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Posted: 5/14/2002 6:08:48 PM EDT
From: [URL=http://www.freestateproject.org/index.htm]Free State Project[/URL] I JUST found this and started reading the details but I've been thinking about a project like this for some time. Read about it and post your ideas. [b][red][i]Libertas an Mortis!![/b][/red][/i]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 1:29:00 AM EDT
BTT! [b][red][i]Libertas an Mortis!![/b][/red][/i]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 2:00:00 AM EDT
I think I've seen this goofy Idea before, was'nt the plan for every body to move to Idaho and set up a White Sepratist, Christian Identity homeland. No federal Goverment, No taxes, Just hate, skinheads and would be Timithy mcViegh's in your little national socialist paradise. No, I think most of us, like having the 50 states, without having a small arian homeland stuck in the middle, thanks, So really your chances of ever creating a sepratist state are pretty much effectively ZERO You would be lucky to move enough people into the state, to fill a housing edition, much less have any impact on the voting of a state.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 2:05:39 AM EDT
What is this, Attack of the assault web/Storm front Zombies! Note to mods: Is there some sort of plan over at Assaultweb to send enough of these loony toons over here to have a effect on these boards? Is this Guy anouther incarnation of Blaze of Felony?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:01:32 AM EDT
Fear: You are thinking of something else. The FSP has been floating around a long time, and it involves guns, not skinheads. The target of the FSP was Montana (IIRC) and the idea was that if enough gun owners and libertarian/conservative types moved to the same state they would be able to control the state government. End game was a return to absolutist utilitarian government within the state and challenge of I believe that the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan picked up on a similar concept and floated an idea about Idaho. However, they targeted Idaho because it already has a large contingent of white seperatists (who aren't supremists for you information and have a general dislike of th radicals) and radical Christian identity groups (who are vehemently anti-anybodywhoain'tWASP).
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:19:08 AM EDT
As requested: My idea is, why don't you guys who want a seperate [i]homeland[/i] get it together and MOVE already... leave the real world to the rest of us. You can have Canada. I hear Quebec is nice... May I suggest trailers... I hear they make 'em so that two will actually fit together, and call them *double-wide*. Cool!
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:24:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: As requested: My idea is, why don't you guys who want a seperate [i]homeland[/i] get it together and MOVE already... leave the real world to the rest of us. You can have Canada. I hear Quebec is nice... May I suggest trailers... I hear they make 'em so that two will actually fit together, and call them *double-wide*. Cool!
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And what has your "real world" reaped for you in Kalifornistan?
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:49:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
Originally Posted By DScott: As requested: My idea is, why don't you guys who want a seperate [i]homeland[/i] get it together and MOVE already... leave the real world to the rest of us. You can have Canada. I hear Quebec is nice... May I suggest trailers... I hear they make 'em so that two will actually fit together, and call them *double-wide*. Cool!
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And what has your "real world" reaped for you in Kalifornistan?
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Well, life's pretty good here for the most part. Jobs, weather, recreation, friends and family close by. All that day to day stuff is working out pretty well. There's more to life than (gasp!) guns doncha know... It'd be even better if all the whining seperatists would just get it over with and get out already, is all I'm saying. As you might have guessed, I think it's a stupid idea, and one that'll never work. Gunsite in Arizona can't even get their little planned firearms oriented community off the ground. But, hey, that's what's great about America!
