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Posted: 5/28/2002 11:44:02 PM EDT
[url]www.boulderweekly.com/incaseyoumissedit.html[/url] When the jury in the Judi Bari trial requested copies of the First and Fourth Amendments this week, the FBI showed its true stripes by objecting. The jury asked for copies of the amendments to the U.S. Constitution to consider during deliberation, but Department of Justice council attorney Joseph Sher and City of Oakland attorney Marie Bee asked the judge not to grant their request. The judge overruled the motion to oppose and read those amendments to the jury, but did not give the jury an actual copy of those amendments for them to return to the deliberation room. Why would the FBI, a federal agency governed by the Constitution and its amendments, object to the jury having access to the law of the land? Perhaps because the FBI so often violates the Constitution. "Their agents obviously haven't read the Constitution, so why would they want anyone else looking at it?" said Darryl Cherney, co-plaintiff in the civil rights lawsuit, now in its sixth week. Four FBI agents and three Oakland police officers are on trial for allegedly denying equal protection under the law to Bari and Cherney, who were nearly killed when a bomb exploded in Bari's car. The FBI named the two as the primary suspects in the case, failing to follow up on leads and death threats Bari had received prior to the bombing. The lawsuit also alleges the FBI and police used the bombing to begin a smear campaign against Bari and Cherney, characterizing them as terrorists. The two were organizing for Redwood Summer at the time of the bombing. ------------- Fast track to hell A bill before the U.S. Senate is so far-reaching that it could impact the lives of every American. The bill would cede to the U.S. president the ability to negotiate trade agreements, or fast track authority. "In order for me to be effective on trade, I need trade promotion authority," President Bush told reporters. "I need the ability to speak with a single voice for our country." Labor groups oppose fast track authority because it will almost assuredly send U.S. jobs overseas. Human-rights groups oppose it because it will erode workers' rights at home and promote the abuse of children as virtual slave labor abroad. Environmental groups oppose it because it will allow U.S. companies to evade environmental laws by moving operations to countries without laws. Yeah, yeah. That's all terrible. But here's what's scarier: Bush thinking he's speaking on behalf of all Americans "in a single voice." A forked tongue is more like it.
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 12:18:03 AM EDT
I'm pretty sure Bush has never read the Constitution. Lord Commander Ashcroft seems to have even more of a selective memory. The Democrats lean towards socialism.. It appears the Bush administration leans towards.... Monarchy. I will never vote for the 'lesser of two evils' again. I will vote my conscience.
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 12:34:16 AM EDT
[img]http://www.bushfordummies.com/images/Bush-Hussein.jpg[/img] [b]"You're either with us or against us" — G. W. Bush (Source: CNN) [/b]
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:18:35 PM EDT
Whenever I see two politicians standing in a line like that I think about the movie "Quigly Down Under".
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:26:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stealth: I'm pretty sure Bush has never read the Constitution. Lord Commander Ashcroft seems to have even more of a selective memory. The Democrats lean towards socialism.. It appears the Bush administration leans towards.... Monarchy. I will never vote for the 'lesser of two evils' again. I will vote my conscience.
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And what would your conscience have dictated in the last presidential election?
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:45:36 PM EDT
Hey, Al Gore donned a flannel shirt when he was in the Northwest trying to gather votes... he must be a good guy ;)
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:49:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlClenin: Whenever I see two politicians standing in a line like that I think about the movie "Quigly Down Under".
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That's a great movie. I should buy the DVD.
Link Posted: 5/29/2002 3:57:56 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/30/2002 5:33:47 AM EDT
[img]http://www.bushspeaks.com/images/bush_burns_constitution.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 5:37:50 AM EDT
Yep ! We are screwed.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 6:18:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stealth: I'm pretty sure Bush has never read the Constitution. Lord Commander Ashcroft seems to have even more of a selective memory. The Democrats lean towards socialism.. It appears the Bush administration leans towards.... Monarchy. I will never vote for the 'lesser of two evils' again. I will vote my conscience.
