If an American refuses to express moral condemnation of al Queda, should he be jailed?

NO

You can't tell people how to feel or what to think.  Do you have a specific example or are you just asking?

Feeling persecuted?

Poor thing.

THe corallary to "The First Amendment guarantees my freedom of speech" is that I can then criticize your position using MY First Amendment protection.

Moral relativists are confused when they espouse unpopular viewpoints and are criticized.  Nothing says you cannot be criticized, don't try to call it "censorship," either.

BTW, I can't recall anyone here saying anything about jailing or harming you.  Criticizing your thinking is an entirely different matter.

I will defend your right to say anything you want, but don't be shocked when others disagree or even ridicule you.

Comments are one thing, so I say no.  Physical or financial support is another.

Now WHO voted yes???????

Yes I was serious. Yesterday the FBI contacted my friends about me.

I'm assuming it must have something to do with my postings here.

The FBI wants to interview my friends on Monday.

Could it have anything to do with all those "machine guns" you supposedly have?

hint- post pics please.

What the hell did  you say ? Well somebody let me know the thread number of his post . You won't like talking to the FBI , at least you won't be quizzed by the NSA , I can tell you its a NO FUN situation when the feds start asking your friends questions .

"You are either with us or you are with the terrorists".

I would consider anyone who agrees with Al Queda to be extremely hostile, if not dangerous.

I'm sure I'll get branded a Nazi for that! [;)]

I also think that anyone who thinks that pedophilia is OK, is either lying, or a pedophile.

B-O-G,

You should be jailed if you are planning or have conducted violence against the US or its citizens.  Otherwise no.  This coming from a person you accused of being a nazi.  Remember that?  As I've said before, I've never murdered anyone, yet you call me a nazi.  You support people who are as close to nazi's as they can get.  What does that make you?

What dumbass voted yes?  The whole f-ing point of our freedom & tolerance is their ability not to condemn them, as opposed to our ability to do so & also mock those who don't.  C'mon now...

Jailed/killed? Hell no. Moral relativists have every right to spout their tripe.

The rest of us have every right to ridicule them mercilessly for it.

Isn't the First Amendment wonderful?

[b]I just can't imagine why the Feds want to talk to you.[/b]








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[b]Nope, I just don't see it.[/b]

While I cheered when the President made his comment ("with us or with the terrorists"), I can't support the notion of punishing someone because of their beliefs.

Pick up a rifle and shoot at us, strap a bomb to your chest and walk into a cafe, fly a plane into our buildings, give money to support these activities, shelter these people... Sure, these are all things that I think should be punished. Severely. The minute they actually do something to move their agenda forward is when they need to be punished. When they [b]act[/b] against us, we unleash the wrath of the war gods upon them.

But a moral conviction, regardless of whether I agree with it, CANNOT be punishable. Even if that conviction is as extreme as al Queda's. They believe that the US is evil and that the world should be dominated by Islam. Well, I  think they're wrong. I might argue with them. I might [b]want[/b] to beat them to a bloody pulp. But I won't because that's just not how I was raised. And I won't throw them in jail for what they think. And simply refusing to express moral condemnation (your original question) is even further from that expressly believing something. Thoughts, talk, attitudes -- all frustrating, infuriating, aggravating but not punishable.

You think they're wrong. Not surprisingly, they think you're wrong. Would you then support their right to throw you in jail or execute you because you're philosophy runs counter to theirs?

I firmly believe that the US comes from a position of moral superiority. Maybe that makes me jingoistic and chauvinistic. Tough -- it's the same thing they believe about themselves. But we didn't get to be the good guys by shooting first. We didn't get to be the good guys for killing people who don't think the way we do. We didn't get to be the good guys for forbidding freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom to assemble peacably...

I know I'm sugar-coating parts of our history. But we exist based upon a set of ideals formalized in our Constitution. And while we don't always meet that mark, we aspire to it. And that mark says that we are the good guys. Let's stay that way.

Please reread the question posed at the top of this thread.

Conceivably, but all my machineguns are legal NFA-registered.

I agree with you.

You never complain about anyone on AR15.com disagreeing with you.  You just accuse them of being nazi's.  If you haven't done anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about.  If you have done something illegal, have fun in prison.

I agree with you.

Shouldn't you have spelt that "Amerika". Heil the Republic.

[rolleyes]

I think calling someone a nazi could be construed as morally condemning someone, don't you think?  Where have I ever said the US was unbeatable?  That was your point, not mine.  So you ASSUME what other people think and believe.  That's a bad habit to get into.

Right, like the fedcoats have never unjustly imprisoned, burned, killed, or shot anyone.
I would be worried as hell if I were you.

Better put your tinfoil hat back on, cuz they're gonna come and git ya!

[peep]

I am worried as hell. Not surprised. Not un-prepared. But nervous.

Where have I ever claimed any kind of bravery?  Making things up isn't going to help your argument.    Calling people stupid doesn't help either.  Where in Palestine are these Americans that are uninvited?  Where in the world are there Americans that are uninvited?  

I find this question astounding!

The U.S. stands for personal freedoms more than any country on earth. AR15 appears dedicated to preserving those freedoms.

What's the next? Should Americans be required to take loyalty oaths – like in Catch 22?

Hopefully they aren't looking for an "example".

This is called morally condemning someone, mmkay.

Assuming you're not just jerking our collective chain here, I would suggest you get an attorney, and make him aware of everything that's going on. Have him call the Phoenix Field Office for you and find out what's going on. Hopefully, some legal representation will give them pause if they currently have plans to Randy Weaver your ass.

