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Posted: 5/8/2002 4:52:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 4:59:12 PM EDT by quietshoez]
i've noticed some attempted PCing of the site such as , censorship, locking of threads due to "disapproval" of the topics, (and i'm not talking about bandwith or REALLY offensive stuff) i'm talking personal issues. is AR15.com selling out and caving to sponsors at the expense of the members? and it seems that the locking of non "paying" members to "paying" members is disproportioned. i'm not sure i WANT to be a "paying" member now. BTW, i know this topic is not "mainstream" so, lock away, show your power and disapproval, but please try not to forget the little people that make up this site.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 4:56:47 PM EDT
I was playing within a peanut butter thread...and they locked it up
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 4:57:41 PM EDT
Are you purposely trying to get this thread locked or get booted? Your question seems valid, though I don't see the discrimination between the paying/non-paying members that you do, but I don't see everything and I miss a lot. But that last line seems a little too "in your face" if you know what I mean....
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 4:59:22 PM EDT
Just curious, have any paying members ever been booted ?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:01:43 PM EDT
what's with the trashing of this site lately? i've noticed some attempts by members to really start shit and get others riled up. and it seems to come disproportionately from non-paying members. i'm not sure i WANT to allow non-paying members now. dude, quietshoez. perhaps the problems you're seeing are the result of the problems i'm seeing. i don't deny your accusations. i haven't paid that much attention. i [i]do[/i] think there's been an exorbitant amount of useless, yes, useless posts lately. and, for whatever reason, i've noticed more of them coming from the non-paying members. take that for what it's worth. i've got my opinions on the current status of the site, but they're not going to make much of a difference, and they'd likely piss off a lot of people, so i'll keep them to myself.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:06:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:06:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARLady: i'm not sure i WANT to allow non-paying members now.
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well, there you have it. that's enough for me. sorry to pollute YOUR site, your highness. quietshoez out.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:10:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By quietshoez:
Originally Posted By ARLady: i'm not sure i WANT to allow non-paying members now.
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well, there you have it. that's enough for me. sorry to pollute YOUR site, your highness. quietshoez out.
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'shoez... she was throwing your own statement back at you. Get a thicker skin and get back in the discussion.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:13:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By quietshoez:
Originally Posted By ARLady: i'm not sure i WANT to allow non-paying members now.
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well, there you have it. that's enough for me. sorry to pollute YOUR site, your highness. quietshoez out.
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gunbert is correct. i don't think that way. i think most members, whether paying or not, have something positive to contribute. god, did sarcasm die or does it just not convey across a non-verbal medium?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:15:56 PM EDT
quietshoez, it really doesn't make a damn if someone is a "paying" member or not. The simple quidelines that the Avila's ask for apply to everyone. This site will be here for you to enjoy whether you choose to support it or not. Whether you do, or don't will not not have anything to do with how you're viewed, or treated as a member. The only thing that's asked from everyone is to please respect the wishes of the folks who give us this place.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:19:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 5:20:44 PM EDT by quietshoez]
in response to ARLady: i dunno, perhaps it loses something in the translation from verbage which includes inflection, tone and visual cues, to print. we do agree on the "useless topic" point, see my thread on "bandwith wastage" and "SORRY Donr, Edavilasr, GB" earlier today. the paying/non-paying thing just smacks of the "my shoes are better than your shoes" high school thing. i think it irritates me as now i am rather well off and was VERY poor (i mean DIRT poor) as a child, and the whole i'm better than you thing gets to me now, even though i probably make more money than 90% of the posters here. no flame intende AR lady.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:20:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: quietshoez, it really doesn't make a damn if someone is a "paying" member or not. The simple quidelines that the Avila's ask for apply to everyone. This site will be here for you to enjoy whether you choose to support it or not. Whether you do, or don't will not not have anything to do with how you're viewed, or treated as a member. The only thing that's asked from everyone is to please respect the wishes of the folks who give us this place.
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Well said Don !!!
