Israeli Defense Forces eliminate the last family member of a suicide bomber.

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Wow, comparing the Israelis to the Nazis.
How original.

Watch what happens when there are "suicide bombings" here, on the ground, and in crowded places.

Those who have been marching in the streets, praising Hamas and Hezbollah (you know, the allies of Hamas, the guys who killed 241 Marines?), they will have some problems.

Just watch.
We'll see mobs, burning Mosques, wrath.

Exactly. Any Palestinian not working to stop the violence is giving the violence his or her tacit approval, and therefore condones it. That makes every one of them the enemy of Israel. Whether the Palestinians are [b]our[/b] enemies is irrelevant - [b]we[/b] aren't the ones who'd be killing them. Israel would be doing that, and the Palestinians are definitely their enemies.


WRT to ckapsl's comments on the India-Pakistan conflict, my thought is: Who cares? Will the world be worse off if they kill a couple hundred thousand of each other? I mean, it's not like one of them will grow up to find the cure for cancer, HIV, or herpes. An Indian or Pakistani isn't going to be the one who makes the technological breakthrough that results in cold fusion becoming a reality, safe and fast interplanetary or interstellar travel, etc. All they do is use up our rapidly dwindling resources and give nothing in return. They're basically welfare bitches popping out a kid every year, but on a global scale. I don't hate any of them (not even the rude smelly ones at convenience stores) but let's face it - if Scotty was to beam every last Indian and Pakistani off the Earth while we slept tonight, none of us would wake up tomorrow and wonder how we'd manage to survive without them.

If this is your honest opinion, you are ignorant in the extreme.

Have you ever worked with a Indian or a Pakistani??

I have, and they were BOTH VERY VERY brilliant people. And put Americans to SHAME with their work ethic.

Been to the hospital lately? Indians / Pakistanis FAR overrepresent their US population in their # of doctors , even specialists, in the medical profession.

Pal, yer an ass.

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Agreed, most GOOD doctors that I've seen recently were Indians.  They go to the better schools.  I was looking for a new doctor, and went online to check resumes.   ALL, not most, but ALL of the Doctors with "normal", American sounding names graduated from foreign Med Schools (Guadalahara, Greneda, Genoa, and my favorite... "Number One Medical School" in Taiwan). The Docs with names that I couldn't pronounce, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, U Penn, Yale etc..

If they nuke each other, the economy is fucked.

Well, considering that the topic was started by ckapsl and concerned Indians and Pakistanis in India and Pakistan - you know, the place where they're about to go nuclear - I fail to see the relevance in mentioning Indians and Pakistanis who are US citizens. I've worked with 1st or 2nd generation immigrants from "welfare nations" while in the army and the fact that they worked their asses off doesn't change the fact that their countries of origin are bottomless pits into which resources are dumped with no return forthcoming. Now, if you have anything to disprove my assertions about the warring countries, then by all means provide it. But, if not, then, pal, yer an ass who doesn't understand "context."

You do realize that's most likely a jew at the end of the barrel, right? The Israelis are a civilized people under constant attack. They can show no signs of weakness or the savages that surrond them will go into a blood frenzy and attack. Put yourself in their shoes. What would you have them do?

Actually, what they give or do not give to civilization is not really relevant to me in this discussion (although Cinc. and Garandman are doing a fine job of showing you otherwise).  You have precisely highlighted my point:  does the prospect of hundreds of thousands of human beings being killed in a senseless war give you any twinge at all?  Yes, it isn't your fault or your doing, but would you watch it on TV just like a commercial?

To be fair, you are not actively looking forward to their conflict, but some of us, sad to say, have in fact been doing so.  And that is my point:  that when we are willing to so easily dehumanize millions of other human beings in the aggregate, perhaps it says something about our individual humanity.

War is still a necessary business, but to take joy in the prospect of war and killing is not.

Indian and pakistani doctors, like the Indian and Pakistani computer system designers I worked with [size=6]COME FROM INDIA AND PAKISTAN, GENIUS. [/SIZE=6]

And the ones I worked with BOTH had families back in India and pakistan, whom they visited regularly. I suppose it would be OK with you if they and their families were killed off in a nuke war???

