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Posted: 4/26/2002 10:58:16 PM EDT
They claim that I'm violent, just cause I refuse to be silent These hypocrites are havin fits, cause I'm not buyin it Defyin it, envious because I will rebel against any oppressor, and this is known as self defense I show no mercy, they claim that I'm the lunatic But when the shit gets thick, I'm the one you go and get Don't look confused, the truth is so plain to see Cause I'm the nigga that you sell-outs are ashamed to be In every Jeep and every car, brothers stomp this I'm Never Ignorant, Getting Goals Accomplished The underground railroad on an uprise This time the truth's gettin told, heard enough lies I told em fight back, attack on society If this is violence, then violent's what I gotta be If you investigate you'll find out where it's comin from Look through our history, America's the violent one Unlock my brain, break the chains of your misery This time the payback for evil shit you did to me They call me militant, racist cause I will resist You wanna censor somethin, motherfucker censor this! My words are weapons, and I'm steppin to the silent Wakin up the masses, but you, claim that I'm violent The cops can't stand me, but they can't touch me Call me a dope man, cause I rock dope beats Jacked by the police, didn't have my ID I said, "Excuse me, why you tryin to rob me?" He had tha nerve to, say that I had a curfew "Get out the car... or I'lI hurt you" So here I go, I better make my mind up Pick my nine up, or hit the line-up I chose B, stepped into the streets The first cop grabbed me, the other ripped my seat They grabbed my homie and they threw him to the concrete They tried to frame me They tried to say I had some dope in the back seat But I'm a rap fiend, not a crack fiend My homie panicked he tried to run I heard a bullet fire from the cop's gun My homie dropped so, I hit the cop I kept swingin, yo, I couldn't stop Before I knew it, I was beatin the cop senseless The other cop dropped his gun, he was defenseless Now I'm against this cop who was racist Given him a taste, of tradin places And all this, cause the peckerwood was tryin this frame up, but I came up Now they claimin that I'm violent As I was beatin on a cop, I heard a gun click Then the gun shot, but I wasn't hit I turned around it was my homie with the gun in hand He shot the cop, now he's a dead man I said, come on, it's time for us to get away They called for backup, and they'll be on their way Jumped in the car, and tried to get away quick The car wouldn't start, we in deep shit So we jumped out (C'mon let's take the cop's car) We drove a little ways thinkin that we got far But I looked up, and all I saw was blue lights If I die tonight, I'm dying in a gunfight I grabed the AK, my homie took the 12 gauge Load em up quick, it's time for us to spray We'll shoot em up with they own fuckin weapons And when we through sprayin then we steppin This is a lesson, to the rednecks and crooked cops You fuck with real niggaz, get ya fuckin ass dropped So here we go, the police against us Dark as dusk, waitin for the guns to bust What's next, I don't know and I don't care One things fo' sho', tommorrow I won't be here But if I go, I'm takin all these punks with me Pass me a clip G, now come and get me You wanna sweat me, never get me to be silent Givin 'em a reason, to claim that I'm violent...
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:05:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:05:51 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:16:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:50:31 PM EDT
Just to make sure we all understand..... Tupac Shakur is one of the "top 5 people you admire"? This explains a lot.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:55:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stealth: Tupac Shakur is one of the "top 5 people you admire"?
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Yes, he advocates self-defense, and he doesn't lick boots.
Link Posted: 4/26/2002 11:57:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 12:06:46 AM EDT
He knew he was going to die young. He taught a lot of people that they do not have to lick the boots of oppressors claiming authority.
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Link Posted: 4/27/2002 12:19:20 AM EDT
His culture of violence was perpetrated in part by the crooked members of the LAPD. I don't think he was stupid. He valued his cause more than his own life, and his work made him the richest and most listened to rapper in history. The money and his message live on, and that's what he cared about most.
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How do you plead Mr. Shakur, how do you plead? Not guilty on the grounds of insanity it was them or me Bustin at my innocent family, say they lookin for ki's I was home alone, blind to the prelude Bust in, talkin bout, "Where is the quaaludes?" What you say fool? Where in the hell is the search warrant? No feedback is what he uttered, before he screamed "Nigga motherfucker" Dropped me to my knees I proceed to bleed Sufferin a rain of blows to my hands and knees Will I survive, is God watchin? I grab his gat and bust in self-defense, my only option, God damn Now they got me goin to the county jail And my family can't pay this outrageous bail Try to offer me a deal, they told me if I squeal move me, and my people, to a mansion in Brazil Not me, so this is how it ends, no friends I'll be stressed and they just, reposessed my Benz Told the judge it was self-defense, he won't listen So I'm bumpin this in federal prison, givin everything I owe
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 12:27:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 12:28:57 AM EDT by Blaze-Of-Glory]
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: What was his cause?
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People should defend themselves.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 12:29:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:00:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: note to self: using song lyrics as a rebuttal is not a viable debate tool.
