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Posted: 5/5/2002 6:30:58 PM EDT
Ok, with out all the BS!,I don't need to know how much we all know about the hole deal.........but: Who are the bad guys #1 the Jews,they need to get out of the mid east and stop killing people. #2 The Palestinians,the are killers or let killers work from there homes and towns and need to take there lumps. I just want to have an idea how many people really side with Israel.
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To the victor goes the spoils................ [b][size=5]GOOOOOOOO Jews!!![/size=5][/b] Sgtar15
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 6:36:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: Perhaps a better caption would be "Israelis" not "Jews." The two terms are not interchaneable.
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Ok Israelis,so what do you say? good guys or bad guys?
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Dont care either way. Fence in the area, give both sides an equal amount of arms and let them slaughter eachother to the last man. Install cameras and put it on cable pay-per-view. Both sides are equally worthless swine. Muslims are fanatic nut cases who need a good 15 kiloton warhead where it will do them the most good, on top of their heads. Israelis are duplicious back stabbing socialists who deal with our enemies to sell them our technology that we paid for. Like the AWACS style planes to the Chinese, or kill our sailors as in the USS Liberty. Let the whole place burn to bedrock please, I am sick of hearing about it. Dram
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:00:17 PM EDT
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It's not work'en[>:/] I was looking for anti-Semitism in mass. I just read a poll that shows 73% of all Americans think the Israelis are to blame for the hole mid east mess. I think it's bull, most Americans don't think that but I wanted to see for myself if you guys would side with me or the poll. PS:poll was by New China News
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:06:01 PM EDT
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Never mind. I didn't realize it was just blah blah.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:29:27 PM EDT
Well my god never said the jews where the chosen people, so what gives them the right to take the west bank. Get them the &^%$ out.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:35:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: The Israelis have been our allies for a long time, including back when some of our present "friends" were playing kissy face with the commies. Also Israelis don't dance in the streets when innocent americans are killed-so I guess emotionally I prefer the Israelis, but I think there are Israelis who want a fight to death, not a resolution which ticks me off.
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oh, yeah. i know what you mean i mean, why can't they follow America's lead in solving problems. like the one we have with Muslim terrorists. now there's a peaceful resolution if i ever saw one. [;D]
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:36:27 PM EDT
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I have no problem with Jews. For that matter, my only complaints with Israel are that they have been way TOO EASY on the palis! They should kill Arafathead and utterly crush the opposition. "Only from your enemy's total defeat does peace emerge". Me.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:39:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARick: Well my god never said the jews where the chosen people, so what gives them the right to take the west bank. Get them the &^%$ out.
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Ummm because they are stronger and won it?? You know, kind of like what we did with the Indians and Mexico. Sgt(expansionisagoodthing)ar15
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:43:15 PM EDT
don't know about the Israeli Jews, but I like the Jews over here. My Jewish friends and co-workers are really nice people. It could be just that the Israeli Jews are a particularly nasty variety. Like that strain of e coli that makes you have the worst diahrea.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:55:37 PM EDT
Israeli's = 51% shit faced liars Palestinians = 49% shit faced liars Overall: If one doesnt fuck over the peace the other one does. Solution: KILL EM'ALL AND LET GOD SORT EM'OUT!
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 7:57:16 PM EDT
If you're referring to the Israelis, I definitely support them. They aren't perfect, but they are one hell of a lot better than the Arabs.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 8:03:44 PM EDT
I love Jews. They taste like chicken.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 8:12:33 PM EDT
Oh no another one of these threads, They will fight and fight nothing will cause peace they will always be fighting and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 8:30:44 PM EDT
I like Jews like my buddy Ian. An Uzi packing 20 something conservative.
Link Posted: 5/5/2002 9:27:29 PM EDT
I don't care if you are israeli, jew, muslim or whatever, don't try and mess with the Constitution and Bill of Rights otherwise you will give me a reason to hate YOU.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 4:03:47 AM EDT
I do not recognize any religion as a reason to like or dislike anyone. In my opinion all god fearing people should be pitied to the same degree.......
