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Posted: 4/23/2002 5:00:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/23/2002 5:03:33 PM EDT by Aviator]
I have noticed a lot of very very anti smoking persons on here in the last year. What are your thoughts regarding smoking? Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:04:08 PM EDT
whatever makes you happy
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:06:05 PM EDT
as long as its not in my face all the time when Im out with the fam dinning or in a confined space I really dont have a problem with it. I sometimes enjoy a cigar sometimes too, but useally when im in the mountians or bar-b-q-ing
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:11:59 PM EDT
I have been trying to summon the will power to kick this nasty damn habit for a few years. I hate it!
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:14:27 PM EDT
Personally, I can understand non-smokers not liking being around smoke. I can understand and don't really mind not smoking when I fly, or having separate smoking areas when I go out to eat. What I don't like is things like certain airports that make you go all the way to the front and outside to smoke. To me this seems petty. I know damn well they can make a good ventilation system for a "smoking room" inside. I also think the laws like the one they tried to pass in Mass. about getting charged if your neighbors complain are asinine as well. I try and be very considerate about smoking but, the best way to turn me into a dick is go way overboard about trying to make me feel bad about choosing to do so. You try and make my life miserable, and I'll certainly reciprocate. You having to smell smoke for the 1/10 of a second it takes you to walk by me on the street is no more irritating, or dangerous to you than me having to hear your bratty little kid scream and cry as I pass you. If that does not fit, I can assure you I could find any one of a 1000 things to nitpick about. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:17:48 PM EDT
I just hate the vilification of smokers, because it reminds me so much of the campaign against gun owners. Can't you dislike second hand smoke w/o wanting to jail those who do smoke.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:25:35 PM EDT
I don't mind not-smoking around other people, or being put in a separate area. Yes, it's a nasty habit, but it's my habit! Its interesting to see the similarities between anti-smokers and anti-gunners. Tax it, vilify it, gradually ban it...eliminate it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:28:11 PM EDT
I have never smoked. My wife does and promised that she would quit. For a long time she lied to me about her quitting. She stil smokes but now we have new rules. 1. No smoking in the house. If she wants to smoke in the house she has to find a different house to live in. 2. No smoking in the car. If she wants to smoke in the car I will find a $200 beater instead of the $30,000 SUV. Other than that no problems. Ok now everybody tell me what an A**hole I am. Bob B
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:29:11 PM EDT
Well considering that we in Canada have a Federally run health care system' Considering that smokers WASTE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF MY TAX MONEY!! I say its a filthy dirty habit!!
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:30:14 PM EDT
Its a really bad habit and as long as its not in my face .. puff away ... and I do think smokers have been given a rough ride .
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:31:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bobwrench: Ok now everybody tell me what an A**hole I am. Bob B
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Does not seem all that unreasonable to me. If I found a woman I wanted to marry who did not smoke, I would be willing to meet some demands on the smoking issue. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:36:28 PM EDT
I have mutual funds that invest in Philip Morris and one of the other butt companies, so puff on, my nic-fixated brothers and sisters! I don't like the stench and I think people who are addicted to drugs oughtta get a grip, but it's their life. And the fact that the PC people hate smokers is damn near enough to make me wanna start! As for Stormbringer's point, I disagree. Everyone dies someday, and usually incurs health costs in doing so. Smokers tend to die shortly after they retire, so they do not draw Social Security or whatever the Canadian equivalent is. Nonsmokers might be around 20 or 30 years after retirement, costing the taxpayers more money.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:37:54 PM EDT
I don't mind, as long as it's not right in my face. If I lived in a country with a federally run health system I would mind. Sounds a bit commie to me!
