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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:43:18 PM EDT
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If the water table is close enough to the surface, say 30' or less you can pound your own well. Go to a hardware store or look in a Granger catalog and get a well point, uaually 1 1/4" and a drive cap. Pound away. I've done several. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:44:30 PM EDT
[#2]
I suggest a shovel.
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:45:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Looking for a little more detail, ie the Idiots Guide To Pounding.
Pound with what for instance. Would love a basic step by step as you seem to know the subject. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:46:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: I suggest a shovel. Sgtar15 Not sure how I'd connect a electric sprinkle pump to a big ass hole... |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:56:23 PM EDT
[#5]
Quoted: Quoted: I suggest a shovel. Sgtar15 Not sure how I'd connect a electric sprinkle pump to a big ass hole... Well, first you'd have to knock him out or tie him down, I'd think. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:57:46 PM EDT
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Quoted: Looking for a little more detail, ie the Idiots Guide To Pounding. Pound with what for instance. Would love a basic step by step as you seem to know the subject. We made a tool for the job. Took about 3' of 1" rod (slips into pipe as a guide)and welded it to whatever heavy piece of steel we could find (40-50 lbs) added a couple of handles for two person operation. Start the well point, add a length of 1 1/4" pipe, screw on the hardened drive coupling,lift and insert the driver/guide rod into pipe, you and helper lift and drop weight until you need to add another piece of pipe ;) You have to have some sort of platform to work from since you will be driving long lengths of pipe into the ground. (we just stood on the tailgate of a truck). I'd add more, but I hate to type ;) |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 2:58:46 PM EDT
[#7]
A lot of "rent all" type places can set you up with the stuff to pound your own. (a tool like he described above)
You need to buy a sand point which is like section of pipe with a tough tip that allows water to seep into it. You can start driving that thing down into the ground and then attach sections of pipe as it goes down. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:02:18 PM EDT
[#8]
I am confussed. Do you want to "dig a well" or "Pound your own"? Each thing involves two completely differant tools......unless you know something I don't.[;)]
Sgtar15 |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:07:05 PM EDT
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BTW, your other option is to install an underground cistern and run all your rain gutters into it. Large plastic tanks are not that expensive any more. Drop in a submersable pump and away you go. H'mmm, edited to add that you must add an overflow to the cistern tank for periods of heavy rain. My neighbor pipes the runoff from his house, three car garage and a 40X60 pole barn into a 2k gal tank. Uses this for everything except drinking water. He made a large underground sand filter for the incoming water. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:07:23 PM EDT
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MY GOD MAN....!!!
you live in Fla., when i lived there, Wellborn, we had water 4 feet under our toesies.... a shovel is useless in Fla. the sides will cave in faster than you'll be able to shovel...... pounding in a well point takes lots of muscle & at least a 12 lb. sledge hammer..... my uncle drilled a well near Live Oak using a portable drilling machine he rented..., but, that was 30+ years ago............ |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:09:38 PM EDT
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I help out in 1.3G professional fireworks shows. We made a rig that uses black powder to drive the 3"-6"x 2foot mortars into the ground. No digging required. I suppose I could adapt it for SA needs [:D]
Seriously, if you can get away with a sand-point in your area, this is what we did. The redneck way of driving a well. Purchase the pipe and sandpoint Rent the tripod and driving weights Set up the rig Weld two 10” truck wheels together, make sure to retain access to the lugs on the inner wheel Jack up your full-size 4x4 about 15ft from the rig Remove the front wheel, disconnect PS belt, lock steering wheel. Install redneck welded wheel Put in 4x4 low and bump up the idle Run the rope from the rig to the wheel. Wrap the rope around 3x. Pull out slack to lift driving weights, relax to release. We pounded 115’ of pipe in. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:54:37 PM EDT
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Waldo, I'm gonna go look for a well point and drive cap this weekend.
However, I don't have a means to weld pipe, etc. Get me through this and your next gun is at cost... And the underground water collection system is WAY beyond me. I may have to do this alone BUT I do own a sledge hammer. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 3:55:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Maybe you can rent a Hydra Drill from somewhere [url]http://www.deeprock.com/hydra%20drill%20main.htm[/url] Well tutorial online: [url]http://www.lifewater.ca/ndexdril.htm[/url] Already looked into that. No DICE. Can't find a rental driller anywhere. A few services, but you gotta do code and zoning, etc. I'm thinking Saturday job. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:04:22 PM EDT
[#14]
Hey Steyr, where in FL do you live? I've been known to work for beer............
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:07:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Fill a 2 liter pop bottle with gasoline, or gun powder (your choice)... seal it off... then poke a hole in the cap, and stick a fuse in there.
