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Posted: 5/8/2002 10:28:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/9/2002 9:58:57 PM EDT by M4_Aiming_at_U]
I work at a Community college as a student advisor in the ESL department. All last wee we had nobody come in for advising and I work at night. Needless to say I was bored out of my mind for 5 hours a day with nothing at all to do. So I went on my favorite website! well today before work I got a call from my boss and he was asking me why I was on a website that was about guns. I was totally enraged! I respond calmly and told him since I was a criminal justice major there are many people within the law enforcement field on that site (I didn't want to tell him that I was addicted to AW weapons).I also told him that since I see everyone using the Internet in the office for personal use that I didn't think it would create a problem. Here I am, with a delima.the job pays REALLY well but I don't even feel like going back due to the liberal BS and tattle tales.I wanted to talk to him a little more when I get to work tonight or tomorrow,wny good ideas of what I should say? I know I can count on you guys/gals for advice, Thanks! [b][red]***UPDATE Well I got home not too long ago.It seemed that it didnt have anything to do with the company policy,it wasnt the firewall people that reported it it was the girl who I shared the PC with during the day.She said that since she was from another country (Chile) and she felt threatened by an employee that worked so close to her who was active in a message board such as AR15.com. My boss explained to her that I am a Criminal Justice major with the intent of going to law school and many of the discussions that go on here arent just about guns,they are about laws,the fight against terrorism and such. She replied with a shrug. Damn I hate this BS! So from now on my boss tells me I cant use the Internet for personal use. Why Becuase I have a legal right? Oh well there isnt much I can do,I can either quit my High paying job becuase of idiots or just remain silent,what to do what to do?[/red][/b]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:32:12 AM EDT
What's the 'back door' in AR15.com?? jobrelatedsite....or somesuch? Someone will know for certain! Eric The(Brazen)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:32:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 10:34:17 AM EDT by Gloftoe]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:33:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:33:52 AM EDT
Thank God I live in Texas. Just about every week my boss asks me if I've bought any new guns lately, a few of my coworkers want me to take their kids out to shoot machineguns and about 50% of our workforce is starting to bitch that it's taking too long for deer season to come back around.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:36:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 10:36:39 AM EDT by 7]
The 9999's probably got you. And NO, I am not [whacko]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:37:07 AM EDT
When I was first hired I didnt sign or was told that I couldnt use the internet. Thats what makes me so angry! Its OK for everyone else to DL pictues of little puppies and kittens but for god sakes dont talk to a person on AR15.com who is a police officer about joining the force!
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:37:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 10:38:15 AM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:37:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7: The 9999's probably got you. And NO, I am not [whacko]
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What are they? The firewall people?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:43:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: here is what i do. Line up a bunch of rounds on you desk. Paint faces on them and name them after your co workers. When the stress gets REALLY bad start talking to them. Then begin to argue with them. I promise you they will never question your internet usage again [:D] mike
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ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:43:54 AM EDT
You can't be rational with liberals. They'll probably fire you anyway. Didn't you know that because you like guns that it's only a matter of time before you bring them in and murder people! You psycho gun lover you! [:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:46:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: here is what i do. Line up a bunch of rounds on you desk. Paint faces on them and name them after your co workers. When the stress gets REALLY bad start talking to them. Then begin to argue with them. I promise you they will never question your internet usage again [:D] mike
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I'm crying dude! That's the funniest thing I've ever heard! I can just picture the scene in my head....... [:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:47:32 AM EDT
My local library blocks out AR15.com, Sturmgewehr.com, NRA.com. But they let thru PETA's site. WTF! Wasn't PETA declared a terrorist organization a few years back.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:52:41 AM EDT
Ask your Boss if he has a problem with the First Amendment.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:53:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 10:55:26 AM EDT by Avalon01]
I have filters placed on ALL weapon related sites. In IL public school systems and public libraries MUST have an internet filtering program in place. Hate to tell you, but the computer you use is owned by your company, school, etc. If you think you are not being watched you are living in a fantasy. We block internet sites, keep logs of who is viewing what sites, or attempting to view a site, and we scan e-mail that comes into the District. We can also monitor calls out of the district (we don't), and can monitor voice mail (depends on the situation). We are a school district, most companies I worked for had as much or more monitoring than we do. Av. Add: the backdoor does NOT work with the filter I have in place at work (Websense). I belive the IP is the same as ar15.com.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:59:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:01:10 AM EDT
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: here is what i do. Line up a bunch of rounds on you desk. Paint faces on them and name them after your co workers. When the stress gets REALLY bad start talking to them. Then begin to argue with them. I promise you they will never question your internet usage again mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now [b]that[/b] is funny! [;D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:06:40 AM EDT
Very good point Beer_Slayer, one that anyone that works on a LAN should be aware of...