In ANY context, what you posted about "killing off a few hundred thousdand of them" is barbaric and idiotic. Don't try to weasel out of a STUPID comment by citing "context. "

Just say "ooops" -  then shut it.

ipsc -

It what is commonly referred to as IRONY.

Its DEFINITELY a jew about to be "capped" by a gutless, murdering nazi, in the pic above.

Now, in the article above, we have a jew advocating doing the same to Palestinians. Only this time, its the Isralis holding that Wather / Luger.

"I love it, God help me, I love it so!"
~ Patton

Whatever....
I've got a grip. You can nit-pick everything I say, big deal. It won't change my mind.
These people will never stop the violence.
They are like a pitbull gone mad, time to put it down.

ck -

Not to pick nits, but the whole reason people feel no [b]"twinge"[/b] at [b]"the prospect of hundreds of thousands of human beings being killed in a senseless war" [/b]  IS BECAUSE they are ignorant of  [b]"what they give or do not give to civilization."[/b]

They are intimately intertwined.

First, marginalize them as being of little worth, then advocate (or tolerate) their genocide. Its a proven methodology thru ALL of human history.

When I said there are no civilians in war that goes for Israeli civilians too. No side is more in the right then the other, they are so far off in the wrong the only way to fix the situation is if they both died.

Israel and Palestine deserve eachother.

Yeah, but you weren't advocating the removal of the GOVERNEMNTS of those countries, you were apathetic to the slaughter of "hundreds of thousands" of Pakistani and Indian INDIVIDUALS, whom I have ALREADY shown are adding value to mankind.

If you got a problem with warring countries, FINE. Deal with the COUNTRIES. But to be so cold-hearted to the slaughter of pakistani / Indian INDIVIDUALS doesn't say much for you.

Remind me to never ask you for a helping hand up from a repressive gov't.

Actually, it does, just like the thought of all the Iraqi families whose fathers, sons, husbands, etc, weren't going to come back did. But, that's war, and when you start a war knowing the US will get involved you gotta expect that to happen. You wanna bet that [b]if[/b] India and Pakistan exchange nukes, it'll be the [b]last[/b] war they get into, just because of the cost to them?

I just don't see where it's in our national interests for them to NOT have a war. Pakistan hasn't really been a strategic partner to the US since Benazir Bhutto was assassinated and India never was. More Pakistanis are on al-Qaeda's side than are on ours, and if it wasn't for the US gov't breathing down their necks they'd be giving medals to Daniel Pearl's murderers. India? India never has been a strategic partner, and never will be due to an overinflated sense of her own worth. Yes, it would be nice to have a nation with enough people to go toe-to-toe with the PRC as one of our friends, but India would demand too much from the relationship and give too little in return (some people will say that Israel does the same thing, but Israel [b]did[/b] sit back and let SCUDs fall on her without retaliating, all because we asked her to.) She's not exactly politically stable, either, what with the Sikhs and the Tamils - it wouldn't take a lot for them to go the way of Somoza's Nicaragua.

Maybe, but it would probably work. Screw 'em.

Besides, they don't seem to be too heartbroken when our kids are slaughtered. Why should we have to fight with one arm tied behind our backs?

Flame on...

I'm not going to jump for joy and dance in the street if this happens, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either. "Shit happens" as they say.



It's not [b]my[/b] problem that you took a comment directed at India and Pakistan and expanded it to include US citizens of Indian and Pakistani descent. If that's not taking something out of context, I don't know what is. What's next on your agenda - cruising the BHD threads and when someone says "that movie made me so angry! I wanted to wipe Somalia off the face of the earth while watching it!" you'll accuse them of advocating the killings of American blacks of Somali descent?

Exactly. The way I see it, once we have exterminated these vermin like then rats they are, and so totally petrified their supporters that the very thought of striking at us would get the thought-producer stoned in the public square, THEN we will be able to turn our morality upon ourselves and hold judgement. The trick is, we have to be ALIVE and FREE to do so.

I guarantee you that Osama, Arafat, and all the rest don't loose a wink of sleep worrying about our innocent children dying of smallpox, radiation sickness, bullets, or collapsing buildings. Why should we give a damn about them?

