fuck up about Israel and Palestine when there are millions more important things happening around the world and millions more people being executed and murdered. Thank God Almost all the media is owned by Jews with families in Jewrael, or all of you would have to realize there are more pressing matters going on across the world.
Link Posted: 6/13/2002 1:17:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Scarecrow: Well if a meteor hit the earth and killed all life, there would be no more violence too. Does that make it good? The reality is that is Palestinians put down their weapons, they would become second class citizens to Israeli's and they would lose the chance to decide the future of their own country and be controlled by a government that does not reflect its people. How would you have liked it if the Vietcong got to choose your government during the Vietnam war? Doesn't sound so great to you now does it? Fact of the matter is that neither thing is going to happened. And your idiots if you think that only Palestinians launch terrorist attacks. The reality is that your stupid media doesn't shut the fuck up about Israel and Palestine when there are millions more important things happening around the world and millions more people being executed and murdered. Thank God Almost all the media is owned by Jews with families in Jewrael, or all of you would have to realize there are more pressing matters going on across the world.
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No, aren't only Palestinian: Hezbollah funded by Iran, FPLP by Syria, that is in this moment the president of the UN Security Council (and this is a further evidence that UN should be reformed or dismantled, because the benefit of this elephant organization are less then the huge costs... ). Al Quaeda, just before intifada broke out, was refuelling and supporting Hamas and Jihad... btw, to the Palestinians was given the opportunity to have their own state no more than two years ago. They trashed in the water closet the opportunity for the questionable honour to get with violence what they wanted. Why there is Israel? Because there are people like you. No state is eternal? You're right. Israel could not last forever. But this can happen also to Canada... Shalom...
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