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:16:51 AM EDT
the company at which I work uses Websense. Just go to www.seigesurfer.com and pay $50 and it will encrypt the sites for you. It's what I'm using right now. Unfortunately, you cannot get to the 2nd or higher pages on posts, but you can get in somewhat.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:25:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:29:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord: NRA.com. But they let thru PETA's site. WTF!
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Isn't it ironic that a public library practices politically correct censorship !?!? No 1st ammendment in the Library!
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:49:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Avalon01: I have filters placed on ALL weapon related sites. In IL public school systems and public libraries MUST have an internet filtering program in place. Hate to tell you, but the computer you use is owned by your company, school, etc. If you think you are not being watched you are living in a fantasy. We block internet sites, keep logs of who is viewing what sites, or attempting to view a site, and we scan e-mail that comes into the District. We can also monitor calls out of the district (we don't), and can monitor voice mail (depends on the situation). We are a school district, most companies I worked for had as much or more monitoring than we do. Av. Add: the backdoor does NOT work with the filter I have in place at work (Websense). I belive the IP is the same as ar15.com.
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Avalon, With ALL due respect; so it's all right for the SYSOP/IT Manager/Boss or just All-Around System Geek to websurf during working hours but taboo for the rest of us? You wouldn't be doing something hypocritical would you? Say is isn't so! Are you keeping a log of your on-line periods? Are you watching yourself right now? Do you block yourself and scan your own e-mail, listen in on your own phonecons? Just curious, you understand... [;D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:56:59 AM EDT
Above comments about company internet access are correct. The network belongs to the company, and they can establish any rules they want. To a certain extent that is true for public sector organizations as well. You can abide by their rules or be disciplined, or you can challenge the rules. Generally, there is a process for this. With regard to libraries, schools, governmental offices, etc., they can be vulnerable to challenges of 1st amendment rights, equal application of rules, any number of strong points. The problem is that, short of the NRA, few people have the assets or time to mount such a challenge. In your situation, you probably need to ask for a copy of the internal policy. It may give you some leeway. Most of these policies will discuss "excessive or inappropriate personal use" or "no use for non-business purposes". If so, then if you are threatened with any disciplinary action, you can at least challenge the orgaization to enforce ALL policy violations equally. This will usually strike some fear into a public sector manager; it's a good bet he's arranging tee times or bidding on Beanie Babies on eBay himself. Sorry for long post.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:04:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 12:18:16 PM EDT by ChuckT]
Originally Posted By warlord: My local library blocks out AR15.com, Sturmgewehr.com, NRA.com. But they let thru PETA's site. WTF! Wasn't PETA declared a terrorist organization a few years back.