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A vote of conscience is [b]never[/b] a "wasted" vote.. While I vehemently disagree with the politics of the plaintiffs in this case, if the govt. can do it to them, they can, (and will), do it to others..... Soon any who disagree with our elected "monarchs" and their appointees will be labeled "terrorists". We are already labeled "anti-government". This is why the govt. has greatly expanded it's power since 9/11. Now we are learning, (like us "wackos" have been saying all along), that 9/11 probably could have been prevented. Perhaps if our govt. was not so focused on domestic dissenters, and more on their legitimate functions we could have saved some lives....
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 6:21:34 AM EDT
Quigley Down Under: DVD at Wal-Mart $9.95 Always.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 6:24:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/30/2002 6:25:08 AM EDT by The_Macallan]
Originally Posted By Stealth: I will never vote for the 'lesser of two evils' again. I will vote my conscience.
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And you will then get the greater of two evils. ...and even LESS of a chance to vote your conscience the next time.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 6:41:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 6:52:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Guys, this thread is, at best, incoherent and silly.
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As opposed to the rational and serious thread about "Wilma vs Betty: Who's Hotter"? [:D]
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 7:04:11 AM EDT
That's why I became a Libertarian.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 7:18:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 4:54:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Originally Posted By SOF1: That's why I became a Libertarian.
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So you are part of the organized campaign this fall to assist the DemocRATs in re-taking the House of Representatives that is being waged by the Lib Party?!! [i]Vive la liberte![/i]
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Why do GOP sheeple blame others for the faults of their own party? Vive la REPUBLICRAT!
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 5:17:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
Originally Posted By Stealth: I will never vote for the 'lesser of two evils' again. I will vote my conscience.
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And you will then get the greater of two evils. ...and even LESS of a chance to vote your conscience the next time.
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Define "greater". Sure, from a strictly 2nd amendment perspective (which many AR15.com'ers hold), Al Gore was Satan. We did get the lesser of two evils. From a 4th, 5th, or 1st amendment perspective, we also got Satan. We got the greater of two evils. I like all amendments the same; don't fuck with any of them. --------- And to all "lesser of two evil" voters: WHEN do we vote our conscience? When can we stop voting "just so the other guy loses"? Never? Do we just keep voting for the duopoly, and screwing ourselves, just so we can keep saying "Sure, its bad now, but it would have been worse if [insert name] would have won."? I don't see an end in sight to this strategy, other than a road to the end of this Republic...a road just as straight and sure as the other.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 5:18:26 PM EDT
the gov't has always objected to the Constitution.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 5:23:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 7:19:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Acheron: Quigley Down Under: DVD at Wal-Mart $9.95 Always.
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Not always. Saw it for 9.44 at the walmart here.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 9:17:46 PM EDT
beekeeper Is it a coincidence that one of the words in the final round of the Nat. Spelling Bee tonight was "stultiloquence" (silly talk)? I don't think so. Maybe it's hard to maintain when the Pakis and the Indians are rattling nuclear sabres.
Link Posted: 5/30/2002 9:46:46 PM EDT
Scarecrow certainly has it right. Didn't anyone notice in today's read how the FBI has now been given a greater leniency/authority in/during their investigations? Now, aside from not only peeking into our bedrooms... they can go up our shorts too. 911 is turning into nothing but an excuse for big brother to erode but a few more of our liberties. All politicians are corporate whores. Just my .02 W
Link Posted: 5/31/2002 12:53:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JAFO: Hey, Al Gore donned a flannel shirt when he was in the Northwest trying to gather votes... he must be a good guy ;)
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All he needs now are shorts and he can appeal to the grunge crowd, albeit 10 years late.
Link Posted: 5/31/2002 12:58:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By stubbs: I like all amendments the same; don't fuck with any of them.
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As long as you don't include the 18th in that list, I'm with you. [beer]
Link Posted: 5/31/2002 1:14:45 AM EDT
What me worry? [img]http://www.redandgreen.org/photos/ballots/bushwhatmeworry.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/31/2002 5:42:57 AM EDT
FBI.....isn't that the same agency that just grabbed more power / ability to snoop on US Citizens?
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