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Posted: 5/15/2002 9:18:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 9:21:47 AM EDT by HKer]
This new system sounds really bad ass if it actually does what the DOD says it will. [url=http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/12052002-105108-1155r .htm]Link to actual Washington Times article[/url] WASHINGTON, May 12 (UPI) -- A new ballistic technology that can fire burst rates in excess of one million rounds per minute from a 36-barrel weapon was one of the reasons Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld canceled the $11 billion Crusader artillery system. The technology is known as "Metal Storm," which is also the name of the Australian research and development company that owns it. The fastest weapons today are mechanical Gatling gun styles that can fire at the rate of some 6,000 rounds per minute. Infantry rifles average 600 rounds, which is the firing rate for a magazine of 15 to 30 rounds. Admiral Bill Owens, a retired former deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and author of "Lifting the Fog of War," a controversial book about defense modernization, is the chairman of the board of Metal Storm Ltd. With multimillion-dollar contracts, Metal Storm works closely with the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency and the Australian Defense Science and Technology Organization. Chuck Vehlow, a former general manager of the Boeing helicopter division, is the company's new chief corporate officer. Vehlow has negotiated big-ticket procurement contracts and technology licensing agreements with the Pentagon. Most of Metal Storm's work is top secret. Already under development is an "area denial weapons system," including an unmanned aerial combat vehicle that will carry twelve 40-mm mortar boxes comprising a total of 1,200 tubes, and armed with 7,200 grenades. The system's unprecedented firing capabilities can lay down a continuous 50-meter-wide carpet of grenades for about two miles, firing all its grenades simultaneously with a five-yard separation on impact. Another gun under development for a small combat aerial vehicle is multi-barreled and can fire 270 rounds onto a target in just .001 seconds without stress on the air frame or any drop in air speed. The company's advanced individual combat weapon program is destined to replace small arms throughout the western alliance, said Mike O'Dwyer, company chief executive officer. The prototypes now being developed have a dual barrel capability to fire both 20-mm and 40-mm bursting munitions and standard 5.56-mm NATO ammunition. The weapon will also fire "less-than-lethal" projectiles for riot control. The future infantry weapons hardware replacement program for Australia's small defense forces alone is estimated to be worth $700 million. Metal Storm's submachine gun will be capable of firing multiple barrel rapid-fire bursts at 45,000 rounds per minute per barrel. The technology is 100 percent electronic. Its electronically variable rate of fire has been confirmed to one million rounds per minute.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:19:35 AM EDT
The technology allows barrels to be grouped in any configuration required for a particular application because it has no moving parts, no separate magazine, no ammunition feed or ejection system. The only moving parts in this revolutionary ballistic technology are the bullets or other projectiles. Next to "Metal Storm's" firepower, said a senior Pentagon acquisition official, the lumbering, 45-ton Crusader artillery tube would be obsolete equipment. At the core of the new technology is a projectile design that allows multiple high-pressure ammo to be stacked in-line in a barrel, then electronically fired in sequence. In turn, multiple barrels can be grouped together to form compact weapons systems of unprecedented conventional firepower. These new weapons will have all-electronic access control systems to ensure that only authorized personnel use them. The dual function will also allow on-board selection at the press of a button between a non-lethal response capability and the kind of lethality that will deny an area to the enemy without having to use anti-personnel landmines. Metal Storm also makes the Vle, a handgun with a 64-digit electronic keying system that conceals a transponder. An electronic message confirms when the weapon is set to fire and which fire setting is selected. U.S. defense sources said the Metal Storm technological breakthrough will produce a new generation of weapons that will "accelerate out-of-atmosphere ballistic missile interdiction as well as biological and chemical cloud neutralization." The technology is not just used for firing projectiles. It is an electronically controlled delivery system that has potential applications in fire fighting, fireworks displays, aerial advertising in the night sky, precision chemical distribution in agriculture, and seismic surveying for minerals and oil. ----------------------------------------------------------- Copyright (c) 2002 News World Communications, Inc. All rights reserved.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:23:03 AM EDT
There's one of these for sale at my local gun store but there arent any ankle holsters for it...so I didnt buy it. I'm very picky.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:32:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HKer: These new weapons will have all-electronic access control systems to ensure that only authorized personnel use them.
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Oh good. That will make the MMM crowd "feel" safer.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:32:23 AM EDT
I remember reading about that about a year and a half ago... Here is the origional article... [url]http://www.forbes.com/global/2000/1113/0323032a.html[/url]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:48:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 9:48:40 AM EDT by The_Macallan]
"A new ballistic technology that can fire burst rates in excess of one million rounds per minute from a 36-barrel weapon..." [b]Yeah, BOG's already got one.[/b] "an "area denial weapons system," including an unmanned aerial combat vehicle that will carry twelve 40-mm mortar boxes comprising a total of 1,200 tubes, and armed with 7,200 grenades. The system's unprecedented firing capabilities can lay down a continuous 50-meter-wide carpet of grenades for about two miles, firing all its grenades simultaneously with a five-yard separation on impact." [b]Ya' know BOG knows a guy who has a friend who's already training him on the use of this?[/b] "a small combat aerial vehicle is multi-barreled and can fire 270 rounds onto a target in just .001 seconds" [b]BOG just submitted the forms to acquire this too... it's been approved already, he's just waiting on the paperwork in the mail.[/b] "submachine gun will be capable of firing multiple barrel rapid-fire bursts at 45,000 rounds per minute per barrel." [b]BOG has a friend in California who knows an Australian Special Forces officer who's going to smuggle one of these into the country for him... if the FBI doesn't catch him first.[/b]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:49:34 AM EDT
We got to see the test bed for one of those things on my ship... They're looking to replace the Navy's Phalanx CIWS systems with the 'wall of metal' technology. It's supposed to be a bazillion times more effective than the current ship defensive weapon.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:51:53 AM EDT
So what do you call a 36 barrelled M-16? Ultra-Heavy Weight barrel M-16?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:58:51 AM EDT
no separate magazine, no ammunition feed or ejection system. The only moving parts in this revolutionary ballistic technology are the bullets or other projectiles.