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[rant] Do they filter porn as well? I keep hearing assorted libraries, or their organizations, SCREAMING about freedom of speech. They say that's why they can't filter porn sites out, even though children can/do view them. When you suggest no filter, but tell children they can't visit those sites, they say "we're not policemen." [/rant] FYI -- I'm not equating guns with porn; more like equal opportunity.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:05:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 12:10:49 PM EDT by Avalon01]
Originally Posted By LWilde: Avalon, With ALL due respect; so it's all right for the SYSOP/IT Manager/Boss or just All-Around System Geek to websurf during working hours but taboo for the rest of us? You wouldn't be doing something hypocritical would you? Say is isn't so! Are you keeping a log of your on-line periods? Are you watching yourself right now? Do you block yourself and scan your own e-mail, listen in on your own phonecons? Just curious, you understand... [;D]
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My time here IS logged in the webservers just like everyone else in the district. Am I blocked? Nope. Scan my e-mail? Yep, shows up in the logs too. Listen to phone calls? Nope, nor do I listen to anyone else's. I said we CAN, not we DO. While I may surf ar15.com, other staff members surf car sites, e-trade, and many other hobby sites. It's all logged. The ONLY thing I take issue with is porn. You surf for porn, bye-bye. I have NEVER had a staff member written up or disciplined for surfing on company time (excluding porn). They are monitored, but I don't want to be a total ass. Av. Edit: I werk for a publik schoool distrik. I cant speel. Edit #2: I did unblock EBay and some other "play" sites for the staff. Teachers don't have time to surf while they are teaching classes, so the only time they really surf is during breaks and before/after school.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:06:14 PM EDT
At where I work, the pc that operates my machine used to have internet access. The suits went and disable it. AR15.com was the only way I was able to keep updated on the events of 9/11. That okay, though. I just found out the my home phone line will now let a 56k modem work. After connecting at only 28.8K, 56K seems like have a broadband connection! [:D] Vulcan94
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:20:33 PM EDT
You need to find a company to work for like Lauer Custom Weaponry. Test fire all types of firearms all day and get paid to surf gun sites all day! Get paid to attend the BRC, the Shot Show, Trexpo, Etc. It's not a bad gig. Everyone is welcome to apply. Rick Lauer Custom Weaponry rickhusby@lauerweaponry.com
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:30:54 PM EDT
That's bs. I suppose I would have asked what he meant. Was he upset because I was on the internet? No? I was visiting a gun site because I like and legally own guns. If there is a policy, please show it to me and I will go over it with my lawyer. Next stoopid question...
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 12:53:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: here is what i do. Line up a bunch of rounds on you desk. Paint faces on them and name them after your co workers. When the stress gets REALLY bad start talking to them. Then begin to argue with them. I promise you they will never question your internet usage again [:D] mike
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Now why didn't I do that at my last job?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 1:42:33 PM EDT
Ah the joys of liberal censorship. You don't like?
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 1:59:53 PM EDT
They say that my work internet is monitored, so I just resist the erge to surf. You can't just log on to AR15.com for a few minutes. It is kind of like potato chips.[:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 2:01:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By warlord: My local library blocks out AR15.com, Sturmgewehr.com, NRA.com. But they let thru PETA's site. WTF! Wasn't PETA declared a terrorist organization a few years back.
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Call the local ACLU chapter and initiate a lawsuit against the library. It's for the children.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 2:41:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/8/2002 2:42:06 PM EDT by 7]
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U:
Originally Posted By 7: The 9999's probably got you. And NO, I am not [whacko]
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What are they? The firewall people?
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Read this and you'll find out. Btw, it is still doing 9999's. [url=www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=108223]Here[/url]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 3:09:06 PM EDT
I wish I could resist the urge to surf, but since I'm the IT director there is little incentive. As you can probably tell, I'm seriously bored at work today. All in all, I'd rather be out shooting.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 7:25:22 PM EDT
UPDATED,BTT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 7:29:51 PM EDT
DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL If you enjoy life you will not subject yourself to the throws of hell I am currently roasting in (finals,) I used to be happy, now I am a bitter fool who hates to look at a book and can't go back to the ignorance of enjoying a one sided argument.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 7:34:03 PM EDT
I say screw the bums! This IS still America. You are probably very good at what you do, you WILL get another job that might pay even better. My .02.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 7:46:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By M4_Aiming_at_U: [b][red]Well I got home not too long ago.It seemed that it didnt have anything to do with the company policy,it wasnt the firewall people that reported it it was the girl who I shared the PC with during the day.She said that since she was from another country (Chile) and she felt threatened by an employee that worked so close to her who was active in a message board such as AR15.com. My boss explained to her that I am a Criminal Justice major with the intent of going to law school and many of the discussions that go on here arent just about guns,they are about laws,the fight against terrorism and such. She replied with a shrug. Damn I hate this BS! So from now on my boss tells me I cant use the Internet for personal use. Why Becuase I have a legal right? Oh well there isnt much I can do,I can either quit my High paying job becuase of idiots or just remain silent,what to do what to do?[/red][/b]
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Policy is policy. There should be a standard use policy in place for all employees. Most companies require you to sign some statement of understanding the communications equipment use policy. If there is one, whether or not it was something you signed, then they have a right to enforce it. Unless you are party to a collective bargaining agreement (read that, union), most states consider employment "at will" and can be terminated by either party for most any reason.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 7:53:05 PM EDT
Final answer! If you can properly re-enact the scene in "Fight Club", where the narrator is talking to his boss about the sheet of paper found on the copy machine, you will have no more problems. Eric/Tyler
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:01:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy: Thank God I live in Texas. Just about every week my boss asks me if I've bought any new guns lately, a few of my coworkers want me to take their kids out to shoot machineguns and about 50% of our workforce is starting to bitch that it's taking too long for deer season to come back around.