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:40:12 PM EDT
This is an extremely sore spot with me. I smoked half a pack a day for ten years. Quit cold turkey 5 years ago. I don't mind cigarette smoke at all. Like it, actually. If you want to smoke, do it. Most smokers are very considerate about where they light up, and I can't stand the raving pussies who rant "My God, those disgusting, uncaring killers!! Tax them to Hell!! If I breath a whiff I will surely die!!" Then they get into their goddamned Ford Landraper XLT3000 Excursionary Land Yacht to drive their f*cking kids 2 miles to soccer practice. F*CK YOU!! Thank you for reading.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:41:52 PM EDT
I cant stand smoke, why should I be subject to a dirty filthy habit that I have chosen not to take part in? You smokers can smoke all you want but I dont want to breath it. I cant stand the people that stand in front of the doorway of stores so they can smoke making everybody who goes in walk through it, or the fu**ers that throw their butts out their car window, yes Ive had one come into my car.I hate to be stoped at a stop light in the summer with my window up and a/c on with someone waiting beside of me smoking when my A/C draws the smoke into MY car. Eating in a restraunt with a smoking section is like swiming in a swiming pool with a no pissing section, there is no such thing. You can smoke all you want but PLEASE not around me! BKVic
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:45:32 PM EDT
Most smokers could care less where they smoke, what they stink up, where there butts go or whose face their smoke goes in. The actions of smokers are responsible for the rules & laws against smoking that they're all complaining about. There's no reason on the face of the earth I should have to endure that foul stench at work, in a restaurant, in an airplane or anywhere else. There's also no reason for the litter of discarded butts all over sidewalks, by curbs, on my front lawn or even out in the woods.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:49:55 PM EDT
If you want to smoke fine , Just be considerate and don't do it [b]near[/b] me. IMO tobacco smoke is one of the most nauseating foul stenches there is. That smell makes me gag. No offence Aviator, but id rather listen to sombodys screaming offspring or a teenagers blaring car stereo than inhale somebodys smoke as they pass by.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 5:56:46 PM EDT
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[b]Buddha[/b] Tell us how you REALLY feel... LOL [b]BKVic and Norm_G[/b] We stand out front by the door because we are not allowed to smoke anyplace inside. And no, not [b]ALL[/b] smokers are inconsiderate. Most of us are considerate. That's like saying all gun owners are criminals and will shoot someone. Typical liberal mindset. You know, I don't like smelling dogshit from the guy up the streets dog that crapped in my neighbors yard. I don't like to have to listen to someone's car stereo that has it turned up to loud. I don't like the burning oil from the 76 POS car in front of me at the red light. There are lots of things I don't like in life that I must put up with. Perhaps you guys should consider your attitudes when you approach someone about their smoking when it bothers you. I'll go way out of my way to not bother someone who approaches me in a nice manner, but if someone comes off as a dick, I'll work real hard to piss them off worse. [b]Luger355[/b] Different things bother different people. Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:20:14 PM EDT
In this day and time and what we know about tobacco I can not understand why anyone would be dumb enough to smoke. It blows my mind. The only problem is that usually smokers reproduce before they are taken out of the gene pool. That means the stupidity will be passed down from generation to generation. In the meantime all of us hard working people have to pay the health cost. Makes me sick to think about it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:26:21 PM EDT
It's their life. But don't ask me to pay for it when they're coughing up pieces of their lungs. [xx(]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:30:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:35:28 PM EDT
Interesting bit of information for you that do not already know. Do you know who were the cigarette companies biggest investors before the court systems started tearing the companies to pieces? The AMA (American Medical Association). The most stupid, nastiest, filthiest habit that there is.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:40:32 PM EDT
Flash66 you would want to think long before you just drained that old gene pool just for smoking. You wouldn't have had the likes of Albert Einstein,Earnnie Kovacs,George Burns,George Patton,Papa Hemmingway,Groucho,.ect.... It plays hell on your mother-board as well as monitor,keyboard.ect And if you live in an apartment you can smell the smoke through the next wall quite strongly. As a smoker myself,I try to keep my nasty addiction to my self. And never in a public building, as it should be. Every man for himself.. Bob Cole [smoke]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:51:36 PM EDT
Man, those of you that bitch about the smoke are bunch of sallies. Really. [BD] You talk about guns, and shooting guns, some even do it indoors. You think that smoke is good for ya? You ever bump fire a mag off? You think the smoke is going to NOT get thick at the line on the BRC? [BD] Ever shoot next to a couple of black powder dudes? You just smoked a pack or two for sure. I am a non-smoker. I quit about two years ago. Do smoke cigars once a while. Shit, our country was FOUNDED on Tobacco! c-rock
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 6:54:54 PM EDT
Bobbyjack I'm curious. Knowing what we all know about the dangers of smoking why do you do it? It it because you think you are immune to the dangers or maybe that the dangers don't exist? Or could it be that you know the dangers very well but the pleasure of doing it outweighs the risk? Not trying to start an argument just curious. By the way, both my parents smoked. Maybe that is the reason I'm such a dumb redneck. I'm still in the gene pool.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 7:07:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: Well considering that we in Canada have a Federally run health care system' Considering that smokers WASTE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF MY TAX MONEY!! I say its a filthy dirty habit!!