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:01:40 AM EDT
Israelis: Invented the Uzi, the Israeli FAL and the Galil Pallies: Invented the Semtex suicide belt I have to give round one to the Izzies.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:13:40 AM EDT
I say arm both sides equally and let them battle it out. Winner takes all, looser gets the hell out!
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:14:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dramborleg: Dont care either way. Fence in the area, give both sides an equal amount of arms and let them slaughter eachother to the last man. Install cameras and put it on cable pay-per-view. Both sides are equally worthless swine. Muslims are fanatic nut cases who need a good 15 kiloton warhead where it will do them the most good, on top of their heads. Israelis are duplicious back stabbing socialists who deal with our enemies to sell them our technology that we paid for. Like the AWACS style planes to the Chinese, or kill our sailors as in the USS Liberty. Let the whole place burn to bedrock please, I am sick of hearing about it. Dram
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Excellent rant ! I can only add as a taxpayer I'm tired of paying for this whole deal.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:20:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: The Israelis have been our allies for a long time.......
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Israel is a 'purchased' ally. Or probably more accurate a rented ally. Each year we pay this "ally" somewhere between $3 and $5 billion dollars. Neither Israel nor the Palestinian Territories are of any strategic value to the United States. We need to get our heads out of Sharon's ass and look to Turkey and Arabia as both ARE strategic to U.S. interests in the middle east.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:29:40 AM EDT
[b]subsailor[/b], fer gawd's sake, would you please drop this wishful thinking that Saudi Arabia is going to be a strategic ally of the United States one day! If you want 'suicide bombers' who have no compunction about flying hi-jacked civilian airliners into commercial buildings, then Saudi Arabia should be your first choice. If you want Saudi Arabia to be our ally, you will simply have to get rid of about 95% of its people! So why continue to beat the 'Saudi Arabia' drum. [b]They [u]ain't[/u] gonna help![/b] Eric The(Factual)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:36:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: [b]subsailor[/b], fer gawd's sake, would you please drop this wishful thinking that Saudi Arabia is going to be a strategic ally of the United States one day! Eric The(Factual)Hun[>]:)]
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PuhhhhLeeeese !! Exactly where did I say anything about either Arabia (or for that matter Turkey) being an ally ?? I simply once again stated that Israel and the Palestinian Territories are of 'NO' strategic value to the U.S. and that both Turkey and Arabia are of strategic importance to the U.S. in that region.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:44:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By smarty_pants: I just read a poll that shows 73% of all Americans think the Israelis are to blame for the hole mid east mess.
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...and 63.47% of all statistics are made up right on the spot. [:D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:48:38 AM EDT
The Israeli's are killing those that deserve to be killed. The Palestinians brought it on themselves when targeting civilians. At least Israel's military operations focus on the militants rather than innocent civilians. However, some innocents are bound to be killed as that is a basic part of war. Bill3508
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:48:46 AM EDT
Puh-leeze![:D] You mean you're talking about the land areas only? Not the nations, themselves, but the land? If that's true, then just about any piece of land that you could set aircraft-carrier based aircraft on and land-based aircraft on would be 'strategic.' If there's anything that our last two wars in this arena have taught us, it's that we can use aircraft-carrier battle groups to bring whatever we need to whereever we need it. Land bases would be nice, but they're not worth destroying two nations over. Eric The(Peaceful)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 5:57:32 AM EDT
I love the Jews enuf to tell them that their hope, their future is to be found in Jesus Christ, the one whom they once before rejected as Messiah, NOT in so many square miles of dirt on the coast of the Mediterranena Sea. Like God, who NEVER changes His mind or His truth, commanded us all - "Set your affection on heavenly things, NOT on things of this earth." If that's true now, today, then it has always been, and will always be true, as far as God is concerned. Any anyone who REALLY loves the Jews should be steering them in this direction instead of encouraging them to be disobedient to this command. I give them this message of hope, even tho they may not appreciate me doing so. I love them THAT much. As far as the Middle East situation, I simply REFUSE to be such a simpleton as to beleive that the Arabs are ENTIRELY at fault, and the Jewish politicos (Sharone, Netanyahu, Perez, et al) don't share much of the fault.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:04:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By jtw2: I love Jews. They taste like chicken.