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Our posts crosses. I followed up with a rebuttal in standard form. Please retract.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:07:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:31:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 1:46:38 AM EDT by Blaze-Of-Glory]
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: LOL "Please retract". Tupac Shakur, as I understand it, was a pretty intelligent person. He most likely recognized the scale and nature of the problem, and how to solve it. Did he have the opportunity and the stature to be able to attempt to put a halt to the pointless East Coast vs West Coast gang warfare?
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In the lyrics I've heard, he exacerbated the East/West Coast fued. In an interview, he said it was all in fun. I view his contribution to this fued as a shortcoming in someone who was far more intelligent than I'll ever be.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:35:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:52:06 AM EDT
At the time he fueled the East/West fued, he already had survived a murder attempt ordered by the East Coast rappers. I'd be pissed too. I'm sorry the man died young, but I don't consider it a waste. His early death arguably increased his voice.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 1:54:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 2:29:51 AM EDT
What I can see closer to achieve In times of danger don't freeze, time to be a G Follow my lead I'll supply everything you need An ounce of game and the trainin to make a G Remember me, as an outcast Outlaw Another album out, that's what I'm about, more Gettin raw 'til the day I see my casket Buried as a G while the whole world remembers me
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 2:33:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 2:46:44 AM EDT
You talk about tupac but nothing of biggie small,did you nod off in the middle of E. And everything else you post is about something you just saw on the history channel that day. Yes i guess I would be oppressed by the man if I were dealing crack,and running hoes. And I guess the cop killer song was just okay because of what? Every post is about things that attract (your posts that is) silent nazi robot mods. On some of these boards they have (non human)robot moderators that just pick up key words,you can get around them buy just not spelling the whole word.ie shit would be sh/t. So don't you think the GOV has the same thing,or maybe more case sensitive ,always here and other gun forums. Maybe more than just a robot. You post that the FBI is wanting to talk to you or your friends,wonder why? On 4/23/02 You reply to citadel Quote. ( Your naive outlook worries me I know of 100 inexpensive ways a motivated person easily could cause enormous damage to the american population!) You think that the FBI would need a Rhodes scholar to put those words together to target you as a threat of some kind? We all have the history channel,and E as well so please don't give me a rehash as Tupac was not the cure,he was the disease. bob [;d]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 2:51:07 AM EDT
G= Ganster [50]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 3:01:36 AM EDT
He was a punk. Shit ain't music.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 3:10:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 3:25:01 AM EDT
How could this guy admire that piece of crap Tupac? And it is right to say that rap isn't music. Rap is just rhyming mixed with music that is sampled aka stolen from real artists. But Willie Nelson and Waylon Jennings? Give me the Who, Stones, or Led Zeppelin any day!!
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 3:28:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 3:37:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 3:55:26 AM EDT by bobbyjack]
Yeah I been to the winchester slop-chute too. And don't forget Jerry Jeff Walker,Redbone,bosyphus,yea alan and the whole damn bunch. Just play me a rambling song,and put a cold one in my hand cause I get(time for beer-slayer to come in). Yeah piss on old burning fairy, I mean blazing glory. Bob [beer] [beer] And hanks songs allways make me feel looww down. edited because when I [beer] I can't spell!
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 4:54:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: ...... somebody put on Willie Nelson or Waylon Jennings. That is REAL music.
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Outlaw music ??
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 5:34:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: He knew he was going to die young. He taught a lot of people that they do not have to lick the boots of oppressors claiming authority.
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But according to your "survival of the fittest" viewpoint, IF your "oppressor" can brutalize and beat the people into submission, that's fine. That fits within your definition of "moral" behavior.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 5:59:49 AM EDT
I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 6:02:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, you in the LEO bidness ??
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 6:11:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, you in the LEO bidness ??
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No, but I thought maybe this guy BOG was talking about was a ninja, like him... These guys are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet. [img]http://realultimatepower.schmim.com/ninjaparty.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.realultimatepower.net/[/url]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 6:35:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, you in the LEO bidness ??
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No, but I thought maybe this guy BOG was talking about was a ninja, like him...
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Question was not related to the topic. (I should have made that clear.)
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 6:45:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, you in the LEO bidness ??
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No, but I thought maybe this guy BOG was talking about was a ninja, like him...
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Question was not related to the topic. (I should have made that clear.)
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No, far from it! Why do you ask?
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 6:52:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: I live in Willie's hometown.
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You talking about that tiny place on 35?
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 7:54:54 AM EDT
Tupac wasn't he the guy, who despite a complete lack of education and with very few redeemable qualities, still became a millionaire and a celebrity and then continued to talk about racism and being held down by the man? And yet who shot him?
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:28:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: Tupac wasn't he the guy, who despite a complete lack of education and with very few redeemable qualities, still became a millionaire and a celebrity and then continued to talk about racism and being held down by the man?
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That's the guy! [kill]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:34:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: Tupac wasn't he the guy, who despite a complete lack of education and with very few redeemable qualities, still became a millionaire and a celebrity and then continued to talk about racism and being held down by the man? And yet who shot him?
