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Posted: 5/15/2002 6:47:25 PM EDT
I live in a very small town in Georgia. For the past week, Black Marine Helicopters have been circling Forsyth, Ga from 9:00 pm until 11:00 pm on "Manuevers". I went outside and could count about 15-20 of them. At least that is what the local paper says. They seem to be flying in circles at about 800-1000 feet. They just keep going round and round. Calls to the local Police Dept and sheriffs dept seem to be to no avail. What in the world could they be doing? GPSS
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:52:50 PM EDT
its called training. they do it alot.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:57:11 PM EDT
Uh oh, its SHTF time ;)
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:01:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LngBchAR15: Uh oh, its SHTF time ;)
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Only for Baghdad!
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:01:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LngBchAR15: Uh oh, its SHTF time ;)
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what is SHTF??
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:04:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC:
Originally Posted By LngBchAR15: Uh oh, its SHTF time ;)
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what is SHTF??
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Shit Hit The Fan ARH
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:05:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Citabria7GCBC: what is SHTF??
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Sh** Hits The Fan
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:06:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 7:07:26 PM EDT by Georgia-Precision]
Posted by CIT its called training. they do it alot.
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Paper says they (Marines)are from North Carolina. They are still out there flying around in circles. We live in a very small town, only have 1 or 2 crack dealers, even. Maybe they are looking for them. It is just strange. I have children in bed and they are flying just over the house.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:16:22 PM EDT
Probably just the unwitting participants in a Urban Ops Exercise.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:18:09 PM EDT
Macon, GA news reported a couple weeks ago that they would be doing training in middle GA. Some of it they said would involved roping down into parts of the city, they have warned people that it was going to happen so they don't freak out. As long as they don't rope down on my house it won't be a problem. Bill3508
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:39:52 PM EDT
I lit them up with some IR. There are about 15 of them circling out here now. Does not look like they are roping down, seem to be just flying in circles.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:41:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:46:24 PM EDT
lol you "lit them up with IR." Enlighten me as to what this means haha.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:47:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlphaBobRI:
Originally Posted By LngBchAR15: Uh oh, its SHTF time ;)
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Only for Baghdad!
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AlphaBobRI: hey, your homer pic is so cool.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:50:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Georgia-Precision: I live in a very small town in Georgia. For the past week, Black Marine Helicopters have been circling Forsyth, Ga from 9:00 pm until 11:00 pm on "Manuevers". I went outside and could count about 15-20 of them. At least that is what the local paper says. They seem to be flying in circles at about 800-1000 feet. They just keep going round and round. Calls to the local Police Dept and sheriffs dept seem to be to no avail. What in the world could they be doing? GPSS
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What kind though? Attack or utility type?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:54:44 PM EDT
Hard to tell, They keep just flying in cirlcles, not hovering or stopping. Some have lights and some are flyying with no lights on. They are pretty low. They are supposed to quit at 11:00 pm according to the paper, but they are not. I have been trying to get a pic but have not been succesful. IR= Infra Red
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:56:26 PM EDT
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I lit them up with some IR. There are about 15 of them circling out here now.
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They probably aren't roping down because some Yokel keeps illumenating them with IR. I can hear it now: "Sarg , You really think its safe down there?!" Ben
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:57:15 PM EDT
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tommy, just strip down butt ass nekid(outside) and they will go away..........lol rescue92
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 8:30:11 PM EDT
Tommy, I wouldn't worry too much about these black choppers (helos for you navy and marine guys) that are flying around the area. They do lots of urban training and this circling you mention is probably just the choppers practicing covering the guys on the ground and spotting bad guys for them. If you remember, they did the same thing in the Somalia raid. But looks like they would have learned from that experience. Could also be anti-terrorist teams practicing their trade also. Considering the threats our nation faces, I welcome this training. I'm not sure why they fly around in black helicopters so much though...what is the deal here? Is this black paint used for tactical reasons of some sort or is it actually part of some big sinister plot as the conspiracy theorists claim? Weird huh? Anyway I can imagine it would be hard to sleep in your area if you wanna go to bed early. I think the marines still use a variation of the Huey as well as Huey Cobra gunships. The popping sound made by those rotors would drown out thunder! LOL. I understand what you are going through though as far as the noise. Each Summer the state police and national guard fly helicopters in my area during marijuana eradication efforts. I don't see as many as I use to, but the UH-60 Blackhawks and OH-58 Kiowa scout choppers are now most common. They used lots of UH-1 Hueys in the early 1990's and I miss hearing those. The engine and rotor sound was so distinctive, mellow and you could hear it coming 5 minutes before the chopper came over! I guess that could also have it's disadvantages in combat but they sure sounded sweet. My favorite chopper of all time for sure.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 8:35:15 PM EDT
They finally quit right around 12. It was really loud. First time they have been around here like that.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 11:40:35 PM EDT
You want black helecopters? I got all you need! They fly them from the factory in Mesa 5 nights a week up over my house around 10 pm like clockwork. They fly them up toward Flagstaff then east over the Apache Indian Reservation, finally south back to the factory. Its called test the "Nightfighter" in the Apache helecopter. We all love them here, it's the sound of freedom. 'Cause our military uses them to kick-ass to keep us free!