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I don't know, never had a chance to taste... but she sure was qute though!!!! [:D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:05:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Puh-leeze![:D] You mean you're talking about the land areas only? Not the nations, themselves, but the land? If that's true, then just about any piece of land that you could set aircraft-carrier based aircraft on and land-based aircraft on would be 'strategic.' If there's anything that our last two wars in this arena have taught us, it's that we can use aircraft-carrier battle groups to bring whatever we need to whereever we need it. Land bases would be nice, but they're not worth destroying two nations over. Eric The(Peaceful)Hun[>]:)]
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Eric (theMyopic)Hun, here is your love, your ally, your Israel hard at work furthering the cause of peace in the middle east: "Then the planes attacked the bridge in order to blind her, killing instantly the ship's executive officer. With the LIBERTY now deaf, blind, and silenced, unable to call for help and unable to move, the ISRAELI pilots next proceeded to kill her. Designed to punch holes in the toughest tanks, the ISRAELI shells tore through the LIBERTY's steel plating like like hot nails through butter, exploding into jagged bits of shrapnel and BUTCHERING (AMERICAN) MEN DEEP IN THEIR LIVING QUARTERS." "Menachem, is he screwing her ?" headquarters asked one of the (ISRAELI) pilots excitedly. "As the ISRAELI'S continued their "SLAUGHTER (Of United States Naval personnel), neither they nor the LIBERTY crew had any idea that witnesses were present high above." Excerpted from: Body of Secrets; Bamford, James; Doubleday 2001; page 212. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL YOU SUPPORT A NATION THAT WANTONLY KILLED UNITED STATES NAVAL PERSONNEL. FUCK ISRAEL.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:13:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Aimless, shotar,and M. Mouse, this one is for you folks too. Here are YOUR friends an ally ISRAEL hard at work killing American sailors !! ----------------------------------------- "Then the planes attacked the bridge in order to blind her, killing instantly the ship's executive officer. With the LIBERTY now deaf, blind, and silenced, unable to call for help and unable to move, the ISRAELI pilots next proceeded to kill her. Designed to punch holes in the toughest tanks, the ISRAELI shells tore through the LIBERTY's steel plating like like hot nails through butter, exploding into jagged bits of shrapnel and BUTCHERING (AMERICAN) MEN DEEP IN THEIR LIVING QUARTERS." "Menachem, is he screwing her ?" headquarters asked one of the (ISRAELI) pilots excitedly. "As the ISRAELI'S continued their "SLAUGHTER (Of United States Naval personnel), neither they nor the LIBERTY crew had any idea that witnesses were present high above." Excerpted from: Body of Secrets; Bamford, James; Doubleday 2001; page 212. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL YOU SUPPORT A NATION THAT WANTONLY KILLED UNITED STATES NAVAL PERSONNEL. FUCK ISRAEL.
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Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:26:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SUPPORT ISRAEL YOU SUPPORT A NATION THAT WANTONLY KILLED UNITED STATES NAVAL PERSONNEL. FUCK ISRAEL.
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I take solace in the fact that God will settle that score with those responsible, since our nation, and many on this board, lack the moral courage, objectivity, and willingness to see whats in plain sight necessary to right this wrong.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:28:25 AM EDT
Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but James Bamford is not my idea of an unbiased writer when it comes to Israel. He's changed his story on this event, every time new facts have come to light that show that his previous posturing was a [b]lie[/b]. Ordinarily, I wouldn't call it lying, but when you show the kind of animus against Israel that Bamford has shown, it simply is [b]lying[/b]! It was a tragic mistake, as even the CO of the ship stated under oath at the first Naval Board of Inquiry. Period. Eric The(EyesWide-Open)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:33:06 AM EDT
Here's a freebie for ALL you Israeli lovers: "..........and before I closed my eyes I looked up and I saw the AMERICAN FLAG and that was the last thing I saw before I was hit. And I closed my eyes just waiting for hell's tornado (the Israelis) to hit me. And I was hit by (ISRAELI) rocket and cannon fire that blew two and a half feet of my colon out and I received over one hundred shrapnel wounds." Excerpted from: Body of Secrets, Bamford, James; Doubleday 2001 ---------------------------------------------- YOUR ally Israel hard at work slaughtering AMERICAN sailors.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:36:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: I take solace in the fact that God will settle that score with those responsible, since our nation, and many on this board, lack the moral courage, objectivity, and willingness to see whats in plain sight necessary to right this wrong.
