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Posted: 4/23/2002 6:42:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2002 6:50:40 PM EDT by AlClenin]
[url]http://sg.news.yahoo.com/020423/1/2ogkw.html[/url]
"It's a combat for France. I'll take it to the end. And I'll win." Le Pen, a brash ex-paratrooper, added that, if that happened, [i]his first act would be a referendum on cutting France's ties with the European Union. He would then bring back the franc, restore border controls, deport illegal immigrants, make the French work longer hours, impose discipline in schools, and phase out income tax.[/i]
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Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:46:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2002 6:47:24 PM EDT by Aimless]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:53:28 PM EDT
The part about locking down the borders, booting out the illegals, and phasing out income tax sounds pretty good. The part about making france work longer hours, and imposing discipline in schools sounds a little creepy though.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:57:04 PM EDT
That's the problem with fascism- it has a certain appeal to those who appreciate the fact that the trains run on time.
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Other than his remark about the Holocaust being a "detail of history" and the deal with mosques, I'm having a difficult time finding things NOT to like about the guy. Of course, I don't have the details, but has basic platform looks pretty conservative. * He sees massive North African immigration as a threat to French life and wants to halt all immigration for a while. * Abolition of the European Commission and Maastricht treaty. * Revival of the franc, alongside the euro. * Re-creation of trade barriers with EU countries. * Separation of French families' funds from those of foreigners. * Ban on building new mosques in France. * Reintroduction of the death penalty. * Prison expansion with room for 200,000 new inmates. * Abolition of the inheritance tax. He appears to be a nationalist, and sees Islamic immigration as a threat to French security and culture. Is he wrong?
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 10:02:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlClenin: The part about making france work longer hours, and imposing discipline in schools sounds a little creepy though.
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What part of imposing discipline in the schools is a problem. Hell, we need more of that here. And as far as work hours, people should be able to freely contract their work. I know in Austria you work a 30 hour week and get 5 weeks paid vacation. Sure, sounds great but there is a reason their economies kinda suck.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 2:43:42 AM EDT
I pictured the word discipline said with a wwII nazi image in mind. I wonder what kind of dicipline it would be. They sure do need the "zero tolerance" bullshit we have here.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 3:30:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AlClenin: I pictured the word discipline said with a wwII nazi image in mind. I wonder what kind of dicipline it would be. They sure do need the "zero tolerance" bullshit we have here.
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No they don't. They need a principle/headmaster, with a [b]BIG[/b] f@ckin' paddle, just like we need here. Our VP in 8th grade had one that still makes me shiver. Since he had long ago had the authority to use it stripped from his hands, he kept it so that the parents of little deviants (yep, me too) could put this to use immediately following their conversations. The damned thing was about 2 1/2 feet long with a 6" handle, 6" wide, about 1" thick, with holes drilled in a nice neat pattern down it length. Some mistakes you only make once!
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 3:41:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By USP40C:
Originally Posted By AlClenin: I pictured the word discipline said with a wwII nazi image in mind. I wonder what kind of dicipline it would be. They sure do need the "zero tolerance" bullshit we have here.
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No they don't. They need a principle/headmaster, with a [b]BIG[/b] f@ckin' paddle, just like we need here. Our VP in 8th grade had one that still makes me shiver. Since he had long ago had the authority to use it stripped from his hands, he kept it so that the parents of little deviants (yep, me too) could put this to use immediately following their conversations. The damned thing was about 2 1/2 feet long with a 6" handle, 6" wide, about 1" thick, with holes drilled in a nice neat pattern down it length. Some mistakes you only make once!
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All the school had to do for me was call home and complain to Dad. He wouldn't paddle me or anything. His method was forced labor. Get kicked out of class for swearing? Go mow the lawn. Dad, I mowed it two days ago. Do it again. That sort of thing. Now if I'd refuse to do the work, that is when the belt came off.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 3:46:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ratters:
Originally Posted By AlClenin: The part about making france work longer hours, and imposing discipline in schools sounds a little creepy though.
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What part of imposing discipline in the schools is a problem. Hell, we need more of that here. And as far as work hours, people should be able to freely contract their work. I know in Austria you work a 30 hour week and get 5 weeks paid vacation. Sure, sounds great but there is a reason their economies kinda suck.
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Well friggin' said. Le Pen's biggest drawback? He's French. [}:D] The only good thing to come out of France is a commercial airliner full of Americans, headed back to the states. [:D] (Disclaimer: The above commentary is NOT to be considered an endorsment of Le Pen(cil) neck.)
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 3:49:49 AM EDT
When it says [i]make the French work longer hours[/i]... what that simply means is repeal the crazy laws they have RESTRICTING the number of hours you can work. Some jobs by law have to be split between two people. Nuts...
Originally Posted By Aimless: Note the above link should in no way be construed as showing my support for this Le Pen character who sounds like a nasty little fascist-however sounds like he must be bringing up issues the main party candidates aren't addressing.
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Exactly. Should they simply address [i]some[/i] of the issues that are driving people to him, his influence will vanish.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 4:18:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mattja: * He sees massive North African immigration as a threat to French life and wants to halt all immigration for a while.
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Any distinct nation state (in terms of our culture the United States is not that distinct) would do the same, and you don't have to go as far as most of the world's nations (who refuse mass immigration and subsequent citizenship, so how could they complain?). Eventually what it is to be French would lose it's meaning, which has always been a goal of the Leftist one-worlders. I for one admire the [i]diversity[/i] that our planet has created. [:D] Watering it down too much would be "genocidal" and just plain bad manners. *LOL*
* Separation of French families' funds from those of foreigners.
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What does this mean?
* Ban on building new mosques in France.
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Restricting the endless immigration flows is one thing but I think this goes to far. The above could only come from a fascist regime.
* Abolition of the inheritance tax.
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Who does this hit? Only the rich? There are a lot of small estate holders growing wine there, many of which are not wealthy by any means, but I can see the state going after them with excessive taxes based on the value of their land (I don't know this is the case... but it is a very socialistic society) every time the head of the family dies. This is how labor governments in Britain taxed the landed classes almost out of existance (making many of them open their family homes to paying guests, not just because of the cost of upkeep, but because the death taxes on their [u]property[/u] were so bad). Taxes at best should only be on money you earn THE FIRST TIME.
He appears to be a nationalist, and sees Islamic immigration as a threat to French security and culture. Is he wrong?
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In the modern socialist world ("to each according to their need"), yes. The West exists for others that are not so fortunate. The usual criticisms of the left... colonialism... impacting native and ancient cultures, etc. don't seem to apply the other way. And of course successful asian countries are exempt from criticism on this matter [:D] In terms of truly maintaining that which makes France what it is, no. Diversity only goes so far for them...
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