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:20:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARLady: "i'm not sure i WANT to allow non-paying members now."
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Ouch! I was under the impression those who paid did so to help keep this site running. I didn't pay to join some club, or to feel superior to others. There are wayyyyy more paying and non-paying people who follow the rules then who don't. Used to be, we could post whatever meaningless dribble we liked, as long as it didn't cross some line of good taste, such as porn or personal attacks. Slowly, those rules changed and came to be interpreted and enforced differently. Now it seems, if something doesn't fill some personal view of "relevance" (vs "good taste") the thread is locked. Someone remind me what general discussion if for again?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:21:32 PM EDT
The way I look at it, anyone has the right to say whatever the fuck they want (see?). However, the mods are under a different set of rules. You and I can scream "oppression" and "suppression of our rights to free speech". Fact remains, this isn't our website. I think it has little to nothing to do with paid v/s unpaid members. However, I like this site. I will eventually pay for a membership. Yeah, the rules may seem fast and loose. Yeah, maybe a mod gets a vendetta going against a particular member. That's just life. You deal with it, and you move on to another thread. the_reject
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:24:11 PM EDT
And here all this time I was given to believe that all "the little people" were leprechauns living under me house!?![smoke]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:24:33 PM EDT
Read ARlady's complete response, [b]Stealth[/b], she wasn't bitchin' about non-paying members, she just flipped quietshoez' comment back on him! But let's make an end to this antagonistic line of posts, counter-posts, etc., and just get on with the evening! All is forgiven, come home. Eric The(LittleSheba)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:25:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonR: quietshoez, it really doesn't make a damn if someone is a "paying" member or not. The simple quidelines that the Avila's ask for apply to everyone. This site will be here for you to enjoy whether you choose to support it or not. Whether you do, or don't will not not have anything to do with how you're viewed, or treated as a member. The only thing that's asked from everyone is to please respect the wishes of the folks who give us this place.
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well, i think i got the idea when i asked the avilas to help me with a profane unsolicited email that i received from one of thir sponsors, and was accused of being a liar and making it up. that really made me feel let down as it wasn't even looked into. i know that they have to give the sponsors a little leeway, and i support the site by intentionally visiting the sponsors.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:29:11 PM EDT
FWIW, GB gets hundreds of emails a day. If you have a problem like that, email me with it and I'll pester the piss out of GB until it's taken care of. You're just as important to us as anyone else.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:41:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stealth: Ouch! I was under the impression those who paid did so to help keep this site running. I didn't pay to join some club, or to feel superior to others. There are wayyyyy more paying and non-paying people who follow the rules then who don't. Used to be, we could post whatever meaningless dribble we liked, as long as it didn't cross some line of good taste, such as porn or personal attacks. Slowly, those rules changed and came to be interpreted and enforced differently. Now it seems, if something doesn't fill some personal view of "relevance" (vs "good taste") the thread is locked. Someone remind me what general discussion if for again?
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Ditto. If we are going to change the rules, let's at least put them in writing. Right now it seems as if we are flying by the seat of our pants and letting [b]personal[/b] opinions slant the way things are being handled.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 5:56:53 PM EDT
I know the only reason I paid my $60 is so they would have to put up with me. [flame]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 6:52:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aggie1: If we are going to change the rules, let's at least put them in writing. Right now it seems as if we are flying by the seat of our pants and letting [b]personal[/b] opinions slant the way things are being handled.
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Actually, we have been discussing this topic quite a bit in the moderator forum, and we are trying to collectively find a way to get things more clear cut and precise, and in the process, keep everyone happy (easier said than done [:)]).
Originally Posted By SPECTRE: Just curious, have any paying members ever been booted ?
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Yes. 2 Team members have been asked to leave, because after giving their $60 to help out, they thought that somehow, the rules no longer applied to them. We (many of us) damn near went to the pathetic point of begging for these folks to try and cooperate, and not break the simple conduct rules that we have in place... all to no avail. I just wanted to answer a couple of questions I noticed. [:)] Eric/Tyler
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