Buy yourself a pocket recorder and carry it with you. They will most likely not just show up at your front door, but approach you in a public place where you can't just slam the door on them (assuming they don't have a warrant.) If you're approached, tell them you want to record the proceedings. Call your attorney right away

Don't ever waive your Fifth Amendment rights. Shut your piehole. Nothing you can say will help you. It can only help them.

Assuming, of course, that you're not just jerking our collective chain here.

And if you happen to see this guy cruising your hood it's probably not a good thing...


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[puke]

Sir, I appreciate your advice;

And sir, I am not jerking anyone's chain. If I'm lying, the owners of AR15.com might justly kick me out, or call a vote to see if I should be kicked out.

Your advice about lawyers is well-received, but I will go this one alone.

What I find unfortunate is not the question, but the significant number of poll respondents who vote that speech should be answerable by incarceration/execution.

Blaze-Of-Glory,
If this is really what you wrote, then I hope the FBI finds something against you and throws you away for good. You might as well be part of Al Queda with the beliefs you have. You compare 9/11 to Hiroshima/Nagasaki and call terrorism against the US justified?! One attack was aimed at stopping a war while the other was aimed at starting one (I'll let you guess which one). Bombing Japan didn't bring nearly as many deaths as an invasion into Japan would have brought (civilian and military). Aside from that, America was regretful of the immense damage caused by the bombing, while terrorists laugh and cheer about killing thousands. How can you justify THAT? You can't. I would like to see nothing more than your terrorist friends dead. And all terrorist sympathizers SHOULD be jailed. So go to hell Blaze-Of-Glory, or just go back to your cave with your pal Bin Laden.

Wow, you are so brave!  [puke]

Yesterday you were cowering at the feet of terrorists, willing to give them anything they wanted as long as they left you and your family alone.  So you must not fear the Government nearly as much as terrorists, right?  To go this one alone?  Sounds like a line out of a really bad action movie.

You're right B 'o'G!

It seems that about 1 in 5 members of a site dedicated to Constitutional freedoms are ONLY concerned about specific bits of the Constitution and regard non-compliance to their views to be worthy of imprisonment or death.

It is appears that hypocracy and stupidity has no boundries. It also sounds a lot like Berlin 1935!

I'm confident that BOG is turning his comments into a federal issue not because he has raised a hackle in Phoenix, but because he is a bored, unemployed, sad, man who spends his days peering through the curtains at his neighbors and begging for attention on the internet.

I guess that his friends are few, if only because he turns to strangers on this site, most of whom appear to view him as a pest, for advice in a legal matter.  His alcoholic mind is looking for a way to bring a beam of light into his filthy apartment life.  This is a cry for help.  

The FBI is not coming.  This young man needs help, but I'm afraid that he won't find it here.

I agree with that.

Those AR15.com'ers who advocate violations of the 1st Amendment are crapping on the American Constitution. They are a minority, but a significant and frightening minority.

IMHO, man you are scaring me....please don't describe my life anymore.  That's creepy.

Miss Cleo could sure use your help...

IMHO, I think that you are on to something!!

[thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking][thinking]

You want to bet some money about the FBI? Any of you?

(You are attacking the person. Please re-read the topic of this thread. Please start your own thread if you wish to express your disgust for me.)

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Although I haven't got a DSM as handy as you have, I'll be sure to look up the reference when I see one on the shelf. That will help me to determine if this citation is really appropriate.
Maybe what you intended to say was that I am guilty of Argumentum ad hominem?

I think that if you got out of your dirty apartment, sobered up, and headed down to the pool; then these bathing beauties might just begin to see you as more than just a drunken, unemployed, Peeping Tom. If you approach them with respect and maybe a little wit, then you might be able to move from the drooling phase into the meeting and courtship stages. Give yourself a chance, some credit, and slap on a swimsuit. This is beginning to stray from the topic, eh? Just wanted to point out some inconsistencies.
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[To which BOG admitted:]

"I admit to suffering a dry spell at present; but when I was in the game, I found that plenty of hot chicks dig free-thinkers.

Shall we wager a 6 of Budweiser on the appropriateness of the DSM citation?"



The above "cut-and-paste" is from the last post on the thread that appears at:
[url=]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=110841&page=2[/url]  

Seems that this [i]Argumentum ad hominem[/i] defense is Blaze of Glory's only crutch, and that he fails to realize that I am attacking his claim of an investigation, and supporting the rationale behind that attack.  

It seems that the stakes have risen in Blaze-of-Glory's bets from beer to money.  What a loser.

I vote for this whole thread, this poster, and his/her antics as a super-crock... kinda like a Mega-Imbroglio.

There is no way any of this is true, and we're all having our chains yanked.

Anybody who thinks that 20% of the responders here actually think that death or incarceration is appropriate for these "offenses" is seriously deluded.  Blaze isn't the only one who likes to stir things up...

I wonder who he really is... anyone think his style sounds familiar?

Moderators, please step in.

Please direct the trolls who hate me to the Why I Hate Blaze of Glory thread.

Please set DScott straight, he is questioning the integrity of AR15.com.

DScott, how much $ you want to bet about this FBI business?

Hey, hey...those are some pretty broad based assumptions.  You never know - he might not live in an apartment.  Lotsa guys live in their parents basement.

Yeah, I'm with DScott, but I don't think that BOG has anything else to do!
I guess that I'm not a good enough sleuth to recognize style.  I hope that I never know who he (she?) is, because it hurts to know that people like this parasite exist.

Well, take a look at [url=]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=110841&page=1[/url] where this guy says that a typical "day in the life of. . . " Blaze-Of-Glory involves:

"woke up, shot 300 rounds, stared at chicks in my apartment complex's pool, drank beer, forgot to look for a job or clean my apartment, again."

That is true.  It is kind of hard to find basements in Arizona though.  They are far and few between. [peep]