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And I pray to God you are correct. However, I believe that since God gave us the intelligence to guide our earthly lives that we should use that intellect to understand who are our friends and allies.......
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:40:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but James Bamford is not my idea of an unbiased writer when it comes to Israel. Eric The(EyesWide-Open)Hun[>]:)]
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You continue to believe that idiot SHARON and I'll continue to believe Bamford.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:44:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Aimless: Perhaps a better caption would be "Israelis" not "Jews." The two terms are not interchaneable.
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Sorry buddy, its a Jewish state, they are very interchangable when referring to that region. If people flame on the title alone, then they obviously miss the point of the question. I saw the title and clicked on it only because of the title! If I saw "Israel" I wouldn't have bothered!
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:47:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Here's a freebie for ALL you Israeli lovers: "..........and before I closed my eyes I looked up and I saw the AMERICAN FLAG and that was the last thing I saw before I was hit. And I closed my eyes just waiting for hell's tornado (the Israelis) to hit me. And I was hit by (ISRAELI) rocket and cannon fire that blew two and a half feet of my colon out and I received over one hundred shrapnel wounds." Excerpted from: Body of Secrets, Bamford, James; Doubleday 2001 ---------------------------------------------- YOUR ally Israel hard at work slaughtering AMERICAN sailors.
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Just in case you folks missed it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:52:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but James Bamford is not my idea of an unbiased writer when it comes to Israel. He's changed his story on this event, every time new facts have come to light that show that his previous posturing was a [b]lie[/b]. [>]:)]
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yeah, unlike SOME lawyers amongst us who REFUSE to change their opinion even when the facts CLEARLY indicate otherwise.[}:D] Ouch, that was below da belt!!!!!!![}:D] And BTW, bias DOES NOT necessarily mean a complete and total lack of truth. Whatever, Eric- you keep stroking Israel, encouraging them to seek political significance rather than Jesus Christ while they are on their way to hell, and I'll keep preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And that's dead on.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:58:36 AM EDT
bzzzzz... bzzzzz... [img]http://www.mosquito.org/ADULT.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 6:59:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By garandman: I take solace in the fact that God will settle that score with those responsible, since our nation, and many on this board, lack the moral courage, objectivity, and willingness to see whats in plain sight necessary to right this wrong.
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And I pray to God you are correct. However, I believe that since God gave us the intelligence to guide our earthly lives that we should use that intellect to understand who are our friends and allies.......
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Agreed. God gave us brains - He intends for us to use them. I simply refuse to ally with nations that DELIBERATELY kill US sailors. And EVEN IF it were accidental, that simply proves they are too incompetent to be an ally. Kinda like a drunk driver. Sober they are prolly OK people, but when drunk and behind the wheel, they are deadly.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:00:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By maxwell05: I like Jews like my buddy Ian. An Uzi packing 20 something conservative.
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Ian-ish guys don't exist by me, so I can't feel as warmly as you do. Fortunately the NY jews saw Bloomberg running for Mayor and we atleast got our man that way.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:05:22 AM EDT
Here's a very thorough book on the USS Liberty attack that is a must read for anyone remotely interested in this subject! [url]http://www.brasseysinc.com/Books/157488414X.htm[/url] Be warned, however, that this former US Naval aviator comes up with the conclusion that the attack was a tragic mistake! Eric The(EvenHanded)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:13:24 AM EDT
Post from garandman -
Whatever, Eric- you keep stroking Israel, encouraging them to seek political significance rather than Jesus Christ while they are on their way to hell, and I'll keep preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
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Simply put, [b]garandman[/b], you have no idea what I do in my private life! So you may close your trap about [u]that[/u]![:D] And, [u]thankfully[/u], I do not have to answer to you for my witnessing to Jews, but to the King of the Jews. I hope He will be thoroughly satisfied with my efforts!
