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Posted: 5/26/2002 6:26:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2002 6:03:26 PM EDT by ColtM4]
Just finished watching the HBO special on 9/11 I am seething with anger , who allowed these f**king assholes to do this ? The bleeding heart congress who have handcuffed our Intell community for the last 25 years ? The ticket punching politically correct , career driven snivelling cowards in the FBI and CIA who were ( and continue to be ) afraid to speak up for fear of possibliy sounding like a trouble maker ? These are the same PC agents who are now at the top of these agencies and are reassuring us that they are on the job. That f**king BULLSHIT. I have O confidence in these inept cowardly agencies , especially the FBI !!!! I am wrong here ? Poll added
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Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:35:45 PM EDT
yes we do need to find where the problem was, and fix it, but not in an angry rage of blame. we dont need to see who is at fault in an angry way, because this will only cause chaos and in America i belive we need to unite. though everyone is mad about the 9/11 attacks, as they should be, assigning blame out of spite or anger is not a good idea. we do need to find the problem and fix it, but bitching about it wont help. just my $.02
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:42:53 PM EDT
we need a good ole public lynchin' for those who thought that "...and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States" (~) was a token statement used to obtain a gov'ment job instead of an Oath and who chose to 'look the other way' or its equivilant.
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:44:00 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:49:30 PM EDT
It was always believed that a major attack by terrorists was gonna happen. Just where and when wasn't known. This goes back a lot of years. Starting from the end of the Gulf War. We can expect more attacks as long the terrorists are willing to kill. Has anyone seen this? [url]www.tuppersaussy.com/HTMFILES/Annu20.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 5/26/2002 6:55:49 PM EDT
How many of us would have put up with all the increased airport "security" had it been implemented in the pre-9/11 days? Everyone wants to point fingers, but from the sounds of it, there were nothing more than generic threats against us. Heck, in the past week (since the backlash of blame over the "ignored 9/11 warnings,"), how many vague terror threats have been made known? New York landmarks, scuba divers, apartments and small planes - probably the same warnings we received before. In some ways, I think the terrorists have actually won at least some small battles. Every day I read newspaper articles that quote people who are afraid to fly or afraid to visit the Brooklyn bridge because of threats. I think this is a major thing that terrorism tries to accomplish. Something that will be interesting to hear in the upcoming years (assuming we are ever told about it) will be the actual terrorist acts that the government is "preventing" right now. Of course, it could turn out to be nothing too, I suppose.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 11:37:02 AM EDT
Read David Horowitz's essay on this subject at wwwfrontpage.com (if that's not correct search for frontpage magazine)
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 11:39:00 AM EDT
The whole system!
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 11:45:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2002 11:47:56 AM EDT by sgtar15]
9-11 was a tragic event. But shit happens!!! We do not yet live in an all loving kind and wonderful world. Government can not protect us from everything. Place your blame where it squarly belongs...on the terrorist themselves!!! Blaming any one else is the same as blaming a gun maker for a shooting. Sgtar15
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 11:54:05 AM EDT
I just hope that things like in Dick Marchinko's novels is going on. The rag heads are getting waxed behind the scenes.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 12:13:13 PM EDT
Blame the terrorists for trying it in the first place. Blame the government for restricting self-defense and then telling us that they will protect us when they can't. Blame the people for believing them and allowing them to do it.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 1:05:34 PM EDT
I am one American who is tired of blaming everyone but the responsible party for issues. I am tired of the buck passing. I am all for personal responsibility. The captain of the ship that was attacked in Yemen is the ONE who is ultimately responsibile for that ships security. Men died, he shoulda walked the plank..... The NSA is the ONE who is ultimately responsibile for 9/11. Yes, Condoleeza Rice. I think she may be brilliant, smart, blah, blah , blah. BUT she is the National Security Advisor, and National Security was breached. Sorry Condy, but GW shoulda fired your ass.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 1:27:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet: The NSA is the ONE who is ultimately responsibile for 9/11. Yes, Condoleeza Rice. I think she may be brilliant, smart, blah, blah , blah. BUT she is the National Security Advisor, and National Security was breached. Sorry Condy, but GW shoulda fired your ass.
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NO, the terrorists were ultimately responsible for 9/11, no one else.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 2:10:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 3:29:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG: NO, the terrorists were ultimately responsible for 9/11, no one else.