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 11:57:10 PM EDT
I still love the sound of helicopters flying fast and low, as well as casually flying in circles. Consider yourself blessed. BTW... it's always a pleasure doing business with Georgia-Precision. Thanks.
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 12:10:01 AM EDT
Let us know if anyone doesn't show up in the morning....
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 3:04:09 AM EDT
I could understand some trepidation when you're not used to having that around. I would feel a bit more comfortable if they were olive drab instead of black, but that's another story. There's an Air National Guard base here in my town, and they fly F-16's several times a week. I get a real kick out of it being an aviation enthusiast. It sure is damn cool to see those things flying. It can get a bit loud from time to time, but it's always in the daylight so it's no big deal. Besides, I used to work in the landing pattern right off of O'hare airport so this seems quiet in comparison. [-=(_)=-] Mike
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 4:06:50 AM EDT
The reason Helo's fly around in circles is because if they hover and lose the main engine, they will drop out of the sky like a rock. If a helo flies in circles keeping an air speed of (not sure), it can auto-rotate to the ground upon engine failure without much major damage to the crew. This is a loose explaination at best. Maybe some helo pilot out there can elaborate more clearly on this. I know this doesn't explain why the black chopper are there but, at least you why they are flying around in circles.
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 4:49:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sniper1az: We all love them here, it's the sound of freedom. 'Cause our military uses them to kick-ass to keep us free!
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Thank you! WE gotta train and fly somewhere, but it seems like everyone always wants us to fly "somewhere else". Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 8:50:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Tommy, I wouldn't worry too much about these black choppers (helos for you navy and marine guys) that are flying around the area. They do lots of urban training and this circling you mention is probably just the choppers practicing covering the guys on the ground and spotting bad guys for them. If you remember, they did the same thing in the Somalia raid. But looks like they would have learned from that experience. Could also be anti-terrorist teams practicing their trade also. Considering the threats our nation faces, I welcome this training. I'm not sure why they fly around in black helicopters so much though...what is the deal here? Is this black paint used for tactical reasons of some sort or is it actually part of some big sinister plot as the conspiracy theorists claim? Weird huh? Anyway I can imagine it would be hard to sleep in your area if you wanna go to bed early. I think the marines still use a variation of the Huey as well as Huey Cobra gunships. The popping sound made by those rotors would drown out thunder! LOL. I understand what you are going through though as far as the noise. Each Summer the state police and national guard fly helicopters in my area during marijuana eradication efforts. I don't see as many as I use to, but the UH-60 Blackhawks and OH-58 Kiowa scout choppers are now most common. They used lots of UH-1 Hueys in the early 1990's and I miss hearing those. The engine and rotor sound was so distinctive, mellow and you could hear it coming 5 minutes before the chopper came over! I guess that could also have it's disadvantages in combat but they sure sounded sweet. My favorite chopper of all time for sure.
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The reason for black is nightops camo. the funny thing is day time camos best color for inflight is Pastel Pink! but pilots objected to flying pink planes.
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 11:09:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Georgia-Precision: Hard to tell, They keep just flying in cirlcles, not hovering or stopping. Some have lights and some are flyying with no lights on. They are pretty low. They are supposed to quit at 11:00 pm according to the paper, but they are not. I have been trying to get a pic but have not been succesful. IR= Infra Red
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Really, did you point your TV remote control at them? And press "Power"?
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 9:30:00 PM EDT
Every time Bush is in town I have military helicopters fly literally right above and past my house, very low, on their way back. I live in a suburb of Chicago so the noise was unusual in that it drowned out everything around you, even inside. About a month ago it was a pair of Cobras and just the other day when he was back in town (for a Republican fundraiser I guess) it was a pair of Apaches, Hellfires and all. Never saw them for real that close up. 'Twas wicked. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 9:49:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/20/2002 7:10:19 PM EDT
I get chopper flying over my apartment everyday. I'm sure its police chopper but I really find it annoying. Its true that I live few minutes away from the airport but I really hate chopper flying over my apartment at very slow speed as if they are spying on me with FLIR. I got nothing to hide, but rather than feeling safe, I feel violated. How about you guys? Would you feel good when there's chopper flying over your house everynite?
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 7:46:37 PM EDT
You guys suck! [b]Omaha[/b] KC-135, but sometimes you'll get a KC-135. On a really good day you see 2 KC-135s [:(]
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:06:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aviator:
Originally Posted By sniper1az: We all love them here, it's the sound of freedom. 'Cause our military uses them to kick-ass to keep us free!
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Thank you! WE gotta train and fly somewhere, but it seems like everyone always wants us to fly "somewhere else". Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
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Ummmm..... Dude...... If you assholes were flying over my house at night I'd want you to go somewhere else too. I understand the whole defending the nation/needing training thing, but if you are keeping me up at night, I'd want you the fuck out. My question is this: Why would the Marine Corps be training how to fight in an [i]American[/i] city? Our cities are [b]nothing[/b] like those that Marines, Army, Air Force, or Navy are going to encounter anywhere but here.