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God Bless Texas.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:06:32 PM EDT
Just quit your job!! You will have plenty of time to surf the web. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:09:23 PM EDT
Since you "share" a computer, I would get your hands on a keystroke recorder program...You can have all kinds of fun with that...see exactly where she goes online,who and what she writes in her e-mails, get her e-mail passwords to send raunchy letters to her friends (from her) I "know" someone who did something like this..They found e-mails complaining about how crappy the job was, e-mails about looking for a better job ect ect...all of these things just "happened" to be forwarded(from this persons e-mail)to the boss...Believe there was hell to pay...Pay back is a M-----
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:39:42 PM EDT
hell i do most of my ar15.com work at the local community college no one cares course you do c some funny stuff like the guy that was looking at porn who said when confronted "Please dont tell my wife"
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:46:24 PM EDT
You call that trouble? :) A certain person whose nick begins with an e was surfing ar15 one fine unpaid lunch, when suddenly the Death Star's (and I certainly don't refer to any telecommunications company here, noooo) most loyal minion chanced upon this hapless person. The Death Star, needless to say, is not friendly toward those nasty gunlike things. Closest that er.. that person ever came to being fired, ever. Funnier still is that the last guy who nailed er that person for surfing lost HIS job - and now they've quietly reinterpreted the policy so we can surf 24x7. Leaving us with the firm conclusion that there are no firm conclusions in life, but you might get fired anyway.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:50:16 PM EDT
Sorry to hear of your trouble. My boss is an RKBA kind of guy, in fact he wrote my "yes he's an upstanding citizen" letter required for my Gunsite course. But I do try not to surf on company time.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 8:51:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 9:57:50 PM EDT
One job I was at (engineering office environment), I elected to put some H&K USP ads up on my cubicle wall. My manager walked over and saw it, and asked me if I had one. I told him I did and we proceded to talk guns on company time ;) A few co-workers made remarks about it, and I just told them when "Jane" takes down her pics of furballs, I may take that down. Of course, I like cats also, but they don't need to know that ;) Later as I was leaving work, I happened to chance by my supervisor near his car. He waved me over and opened his trunk and proceeded to show me his S&W :) (btw, firearms are prohibited on company property) Anyway, if he would have asked me to take down the pic of the handgun, I would have. Is it because I am complacent? No. It's because I know that companies have written and unwritten policies. I would not want to see HIS manager correct HIM for not correcting ME. Also, I work contract. That means that they could easily have fired me for any reason they wanted, and said it was for any reason they wanted. As much as I believe in the rights of gun owners, I also believe in the rights of business owners. They should be able to hire whoever they wish. They should be able to fire whoever they wish. They should make the rules, as it IS THEIR business. If they didn't allow even TALK of firearms, I simply would not work for them. They also should have the right to get rid of my A$$ for whatever reason they wish. Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 10:47:51 PM EDT
Most of my co-workers know I have guns. In fact I showed my collection to my last supervisor. Kinda scared her I think. You know those education people. No one really gives me any crap about it. I don't surf at work cause there is no time to do all the things I need to do let alone goof off. Though when someone pisses me off in the office I usually respond with "remember, I'm very heavily armed!" [:D]
Link Posted: 5/8/2002 11:06:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Avalon01: keep logs of who is viewing what sites, or attempting to view a site
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LOL...does one have to log on to use a computer in your district? [:D] Sounds like a lovely work environment!
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 6:32:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/9/2002 7:45:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By dave223:
Originally Posted By Avalon01: keep logs of who is viewing what sites, or attempting to view a site
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LOL...does one have to log on to use a computer in your district? [:D] Sounds like a lovely work environment!
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They sure do! Not many places I know of where someone can just walk up to a PC and start using it. It's called SECURITY. Av.
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