Burry the pop bottle in the dirt until it's covered but you can still see the fuse... Light the fuse and run... That outta give you a nice big hole! |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:12:08 PM EDT
[#16]
Quoted: I don't have a means to weld pipe You don't have to weld it, it's only 1 1/4" pipe, threaded in standard 8' lengths (Home Depot/Lowes type pipe) And the underground water collection system is WAY beyond me. It's actually the better and simpler system, just have to hire a backhoe to bury the tank, the rest is just feeding the pipe from your gutters to the tank, no need for a filter for the lawn. You're going to need a pump of some kind no matter what system you decide on using. Personally, I would do the above if I were in your place. You'll also have to check on local ords,,, cistern might be the only way you can go in some locals. I may have to do this alone BUT I do own a sledge hammer. That makes it much harder (10lbs VS 40-50 lbs) Good luck BTW, thanks for the offer, but I get all new guns at dealer cost from one of the gun clubs I belong to. (Membership has it's benefits, as they say) |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:22:24 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted: Hey Steyr, where in FL do you live? I've been known to work for beer............ Boward County |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:23:03 PM EDT
[#18]
If you put a plastic tank for a cistern in the ground, I think you have to build a concrete wall around it or it will "float" out of the ground during periods of monsoon.
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:24:18 PM EDT
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I lived in Fla most of my life and being an Environmental Engineer have put in hundreds of wells for remediation purposes. I also have tried to put in wells for water supply purposes on my own land.
Be careful of trying to "pound" a well. You will work like a SOB and never get the yield you want. There are two sources of groundwater in Florida. The Surficial Aquifer and the Floridian Aquifer. Pounding a well will only get you to the surfical. The water able will rise and fall with the rainy season. It will provide good yield during the wet months when you don't need it and it will provide poor yields in the dry season when you really need it. For a reliable source you really need to go down to the Floridian (in Central and North Fla) aquifer to get any reliable yield. Unless you live next to a swamp that is wet during the dry season I would not waste my time putting in a shallow well. The best thing is to hire a well digger. They know the underground hydrology for your area and can put in something that will work. Otherwise you will be spending several weekends busting your balls and not having a well that will keep your lawn from dying. (I'm speaking from experience) They also know to develop a well so that the yield will be adequate. You should be able to get a well with pump for about 2.5-3K. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:31:29 PM EDT
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I would think you would have to check your city codes to see if you can drill a new well. Where i live you can use an old well that is allready grandfathered in,but no new wells. If you can do it a well digger here charges about 5.00 a foot,caseing gravel, and I had to go 200ft to get good water.
The rental jobs (that you say you can't get)don't really drill a large enough hole for you to put a 3/4 to 1hp sub pump into anyway. Same would probably be true for anything you could drive into the ground with a sledge. With a pro well digger you would be promoting the local econo plus end up with a 4inch well caseing with alum cap to cover your pvc,or black pipe and elec line to your sub pump. And then you got to think about all the work you are putting on the guy(bet thats not you)that has to cut all this green stuff you will promote. But then again breeze over amber waves of grain is much better than sand blowing into your steyraugs. Just a thought. Bob [^] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:33:03 PM EDT
[#21]
Flash66, sounds like I'm back to spending buttloads of cash hiring somebody.
Plus I'm not even sure I could get zoning approval to hire professionals. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:39:12 PM EDT
[#22]
Simple. Move to a more conducive clime. Else forego the lawn option, and improvise, conducive to the NATIVE climate.
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:45:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Where do you live? It should not be problem. If I remember correctly the Water Management Districts did not require a permit for wells for home water supply.
Again, if the water is avaiable then these well diggers with the right rig can do it very cheap. If you live in Central Florida I can give you a couple of names. I'm talking rednecks from Bartow with low overhead rates. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 4:54:57 PM EDT
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RAF Thats not what makes things the way they are. When people just conform to their exsisting peramitors they never challenge just go with the flow,and those that challenge and try to make the world revolve around their needs are the real earth shakers.