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No flame intended but I disagree...... If you get in my house and cause kaos, you may be the aggressor, but my lack of security and failure to control my situation is my fault. I guess it depends on if you can accept personal culpability or wish to blame others for your lot in life. While I am confident(OBL & gang) commited the deeds, we have personal issues that need addressed. We [b]ALL KNEW[/b] our airline security is/was a joke. Even post 9/11 it is [b]STILL[/b] a joke. If ElAl can prevent hijackings, cant we? Does anyone not know the security tests are a sham? That is National security and she is the person responsibile. When KMart(RIP/KMA)went under their CEO bit the bullet, as do most leaders. This IS her cross to bear. I will not tolerate critisicm from the demokommies who had 8 yrs to do what it takes to fix problems, and I will accept no less from conservatives. She had her shot and failed.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 3:35:39 PM EDT
I think the main failure was with the FBI. For over 8 years, we've had lots of stories about the dysfunction with the FBI. with Ruby Ridge, Waco, their crime labs, et al. Seymour Hersh has a piece about how info and warnings brought to it from the FAA were processed in a timely fashion and presented to the president. Similar FAA warnings given to the FBI were basically just shuffled around and lost in the bureaucratic system. After 9/11, there were widespread complaints by regional LE agencies about the arrogance of the FBI and its unwillingness to share any information it had with them. Cooperation with the FBI is a one-way street in terms of information and respect. I think the main failing is with the FBI, with seriously needs to be reformed on the management level.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 4:06:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 5:50:02 PM EDT
Well said CavVet and Raven . What I was basically trying to say is there MUST be accountability for a persons actions or inactions in the performance of their duties. The people running the FBI and CIA cashed there checks every payday ( thanks to the american public ) w/o blinking an eye. Think about it it does'nt matter what line of work you are in , if you fail to perform there are going to be consquences. These people should not and MUST not be immune simply because they are public servants , in fact they must be held to a higher accountability because they are entrusted with the duty to protect the country.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 6:01:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ColtM4: Just finished watching the HBO special on 9/11 I am seething with anger , who allowed these f**king assholes to do this ? The bleeding heart congress who have handcuffed our Intell community for the last 25 years ? The ticket punching politically correct , career driven snivelling cowards in the FBI and CIA who were ( and continue to be ) afraid to speak up for fear of possibliy sounding like a trouble maker ? These are the same PC agents who are now at the top of these agencies and are reassuring us that they are on the job. That f**king BULLSHIT. I have O confidence in these inept cowardly agencies , especially the FBI !!!! I am wrong here ?
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No Sir, you are absolutely, 100% Pissed off! (and correct) Just remember that feeling, you may need it later. A lot of folks around have already forgotten. Fools!
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 6:03:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 6:23:29 PM EDT
I let us down there was no one to save..The finger pointing starts all the political Bull Crap. FBI, CIA, Bush, Clinton. We let it happen. We are still going to let it happen again. There is nothing anyone can do. We the people of the US allowed this to happen in Beirut, in Somalia, in Colombia, in Panama, in Africa, in Nam. Now it finally happened in our own backyard. Lets find a scapegoat. Those who voted for these people to hire the people to run the FBI CIA are the ones who let this happen. They say when you point the finger of blame there are 3 fingers pointing back. I allowed this to happen and worse of all I couldn't save anyone including my old partners.
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 6:33:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CavVet: If you get in my house and cause kaos, you may be the aggressor, but my lack of security and failure to control my situation is my fault. I guess it depends on if you can accept personal culpability or wish to blame others for your lot in life.
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Accepting personal responsibility is exactly why I blame the terrorists. No one in our government MADE them do that. Too many apologists are doing exactly the opposite of making the terrorists accepting personal culpability. They are blaming the attack on the Arabs lot in life and our actions overseas. I am not the one playing the blame game here, you and others are. The only ones I blame are the terrorists. As for the first paragraph, if I have reasonable security, or even if I have none other than my gun, the blame still lies with the bad guys. I did not make them break into my house. That crap sounds like the Democrats and socialists, saying that the bad guy was tempted by my possessions and I am wrong to keep them from him. No one makes bad people do what they do except themselves. No one here could have seen the vague warnings at the time and predicted what was going to happen, except maybe the apparent hero of some here, Billy Bob Klinton. At least that's the impression I get. If we are going to play the blame game, let's blame old Bill for not accepting Bin Laden gift wrapped when he had the chance. [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61251-2001Oct2[/url]
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 6:58:17 PM EDT
While I agree in part to Pauls and Larrys assessment, I also still disagree. I do agree that when one points, one has 3 fingers coming back at ones self. Blame? Enough to go completely around the table.... Aggressively attack any players in the attack, numero uno. They did attack and must pay. There are other players who have culpability. Determine who in fact, within our system, is responsible for our National Security before this. Do you think the ship Captain in Yemen is fautless and it is all the terrorists fault? "We were walking down the street (with our head up our...) minding our own business", and that justifies innocence on anyone in our government?
Link Posted: 5/27/2002 7:01:29 PM EDT
Billy and the rest of those damned liberals that we allowed to lead us into La La Land.. Gotta appreciate that boy's taste in cigars but he was a loser as a leader...
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