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:02:45 AM EDT
I think it'd never work because most people are simply too apathetic to follow through on such an endeavor. A lot of people are like me, they want a guarantee of success (like there are already thousands of people involved) before they do anything. I wouldn't do it because things in Virginia are great. Gun laws are not likely to rear their ungly head(s) here for a long time. The other little problem with the FSP is that total independence is pretty much a requirement. I mean independence in the old sense, like you depend on nobody for anything. Most (all?) survivalists can't even pull that off successfully. Idaho (or Montana, or North Dakota, or Wyoming) just doesn't have the natural resources for a true independent state to seed itself. The project is more an internet dream than anything else, and probably will remain so. However, you just make an ass of yourself by insulting people for wanting to live the way they want, especially considering the current trends in your own state.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 7:18:02 AM EDT
Getting everybody who distrusts the U.S. government together in one place is a bad idea. One throat to choke, so to speak. Better they remain dispersed and try to positively influnce government on a local level.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:46:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Fearandloathing37: I think I've seen this goofy Idea before, was'nt the plan for every body to move to Idaho and set up a White Sepratist, Christian Identity homeland. No federal Goverment, No taxes, Just hate, skinheads and would be Timithy mcViegh's in your little national socialist paradise. No, I think most of us, like having the 50 states, without having a small arian homeland stuck in the middle, thanks, So really your chances of ever creating a sepratist state are pretty much effectively ZERO You would be lucky to move enough people into the state, to fill a housing edition, much less have any impact on the voting of a state.
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I posted this here several weeks ago. I know the person who started the whole thing and I can assure you, there is no white supremacy or hate or any other such nonsense. It is not a goofy idea, it is a quite workable idea if some of you would just decide to do something instead of complaining and whining all the time. If it ever gets off the ground, you will want to come live in whatever state we pick.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 9:51:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Redmanfms: I think it'd never work because most people are simply too apathetic to follow through on such an endeavor. A lot of people are like me, they want a guarantee of success (like there are already thousands of people involved) before they do anything. I wouldn't do it because things in Virginia are great. Gun laws are not likely to rear their ungly head(s) here for a long time. The other little problem with the FSP is that total independence is pretty much a requirement. I mean independence in the old sense, like you depend on nobody for anything. Most (all?) survivalists can't even pull that off successfully. Idaho (or Montana, or North Dakota, or Wyoming) just doesn't have the natural resources for a true independent state to seed itself. The project is more an internet dream than anything else, and probably will remain so. However, you just make an ass of yourself by insulting people for wanting to live the way they want, especially considering the current trends in your own state.
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Wake up, dude! The gun laws in VA suck. Isn't that a one gun a month state (or is that MD)? The gun laws could all change in a very short time, the fact that the government holds so much power over you is what is wrong. Are you blind, man? Total independence has nothing to do with the idea, you haven't read and understood what this is about. Whatever state is chosen will become a very popular free trade zone. Companies will want to move in there, well companies that don't rely on corporate welfare and sweetheart deals. Why do you think this is so unworkable? It's really just reverting back to what once existed in this country before the dark times of overbearing federal control. There are no guarantees in life. You need to take a risk once in awhile to get ahead.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 10:48:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Redmanfms: ... The project is more an internet dream than anything else, and probably will remain so. However, you just make an ass of yourself by insulting people for wanting to live the way they want, especially considering the current trends in your own state.
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OK, now that we've established that I'm a complacent ass, and you're just complacent, let's move on. [:)] This idea is stupid and dangerous for at least several reasons- it'll never work for the psychological reasons you allude to, as well as the fact that the ultimate goal is a form of secession, and THAT will NEVER work. Remember the little social unpleasantries of the late 1800's? Geez, six people here on this website can't even hardly agree on what day it is, let alone a course of action that includes considerable commitment, risk, and sacrifice. It's dangerous because it allows people to be deluded into thinking that they're actually *doing* something, and detracts from time, energy, money and effort that would better be spent doing a number of different things that might actually help. That includes action/organizing on a political level, and it also includes working on a personal level to make your the "pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness" meaningful on a personal level.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 11:55:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 12:03:15 PM EDT by Fearandloathing37]