These are the people that bring about change,can't jump out of a moving plane,well dupont proved us wrong, In reply about the Fla problem of water, Drill you a well Aug I think its good to Dream ,maybe you can just do it. I'm rooting for you,I'll pen-pay you ten bucks, Go for it! Bob [smoke] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Quoted: Where do you live? It should not be problem. If I remember correctly the Water Management Districts did not require a permit for wells for home water supply. Again, if the water is avaiable then these well diggers with the right rig can do it very cheap. If you live in Central Florida I can give you a couple of names. I'm talking rednecks from Bartow with low overhead rates. South Florida. Broward County. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 5:05:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: RAF Thats not what makes things the way they are. When people just conform to their exsisting peramitors they never challenge just go with the flow,and those that challenge and try to make the world revolve around their needs are the real earth shakers. These are the people that bring about change,can't jump out of a moving plane,well dupont proved us wrong, In reply about the Fla problem of water, Drill you a well Aug I think its good to Dream ,maybe you can just do it. I'm rooting for you,I'll pay-pay you ten bucks, Go for it! Bob [smoke] Bob, I agree. But here we're talking about a lawn rather than building a dam. Dfferent responses for different circumstances. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:17:36 PM EDT
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Don't you guys have lawns in rhode I, To me my lawn is the only lawn that counts. We (you moderators) keep slamming Aug about posts with no real matter and then when he posts one that does mean something(with out panty hose I might add) You tell him (unquote) If you elect to live in the barron waist then so be it.
This all goes back to I believe that none of you guys actually have children,and I may be wrong here. When you(moderators) parents have children,and the children(members) squable,fight and in general just pinch each other at every avalible chance, how do you handle this in the real world. Well you have two children that just won't leave each other alone,you lose your cool tell them to just leave each other alone, and steyr just don't look at ussar,and ussar don't look at steyr. And I've looked back at many posts and have seen where Anti just jumped in to start that open wound up,and steyr did just as child would do and the war was on. If you substitute the word child with man then you get the same reaction, And men as with children,and as dogs get real wild with the electronic eye contact. So why don't we just quit pokeing each other and needing old dad(moderator)to come in and call the whole picnick off. So Tim I really don't know you,but I have seen your contibutions to the BRC ,and know you really care about others. And steyr you are a very articulate and verbose(one is pretty much of the other),but with guys like you,and Tim you must be kept stored apart much like lighted matches and gasoline. So when you guys get together you will most likely need a mod(fire-unit) to quelch the flames. So Anti please keep your match,away from Augs gasoline. Thanx Bob [:D] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:24:33 PM EDT
[#28]
Uh, what the hell was that about?
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:24:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: I suggest a shovel. Sgtar15 Ditto |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:25:19 PM EDT
[#30]
Wait, what the hell happened?!?
It was like a simple "home improvement" post and now it's a ruckus... |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:32:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Not a rukas just a post to you should live in whats avalible, and a simple observance.
Bob [argue] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:42:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Steyr, you live between 1-2 hours south of me. In your area you can probably get fair water at 40' and ample water at 75'. I would ask several commercial drillers for an estimate. If you have a couple of friends, you can pound a well in less than a day's work. If you can rent a rig, make a party of it. Fire up the grill or smoker and have a blast.
A commercial guy will probably want to install the pump. If you do it on your own, you can pick up a shallow well pump at one of the box/builder stores. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 6:42:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Not a rukas just a post to you should live in whats avalible, and a simple observance. Bob [argue] Did somebody post something then delete it? If not I'm totally confused. I didn't take issue with ANYONE for any reason on this topic. Just trying to get some assistance on a home project like many other AR15.commers do every day. Just trying to figure out why moderator (Dad) said he had to come here and break something up... What did I miss? Can't leave this board for a minute, damn. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 7:12:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Well if I confused steryaug isn't that like counting coupe on an apache?
If you need help on your well ,let me know. bob [beer] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 7:19:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Now let me ask a very basic (ie stupid) question.
As I understand it I'm hammering a pipe or similar object into the ground to a depth of 75' and then gonna replace (?) the object with a pipe with a 4" diameter (?). Now the open end of the pipe down there at 75', will it be in some kind of unlimited subteranian supply of water? I once heard you have to run a hose down the pipe to kind of blow the area out and create a pooling area for water. |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 7:41:01 PM EDT
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Dood!!!!!!! You ain't going to four inches unless you need mucho water. In that case, start heading to the 300 foot mark. Inch and a half or so is what you will be working with. Hit Google and do a search, or talk to one of the local pounders.
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Posted: 5/3/2002 7:44:50 PM EDT
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Scrubj Has the right answer you can have the well drilled or blown in,then you can put in any kind of pump you want,where i live its got to be sub, wont freeze. Where you live it could be a jet-pump but would take up a lot of above ground space. But the driller doesn't have to install the pump or the supply line as you can do all of this yourself
Unless you are really lucky you won't have an artisian well and you will have to pump it to your grass. Find a good well driller and talk barter maybe,then the only cost will be the pump.pipe,elect line,breakers so on. You didn't miss anything,I just wanted to draw attention that you do post useful posts. But you could put panty-hose on your well cap to keep grass clippings out of the alum cap when mowing. Bob [:)] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 8:04:11 PM EDT
[#38]
If you go 1 inch or 1and1/2 you will need a jet punp to pick up the water and disperse it where you need it,that will need a foot valve which will be bigger than 1and 1/2 inches. My question is how are you going to get this foot valve and pipe down this small hole? Well i quess the foot valve is not all that big.