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Complete lack of education? No, he was well-read and obviously literate. I agree, after he got rich, instead of retiring he continued spending his time working to educate people still being held down by the crooked elements of law enforcement and judiciary.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:37:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, your hijacking skills have been proven repeatedly on AR15.com. Any plans to take them to the air?
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:45:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By DScott: I heard he would just flip out and kill people, chopping their heads off. Is this the same guy?
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DScott, your hijacking skills have been proven repeatedly on AR15.com. Any plans to take them to the air?
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[evil ninja look] BWAHAHA! [/evil ninja look] Wait!! Why does that make me feel like flipping out??? This is getting wierd... And then, this: [img]http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/ninjalesson.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:45:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: DScott, your hijacking skills have been proven repeatedly on AR15.com. Any plans to take them to the air?
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Nah, he's a liberal, you'd have to offer him a subsidy of some kind to make that happen. [;)]
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:47:58 AM EDT
This would be 2Pac, the lifelong Crips member, general dirtbag and self-proclaimed "thug-for-life?" Good riddance. He was a miserable excuse for a human being and he never did any "good" works.His whining about racism and law enofrcement? "Racism" obviously did not prevent him from making a lot of money, and of course an acknowledged member of a criminal street gang is going to view law enforcement as the enemy. That's okay. The feeling is mutual.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:49:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: But according to your "survival of the fittest" viewpoint, IF your "oppressor" can brutalize and beat the people into submission, that's fine. That fits within your definition of "moral" behavior.
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I don't shake my finger at LAPD members who break the law. I think of them as not evil, just humans with firepower stealing from other humans. Within the context of survival-the-fittest, I'm interested in alliances of humans who agree not to initiate force, but are willing to use force in self-defense. Tupac advocated force for self-defense, not for LAPD-style aggression.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:52:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 8:54:58 AM EDT by SteyrAUG]
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Complete lack of education? No, he was well-read and obviously literate. I agree, after he got rich, instead of retiring he continued spending his time working to educate people still being held down by the crooked elements of law enforcement and judiciary.
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No I stand by my "complete lack of education" evaluation. I'm sure I know far more about Tupac than you, and the related Biggie Smalls incident. Tupac was NOT that bright, and being able to read does NOT make one educated. If you want INTELLIGENT UC artists who advocate common sense, look to MixALot. First thing he did was move the fuck out of the ghetto. Also owns a shitload of serious firearms that most here would love to have. A SML quote... "Being "black" or "down with the hood" is bullshit. It is a trap set by black people for black people because misery and the ghetto loves company. White people don't worry about being white, or being "down with the white man." They live where they want to live and do what they want to do, and THAT is freedom. That is what Martin Luther King was talking about." Tupac by comparisson did very little for anyone. Except for the example of money and success still cannot provide intelligence. Tupac lived his life for himself not for others. He was reckless and it bit him on the ass.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 8:58:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/27/2002 9:23:23 AM EDT by Blaze-Of-Glory]
Originally Posted By bobbyjack: Yes i guess I would be oppressed by the man if I were dealing crack,and running hoes.
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If you argue that all incarcerated blacks in LA are drug dealers or pimps, you already have lost. You appear unaware of LA police/court history.
And I guess the cop killer song was just okay because of what?
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Because the cops initiated unlawful force against American citizens.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 9:03:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shooter69:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: DScott, your hijacking skills have been proven repeatedly on AR15.com. Any plans to take them to the air?
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Nah, he's a liberal, you'd have to offer him a subsidy of some kind to make that happen. [;)]
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No doubt. He cares about himself, his family, and little else. Rather than responding intelligently, he tries to obliterate discussions by injecting nonsense. Liberals are very annoying, and they will be crushed.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 9:09:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: Now that the Tupac discussion is done, somebody put on Willie Nelson or Waylon Jennings. That is REAL music.
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WAS music. For WAS people. I had the profound pleasure of seeing the Waylon Jennings funeral procession here in Phoenix. The General Lee was out front. Its nice to see Country music going away, even if its only a little bit at a time. It makes being stupid perfectly acceptable to some people. Tupac has some cool lyrics there. Too bad he chose rap as the vehicle.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 9:11:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: No I stand by my "complete lack of education" evaluation. I'm sure I know far more about Tupac than you, and the related Biggie Smalls incident. Tupac was NOT that bright, and being able to read does NOT make one educated.
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How do you mean the the term "educated"?
A SML quote... "Being "black" or "down with the hood" is bullshit. It is a trap set by black people for black people because misery and the ghetto loves company. White people don't worry about being white, or being "down with the white man."
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SML obviously has not witnessed the many AR15.com members who express how down they are with the white man.
Link Posted: 4/27/2002 9:21:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DoubleFeed: Now that the Tupac discussion is done, somebody put on Willie Nelson or Waylon Jennings. That is REAL music.
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Unfortunately when you are dealing with a [whacko] the discussion is never over. Even if he is not making sense... [stick]
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