well gee whiz, Redmanfms and Mtnpatriot, The fact, that you have invested such a large amount of time and thought, into the subtle diffences between white supremicy and white sepratism, makes me feel so much better about your motivations with the FSP. Ok, I'll try to treat you, like your sane, for just a minute, and not like the Arian Nation, Order Arm and Sword of the Lord, Trolls, that you most surely are. So, just what do you plan to do, with the good people of the State of Montana, Who do not want to leave the benifits of U.S. Statehood behind, to take part in your Brave new Conservative, White, libritarian, Vallhalla? So, when you decide that many of the laws of the United States do not apply to you, and you decide to opt for secession. Do you think that maybe we should leave all those NUCLEAR MISSLE BASES for you, and all the other United States Military Hardware in the State Of Montana? Are you really Nuts enough to think for one minute, that, the United States would even consider Giving an independant state in the middle of the country, run by a cabal unfriendy to the United States Goverment, Control of 35% or so, of this countries post cold war treaty, nuclear weapons stockpile? Do you really think, Everybody else in the country, other than yourselves, is so frikin stupid, that such a state would ever be allowed to even germinate. Has it crossed your tiny little minds, That Montana is totaly land locked, With a Liberal Anti gun Canada to the North and a United States with 500 times the industrial base of the patheticaly underindustrialized State of Montana. Is'nt that the mistake the South made in The Civil War? What do you think you would use for money and trade? Without the God almighty American Greenback., the main natural resourse of Montana is Johnson Grass and rocks., There are some cattle, but I imagine, that we can grow Holsteins in alot of other places, like my fine State of Oklahoma. I suppose if the economy of your Free State Pardise falls apart, you could always do like the Russians and sell your women to internet porn sites to put some meager bread on the table in your white Sepratist utopia, ( Notice, that, I did use your correction and refered to it as White Sepratist, Not as I refered to it earlier, mistakely of course, as White Supremisist. My mistake. My bad.)
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 12:01:12 PM EDT
MEMBERS AS OF 05/15/02 394 WOW, that's quite a movement.
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:06:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fearandloathing37: well gee whiz, Redmanfms and Mtnpatriot, The fact, that you have invested such a large amount of time and thought, into the subtle diffences between white supremicy and white sepratism, makes me feel so much better about your motivations with the FSP.
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WTF are Fearandloathing37 & DScott talking about? [:(!] First off, please point to where I said anything other that posting the information to this site. Not once did ANY racial comments or mentioning of breaking apart these United States of America come up; Until of course Fearandloathing37, and DScott mentioned them. Second did you actually spend any time reading the web-site or just shoot off the first dumb idea that came to your head? I'm a Troll? Don't think so buddy. What I asked people to do was [b]READ[/b] the web site and post ideas and thoughts about it. Once you learn how to read, and compile intelligent thoughts based on that reading, please come back outside and play nicely with the other children. BTW It amazes me how the people who know everything can’t manage to spell correctly. [b][red][i]Libertas an Mortis!![/b][/red][/I]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:18:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 6:21:23 PM EDT by quietshoez]
i, for one would LOVE to be able to raise my children in an unpolluted haven where they would not be inundated with a media that tells them they have to be ashamed for being white. and who can forget, if you are black, you can't be a racist. we are giving this country away bit by bit and nobody seems to care, so this is the only alternative i can see. for example, if i were to start a group called "the national orgaanization for the advancement of white people", what would that be considered? or how about "the united white people's college fund"???????? and yes, i AM a racist, thanks for noticing [:)]
Link Posted: 5/15/2002 6:42:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2002 6:50:17 PM EDT by Fearandloathing37]
You know what White Sepratist's who want their own free state and Amway Sales Men have in common? Neither will tell you right up front, just what their true plan is. They only tell you when you go to the first meeting, or in the case of This Free State B.S. until you move there, and buy into this deluded little fantisy. I'm still waiting to hear, just how you plan to deal with the Nuclear Missles based in Montana guys, Go ahead, enlighten all of us, as to your plans, regarding United States Military Equipment Based in Montana? I mean, as much thought as you guys claim to have put into this sicko idea, surely you have given some thought to just what your plan is, in the event, that Non-Free state residents of Montana, decide that they do not want to leave their homes, to provide you with a white free state homeland. Just how do you plan to handle that? Huh guys, huh? Come on guys, I know that you really would rather not deal with those really sticky, messy questions, that might show people your true colors (Red White and Black)
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