But if you have to pay to blow this well in why not make it something you could hook your generator up to and have water when others don't. Anyway talk to plenty others that do this kind of thing,then get their thoughts. They have their licenc and will try to sell you extra mags,.ect. Bob [:D] |
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Posted: 5/3/2002 11:32:24 PM EDT
[#39]
OK is there a standard pipe diameter for most well pumps?
I'm gonna use electric and just need it for a sprinkler system. And I still didn't get a answer on if I have to blow the area out with a hose where the pipe is underground. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 1:32:24 AM EDT
[#40]
Here's what my Dad did(He lives in Orlando).He wanted a shallow well for his garden.Take a piece of 1"or 1 1/4" PVC pipe,cut 1 end of the pipe at an angle so you have a point,with fittings attach water hose to other end of pipe,turn water on,start shoving pipe in the ground.At 30' he hit water.He said he could tell when he hit a pocket of water when it got easy to push the pipe.
Rather than try to stand up a full 20' piece of pipe I guess you'd want to cut it into 10' sections and coupling as you go.After he did this,install pump & check valve and he was in business. In Orlando there is no hardpan on the east side of town,it's all sand so this is easy. Now let's talk about that "At Cost".... |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 1:46:43 AM EDT
[#41]
I suggest a horizontal bore to an adjacent neighbors water supply. This is best done after the sun sets. [}:D]
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Posted: 5/4/2002 9:07:17 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted: Here's what my Dad did(He lives in Orlando).He wanted a shallow well for his garden.Take a piece of 1"or 1 1/4" PVC pipe,cut 1 end of the pipe at an angle so you have a point,with fittings attach water hose to other end of pipe,turn water on,start shoving pipe in the ground.At 30' he hit water.He said he could tell when he hit a pocket of water when it got easy to push the pipe. Rather than try to stand up a full 20' piece of pipe I guess you'd want to cut it into 10' sections and coupling as you go.After he did this,install pump & check valve and he was in business. In Orlando there is no hardpan on the east side of town,it's all sand so this is easy. [i]Now let's talk about that "At Cost".... [/i] If that works, we'll talk. Seems reasonable. Can I use 1" OR 1 1/4" and still attach ANY pump? How to the pumps attach to the PVC pipe anyway? And when I get to around 30' do I have to blow the area out or will I hit some kind of unlimited supply of water? |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 9:29:59 AM EDT
[#43]
Before you go through the considerable sweat and expense that GreyGhost suggested you should give SWFWMD a call. Ask to speak to a staff geologist. They can tell you three important things you need to know before you go to work:
1. How far down is the water table in your area 2. What is the expected yield for the size pipe and pump. 3. Will you encounter hard pan (like limestone which makes for a very hard job). The hard thing is not hitting water. It is getting enough coming through the well to constantly supply 5-10 sprinklers. The factors that effect that are: Size of the pump Diameter of pipe Availability of water at the source Do a little homework with SWFWMD and it may save you a lot of trouble. However, I still say he best thing to do is call up a redneck well driller with low overhead and have him do for you. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:12:04 AM EDT
[#44]
What is SWFWMD?
I should mention, several of my neighbors have wells for their sprinkler systems so I know it can be done. I just gotta get to it and hook it up correctly. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:16:21 AM EDT
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Quoted: What is SWFWMD? I think I've seen that in the personal ads: single white female with mental disorder. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:27:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Southwest Florida Water Management District.
..xeriscape man, Xeriscape ! [url]http://sjr.state.fl.us/programs/outreach/conservation/landscape/landscape.html[/url] |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:34:32 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted: Quoted: What is SWFWMD? I think I've seen that in the personal ads: single white female with mental disorder. Hahahhaha You guys kill me! |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:50:24 AM EDT
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bobbyjack, things are different here in FL. You don't need more than inch and a half pipe for a well, and our valve goes on the top, not at the bottom. Steyr, how long you live down there? You gotta have a friend/neighbor that has a well, ask them about what it cost. My next door neighbor just had their well done for a grand including pump.
You use a screw by slip fitting to connect to your pump. Install the pvc fitting to the pump then glue to the rest of your pipe work. |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 11:59:08 AM EDT
[#49]
I suggest a horizontal bore to an adjacent neighbors water supply. This is best done after the sun sets. osprey21, that's short, simple, and funny as hell! [:D] |
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Posted: 5/4/2002 12:07:57 PM EDT
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Getting tired of buying a new lawn every year... SA, this isn't residual damage from dynamite, is it? [i](Moles are people too, you know!)[/i] |
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