I'm sorry, but my empathy generator was permanently disconnected on 11 September, and my revenge meter has been running pegged to the fu**ing max.

Aren't countries made up of [b]individuals[/b]? In order to deal with a country, don't you have to deal with that country's [b]individuals[/b]? There's a reason that people in Pakistan are called Pakistanis, people in India are called Indians, and people in America are called Americans - they [b]are[/b] their countries.

I'm still trying to figure out how one would destroy an enemy "country" without harming its "people." Perhaps you go in and destroy every building in the country, burn the crops, and kill the herds? No, then the people would still be angry at you...looks like you gotta kill the people instead.

Who said the people I am talking about are US citizens?

I didn't. In fact, I'm pretty sure the people I'm talking about weren't. So, YES, when you talk about it being OK for "hundreds of thousands"  of Indians and Pakistanis to be killed in nuke war, many of whom are doctors, medical specialists, and computer system designers, I'll take exception to that.

And when you talk about these very people whom I have had EXTENDED PERSONAL contact with as if they are worthless, ignorant chattel, I take exception to that, and it shows me you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. That your mouth is ahead of your brain.



So, are you saying that when Hitler killed himself, and Germany surrendered, we should have gone ahead and killed all those German individuals??? I mean a country is its individuals, right??

You are thinking too American. The poeples of Germany, Pakistan and India have as much control over their gov'ts as you have over the price of gasoline. They are the victims of totalitarian regimes, and you could care lesss if they die by the hundreds of thousands.

Still, all this is irrelevant. Bottom line is this - you are the type of person who sees no problem with "hundreds of thousands" dying in a nuclear war. I thought *** I*** was pretty hard hearted, but you make me look like Mother Theresa.

Your standard was "they won't cure cancer, or HIV "so who cares if they die by the hundreds of thousands. Well, genius, neither will you cure cancer. OK if you and your family (and other non-cancer curers ) die by the hundreds of thoudsands???

And unless you wish to amend your statement about it being OK for the Indian and Pakistani doctors and computer systems designers to die in nuke war, WE'RE DONE HERE. Stated another way, either admit you made a stupid comment, or this conversation is over (for me anyway)

I agree completely.  Let's just set morality on the back burner for a bit, and clean up shop.  Carpet bomb them all.  Make Mecca as pock-marked by GBUs as the moon is from asteroids.  Make the Islamic fundies go to threatcon brown.

Give them a taste of their own medicine.  If they can indiscriminantly blow themselves and innocent bystanders up, let them see how [b]WE[/b] can steel our resolve.

Before September 11th, I was getting my empathy generator in good working order - kinda happens when you are in a relationship.  That morning, it closed operations indefinitely.

Don't know if "revenge" is the right word for it or not, but for sake of consistency, my revenge meter goes to 11.

the_reject

You are probably right, g'man.

Thanks, Reject, for backing me up on what I am sure we both agree is a regrettable, yet fully justified, position.

As though I needed anything more to back me up, I just stumbled across this little gem on FoxNews.com:

[b][i]An ominous new threat against the U.S. appears on a Web site and claims to be from an Al Qaeda spokesman.


It says the U.S. has killed thousands of people in Iraq, the Palestinian territories, Afghanistan, and other places.

And so, it reads: "We have the right to kill four million Americans, including one million children," and it says, "we have the right to fight them by chemical and biological weapons so they catch the fatal and unusual diseases Muslims have caught due to U.S. chemical and biological weapons."[/b][/i]

To read it yourself: [url]www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,54868,00.html[/url]

So, it seems that they don't mind slaughtering us. [b]Even our children.[/b] I submit its bloody well time we "do unto them" before they "do unto us".

And seeing as they already "did unto us" on 11 September, it seems to me that it's now [b]our[/b] turn, and that we should make them suffer so terribly that fear of the United States will be irrevocably burned into their basic genetic code. Seems to me they need something of quality in there, anyway.

I'm right with you USNA91.

The Isreali-Nazi analogy would require that many Jews went around before the holocaust with bombs strapped around them to kill innocent Nazis. The analogy does not work.