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Factory or depot level reloads? Ouch.
Next to "Metal Storm's" firepower, said a senior Pentagon acquisition official, the lumbering, 45-ton Crusader artillery tube would be obsolete equipment.
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Yep, bury the nail in that coffin. I'm sure "Metal Storm" will have it's program killed as well. It's not like our troops need fire support, eh?
In turn, multiple barrels can be grouped together to form compact weapons systems of unprecedented conventional firepower.
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Sounds kind of heavy.
These new weapons will have all-electronic access control systems to ensure that only authorized personnel use them.
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So much for the Revolution. We'll be locked out of any of the good toys.
Metal Storm also makes the Vle, a handgun with a 64-digit electronic keying system that conceals a transponder. An electronic message confirms when the weapon is set to fire and which fire setting is selected.
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Yep, that will kill the ability to fight against your local authorized friendly gov't agents.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 10:09:07 AM EDT
If "Metal Storm" can't hurl a high explosive shell at a target 20 kilometers away, how is it going to replace a howitzer?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 10:11:36 AM EDT
And here I thought SW debuted some new wonder weapon.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 10:17:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 10:26:52 AM EDT by Benjamin0001]
Once again the Media is makin shit up. They have no fricken clue what they are talking about. Ben
Most of Metal Storm's work is top secret
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[url]http://www.metalstorm.com/[/url]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 11:25:38 AM EDT
how about some decent body armor instead.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 12:45:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 12:46:03 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 12:59:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 1:01:20 PM EDT by tep0583]
If you think this SOUNDS cool, goto [url]www.metalstorm.com[/url] and check out the videos of this technology in action. [u]Very[/u] cool. If this technology hold up to even half of its potential, its going to make the battlefield hell for anybody facing it.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 1:02:06 PM EDT
I want one of those VLe's. To bad they probably won't be offered to the public.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 1:07:09 PM EDT
any ideas as for how can we make this to be classified as AOW by the ATF?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 1:09:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 2:40:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By legrue: I want one of those VLe's. To bad they probably won't be offered to the public.
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Maybe not, but the patented technology will not remain patented for ever. What is the time for patent expiration, about 17 years? By that time, the technology should be perfected, and anybody will be able to manufacture one.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 2:46:27 PM EDT
Like the Chinese care about patents! All the #rd world supporters of Annon will have them in a year.
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Link Posted: 5/15/2002 3:51:32 PM EDT
A ten-round semi-auto version would probably meet the requirements of current law. Some issues with Metal Storm pistols are: 1) How do you reload? Do you just throw in a new barrel full of loads? Can you reuse the barrels? How sturdy and stable is the uncased propellant? Can the loads be handloaded? etc. etc. 2) The way the firearm works: The first round you fire is close to the muzzle end of the barrel. The last round you fire is at the other end of the barrel. Does muzzle velocity and therefore point of impact change from the first round through the last round? Still, exciting stuff! Potential advantages for a pistol: a) Fewer moving parts, which could translate to greater accuracy. b) The electrical trigger should be lighter and smoother, one of the best things that you can do to a firearm to improve accuracy. c) Lighter weight, without the magazine and cartridge cases. (This might be nullified by having to have a longer barrel to accomodate the ammunition). d) The handgrip, no longer containing a magazine, can be made as ergonomic as desired, perhaps even detachable and customizable.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 4:10:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 4:20:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 4:22:03 PM EDT by Energizer]
Originally Posted By ckapsl:
Originally Posted By legrue: I want one of those VLe's. To bad they probably won't be offered to the public.
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Maybe not, but the patented technology will not remain patented for ever. What is the time for patent expiration, about 17 years? By that time, the technology should be perfected, and anybody will be able to manufacture one.
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Not sure if this is true, but about a year or two ago when I first heard of this weapon, I heard that the inventor was "ripped off" by our government. They ignored his patent and stole the idea from him, but maybe they have worked out a few things since then...
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 10:55:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Energizer:
Originally Posted By ckapsl:
Originally Posted By legrue: I want one of those VLe's. To bad they probably won't be offered to the public.
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Maybe not, but the patented technology will not remain patented for ever. What is the time for patent expiration, about 17 years? By that time, the technology should be perfected, and anybody will be able to manufacture one.
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Not sure if this is true, but about a year or two ago when I first heard of this weapon, I heard that the inventor was "ripped off" by our government. They ignored his patent and stole the idea from him, but maybe they have worked out a few things since then...
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Don't know the specifics of the case you mention, but I understand that inventions affecting national security can have their technology classified to the point that they can't discuss it or work on it/use it except with government approval. How this would apply if the inventor is outside the U.S. would be an interesting question.
Link Posted: 5/16/2002 6:27:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By prk: Don't know the specifics of the case you mention, but I understand that inventions affecting national security can have their technology classified to the point that they can't discuss it or work on it/use it except with government approval. How this would apply if the inventor is outside the U.S. would be an interesting question.
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Good point, (if its in the U.S.)-- and since its classified, the patents will not be public, therefore probably nonexistent...
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