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:17:01 PM EDT
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i saw a cobra over my neighborhood before doing the same thing and by the time they got to my house i had my binoculars and could clearly see the pilots so i waved and the bastards didn't have the common courtesy to wave back! so i gave them the universal one finger salute
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:34:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/20/2002 8:54:32 PM EDT
You guys are gonna let us know if someone's yard or farm suddenly ends up with crop circles where the choppers were flying over?
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 12:50:17 AM EDT
Hmmmm.... I say "Don your tin hats gentlemen and ladies..." Or just go back into the house.... Your call...
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 7:55:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest: Give it a rest - these guys are here to protect your A$$ and if you can't take a little noise then buy earplugs. Though I will say yours in not the stupidest question I've heard concering Helicopter operations. In the late 80's at my Guard unit (we flew UH-1Hs) we had a call from a local asking us to use [b]"Whisper Mode"[/b] when flying near their house. After the laughter died down our Tac officer politely explained that was TV - this is REAL life (someone was watching a little too much Airwolf).
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[rolleyes] The military has [b]massive[/b] reservations that are interestingly off limits by threat of death to the people who actually own them (read: the PEOPLE), but they need to train over our houses? Me thinkest not. The "they are here to save you ass" argument is used by tyrants all the time to quiet objections to increasing military presence. I don't buy it. There is a fairly convincing argument to be made that the military is in fact training to fight expressly in this country. Sure it's only to fight terrorists [;)]. Also, streets and buildings a city does not make. I've been to Europe many times and the cities there DO NOT even come close to resembling cities in this nation. The only city that has an architecture and layout similar to European cities is D.C., but I don't see the military doing a lot of MOUT training up there.
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 8:12:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 8:13:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SNorman: Really, did you point your TV remote control at them? And press "Power"?
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He did, and oddly enough, it overloaded the helicopter's threat detection systems, causing all of the breakers to flip. This was quickly followed by turbine failure and a crash. He then quickly ducked back into his house before he could be blamed. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 8:40:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest: Yep and I've trained on some of them. However those are for conventional battlefields not cities. Like I indicated are you willing to pay the tax bill required to build a city on a base just so it can be attacked? Heck we had SF troops come to baltimore so they could practice blowing doors off in the old stadium (just before it was razed). Doing that kind of practice is expensive, so if they can save serious $$ and do it on some buildings that are due for demolition anyway.
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Hey, if you guys practiced something called [b]fiscal responsibility[/b] you might have some money for that shit. Instead, you spend huge amounts of money on things you either don't need, or could get for much less without sacrificing quality. Hell, if the military lived in the real world and had to spend like all the rest of us, it might be able to build a real city in a reserve.
Oh great military trainer & planner do you know what is needed for their training and the resources they require?
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Amendment III No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consentof the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. I don't give a flying fuck what military planners think is needed. My home and my town are off fucking limits.
Its also used by those who are training to protect freedom. Hey Freedom aint free - some people have to train to fight the badguys - others have to stop whining every time our guys need to train in real environments..
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Real environments include my home?
Uhh last time I checked - that is what makes up a city. Don't confuse architechture styles with city designs. People are similar all over the world and [i]cities tend to follow the same kind of models.[/i]
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Except.......they don't.
Actually DC was designed by a European to be VERY different from a typical European city. The wide streets in particular was done to help prevent the kind of riots Paris had seen.
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Oh no, it's nothing at all like the broad avenues of Paris, the wide streets of greater London, the expansive lanes of Berlin. Bzzzzz, Wrong, please try again.
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 8:54:54 AM EDT
This is the next new racing phenomenom. First it was stock cars and motorcycles. Then it was trucks and boats. Now helicoptors. Am I the only one that sees this? It just takes a little bit more sophisticated redneck to appreciate this sport.
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 9:08:59 AM EDT
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I live in one of the largest concentrations of military fire power in the USA. I Love the following any time and anywhere 1.Military Jet noise 2.Military Chopper noise 3.Military trucks noise 4.Hovercraft noise 5.The boom and shake from things that go boom on the arty range 6.Saying thanks to the people who kick ass and take no names. Buy em a beer when i can ? [beer] Why ? Training Training Training The person out there training has a job and I am all for helping him out. [soapbox]
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 9:41:34 AM EDT
Yes, even in Somalia they have buildings and streets. And that's where the similarity to an American city ends. The excuse that this type of training cannot be done in a secure and safe environment (and by safe environment, I mean safe to the PUBLIC as much as to the soldiers) does not hold water. The entire city of mogadishu could be recreated for a few million bucks, down the cockroaches. And considering how much land the federal government owns, it's not like they don't have a place to put it. Training over (and in) American cities is just not necessary. Yes, European cities are similar to American cities, by and large, but I'm not aware of any impending conflict in France.
Link Posted: 5/21/2002 12:32:34 PM EDT
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Forrest I farted all over myself laughing, you are a funny dude [:D] [b]P.S. Safeway has a sale on Renolds Aluminum Foil this week....[/b]
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