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Posted: 4/27/2002 7:10:20 PM EDT
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This surprises you?
There are quite a few AR15.com'ers who are democrats and regulars over there. Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative--when you factor out the leadership, all those labels pretty much come down to one thing: American. Yup. they've got slightly different points of view, and vote for candidates who have planks in their platform we abhor--but that's because their priorities are different. In the end, they're more like us than some of our more conservative members would care to admit. And for the record: The 2000 election (their biggest topic over there) was, in the end, a coin flip. I honestly believe we'll never truly know who "won," and note that WE would still be screaming the way some of them are if the courts had called Al Gore the winner. |
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Posted: 4/27/2002 7:10:43 PM EDT
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[i]We'll[/i] kill anyone??????? Obviously, they haven't check Klinton's body count lately.
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Posted: 4/27/2002 7:18:03 PM EDT
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how can you read that kind of crap? i can't even get past the paragraph calling republicans liars, murderers, and bigots. ugh! what stupidity.
Zak, i gotta disagree with you. i don't mind democrats, but i abso-fuckin'-lutely hate liberals. and rarely do i find one that isn't the other. there is no comparison between a liberal and a conservative. i won't even tarnish the title american by even considering that liberals are such. to my way of thinking, they'll pull this country down and apart just as fast as their little money-grubbing hands and feeble little minds can. they are as far from the ideals and principles this nation was founded upon as any other group out there. if they are the measure of an american, i'm ashamed to be one. |
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Posted: 4/27/2002 7:24:33 PM EDT
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Zak, I don't know if you read it, but here is an excerpt:
But in our righteous loathing of the enemies of freedom, we should never lose sight of what our vision of America (and the world) is, how we can best preserve it and strengthen it for future battles. We need only to clarify what that vision is and present it in a simple, straightforward way in order to reach the widest audience. So exactly what is it, then, that we stand for? The first thing we stand for is freedom, not just the freedom to speak our minds, but the freedom to act on our beliefs. The freedom to worship as we see fit, or not to worship anything at all. The freedom to have any kind of relationship we want with other consenting adults, be it political, financial, or sexual. The freedom to serve our country, whether it be in the military or as a public servant, or not to serve it at all. These freedoms are not exclusive to a particular race, religion, or group of people, they belong to everyone. |
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Posted: 4/27/2002 8:20:22 PM EDT
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Fanatics.... I hate fanatics.
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Posted: 4/28/2002 4:25:16 AM EDT
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heh democratic underground the only site ive had the honor of being banned 5 times from
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Posted: 4/28/2002 4:52:40 AM EDT
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Man, I've not read that much mindless boilerplate in a long time. "It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying
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Posted: 4/28/2002 5:59:04 AM EDT
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Have to agree with AR Lady....I don`t even put this useless crap in my head...these escapees from toonville are just a radical bunch of trouble causers that do not represent the democrat voters of this country.......reminds me of certain radical protest groups of the sixties.....if they didn`t have a war to protest.....they would find another venue.....and if they were so damned correct and effective...why are we suffering the effects of so much toxicity in our envioronment right now?......there`s ALWAYS a cynic...it does`nt matter WHAT the subject is......[dracula]
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Posted: 4/28/2002 6:24:16 AM EDT
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The second thing we stand for is responsibility, not just for ourselves and our well-being, but for the well-being of the community at large: from the local school district, the nation, to the world as a whole. We must recognize that we are more than just entities unto ourselves, but a part of a vast and complex world, and that everything we do affects the world we live in in some way, and to use the freedoms we so greatly value to ensure that future generations will be able to have that freedom. We are for responsibility except when it comes for personal defense, AIDS, abortion, welfare, crime .... |
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Posted: 4/28/2002 6:40:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative--when you factor out the leadership, all those labels pretty much come down to one thing: American. Sigh. And this is why the left will eventually win. As a former leftist, I can assure you that leftist viewpoints in mainstream American thought are not simply an artifact of the leadership chosen. They form a parallel culture, countervailing, by design, against non-statist thought. And these ideas are [i]believed[/i] by roughly half the public. The leadership reflects those trends, not the other way around. The differences in values, goals, and visions are too stark to deny this any longer. Many Americans actually have a significant amount of Marxist leanings, though most aren't able to identify them as such - or worse, foresee their consequences. Sometimes I wish I'd remained on the left - believing in that garbage, blissfuly ignorant. I slept a lot better back then. |
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Posted: 4/28/2002 6:47:39 AM EDT
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After reading all of the replies, I am going to save myself the pain of reading the article.
Tyler |
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Posted: 4/28/2002 6:54:45 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative--when you factor out the leadership, all those labels pretty much come down to one thing: American. Sigh. And this is why the left will eventually win. As a former leftist, I can assure you that leftist viewpoints in mainstream American thought are not simply an artifact of the leadership chosen. They form a parallel culture, countervailing, by design, against non-statist thought. And these ideas are [i]believed[/i] by roughly half the public. The leadership reflects those trends, not the other way around. The differences in values, goals, and visions are too stark to deny this any longer. Many Americans actually have a significant amount of Marxist leanings, though most aren't able to identify them as such - or worse, foresee their consequences. Sometimes I wish I'd remained on the left - believing in that garbage, blissfuly ignorant. I slept a lot better back then. |
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