And that's dead on.
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If I were a Jew hoping to find the hope that all men have in Christ Jesus, and all I could hear about Him is what you've said on this Board, so far.... Well, let's just say I would not be impressed to switch sides. How many Jews have you personally baptized, my dear friend? Oh, but that's right, you would not even teach the converting Jews of the necessity of water baptism. Thou art a blind guide, I am afraid. Eric The(ReadYourBibleAsCarefullyAsYouReadBamford'­sWorks,OK?)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:20:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Here's a very thorough book on the USS Liberty attack that is a must read for anyone remotely interested in this subject! [url]http://www.brasseysinc.com/Books/157488414X.htm[/url] Be warned, however, that this former US Naval aviator comes up with the conclusion that the attack was a tragic mistake! Eric The(EvenHanded)Hun[>]:)]
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Sorry Hun, but the duration of that attack and the ship itself speaks to Israel's guilt in the matter. Sometimes you have to step back from your ally when their actions are this aggregious. Personally, I'd take the position that this is ancient history, which the Israelis will not let repeat, but then again, that would be overly optimistic.
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:23:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Here's a very thorough book on the USS Liberty attack that is a must read for anyone remotely interested in this subject! [url]http://www.brasseysinc.com/Books/157488414X.htm[/url] Be warned, however, that this former US Naval aviator comes up with the conclusion that the attack was a tragic mistake! Eric The(EvenHanded)Hun[>]:)]
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Quoted from Eric's link:
Inquiries conducted in both the United States and Israel attributed the event to faulty communications and tragic error, but survivors remain outspoken and not alone in their belief that the Israelis acted deliberately.
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Eric - YOu weren't there. This author wasn't there. But to the man, the men that WERE there beleive it was intentional. Let's see - who should I beleive???? [rolleyes] More material from Eric'link:
That both the United States and Israel kept much of the data concerning the incident classified for more than ten years served only to fuel the fires of intrigue and charges of conspiracy to cover up the truth, but since the incident significant portions of most of the official inquiries have now been declassified. Cristol draws on these, documents recently obtained by him through the Freedom of Information Act
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SOooooo...... Since the US gov't, who covered up the whole incident in the first place saying it was an accident, produced some now declassified documents that indicate it was an accident, yer telling us those documents prove something???? You MUST HAVE worked on the OJ defense team. Would you find documents that OJ produced to be excuplatory of OJ in the killing of his wife???? Like I say, if yer boss knew of the crap you spew here, he's either fire you, or give you a huge pay raise and promotion. SHeesh. So you produced a book that supports the other side. Big deal. People with their heads outside Sharone's sphincter know what happened. Why don't you come out and join us???? The view, AND the air, is much better. [}:D]
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:23:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but James Bamford is not my idea of an unbiased writer when it comes to Israel. Eric The(EyesWide-Open)Hun[>]:)]
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E.T. HUN, I understand your dilemma. The message and the fact that 34 AMERICAN sailors are DEAD is unassailable. Your only remaining course of action is to attack the messenger. --------------------------------------------- ".....we got hit by the (ISRAELI) torpedo and it's like a giant grabbed the ship and threw it.......and right afterwards they called [prepare to] abandon ship." Excerpted from: Body of Secrets; Bamford, James; Doubleday 2001; Page 217
Link Posted: 5/6/2002 7:26:29 AM EDT
Post from Minman72 -
Sometimes you have to step back from your ally when their actions are this aggregious.
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If I thought that Israel had deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, I would feel as you do. But I don't. So [u]why[/u] do you believe they attacked the USS LIberty in the first place? What did they possibly hope to gain by attacking the ship of a friendly nation? Eric The(Investigative)Hun[>]:)]
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