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I don't understand how this can be? We die sooner. And yes it's a filthy dirty habit. SSD
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 7:07:33 PM EDT
I try to be considerate of non-smokers in my presence.. no objections to non-smoking area when dining together, ask if they mind if I smoke, no smoke while we eat, and so on. I do take issue with those who go overboard as our society seems to. Ditto to the comments on unruly brats.. especially in the grocery store.. far more annoying than any amount of cigarette smoke. What gets me most, is millions of $$$$'s went to insurance companies through tobacco settlements, yet no coverage is available for prescription quit-smoke aids as Zyban, Patch, etc.. What a f*@@##g joke! Instead, they waste money on damn billboards from TM Marketing in MN, aimed at youth, who can't even drive yet to see the damn billboards along the highway. Typical political correct BS! No problem respecting non-smoking rights.. expect same in return. Bravo5-2
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 7:09:11 PM EDT
Flash66 I have been smoking for 38 years,and have quit several times. I have even quit drinking because they seem to go hand in hand to me anyway. So when I don't drink,I don't smoke. And while I fight it for weeks at a time,I'm back to square one again and again. For the answer would be yes I know with out a doubt that it is bad for my heart,and lungs but have a really hard time quiting! For some of us it is just hard to stop,so I would suggest if you don't smoke now, Don't start! Bob Cole [soapbox]
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 7:11:11 PM EDT
Wow, I am really impressed by the amount of people who have really strong opinions about this! Anybody bought a beer in California? They have that no smoking in bars thing, and it really sucked. Unless they have come to their senses and repealed it recently. I was thinking about quitting last week. I finished my last cigarette, lasted most of the next day, and decided at the grocery store that I wasn't really ready to quit yet after all. And I try to be very considerate around others, including walking away from the doorway I am smoking outside of. The butts can be a problem, though. Usually, if I see some on the ground already, I don't really sweat adding my own litter to the pile.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:05:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TX_Traveller: Anybody bought a beer in California? They have that no smoking in bars thing, and it really sucked. Unless they have come to their senses and repealed it recently.
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Yeah, that is a tough one. I hate Kalifornistan's stupid laws and restrictions on individual freedoms, which aren't limited to cigs or guns for that matter. On the other hand, over there I can drink a beer without being asphyxiated. And the whole damn restaurant is a non-smoking section, which is sure OK by me. Hate the laws, but gotta love the effects. No, BTW, they haven't "come to their senses."
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:17:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:19:24 PM EDT
Nasty filthy habit, but it's their life. you can find something disgusting but still support another persons right to do it.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:32:16 PM EDT
I think it is incredibly stupid. That said, there is no question that is someone choice to smoke and if they want to they should be able to. I don't have a problem with people who smoke, or even being around them, just don't blow it IM my face. I would say I am very anti-smoking, but also pro-smokers rights.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:37:29 PM EDT
Jesus H. Christ! 23% think it should be outlawed??? I don't smoke, but I'm glad you folks who think it should be outlawed don't live next door to me. I'd expect this on www.noseysoccermom.com, but on THIS board??? You live your life - I'll live mine. Tate
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:45:55 PM EDT
Nasty, filthy, habit. Just don't do it around me. Guns? Nasty, filthy habit. Just don't own them around me. Welcome to California. Please check personal choice & constitutional freedom at the state line. Does the smell offend you? The sight of ugly people offends me. Should we ban them from public view? Heard of The Tobacco Settlement? Ya know what the states which have received this windfall have begun to do with it? Pay for healthcare & smoking cessation programs? NO!! They(Texas is one) have re-invested it in TA-DA!!!!! TOBBACCO COMPANIES! This blatant hypocrisy can surely only be matched by some of the freedom-flag bearers who post on this board. "Ban tobbaccco, but us good libertarians truly believe that smack should be legal". If it's that horrible, BAN IT! No, can't do that. Too much dough to be bankrolled from the taxes. Bad perfume pisses me off, Ban that shit too! Here in the midwest, we have corporate hog farms you can smell for miles. BAN PORK! Ever been caught in a traffic jam behind a city bus? BAN MASS TRANSPORTATION! I mean, the children need to breathe, right? Is anyone's ankles getting tired from standing on that fence?
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 8:51:04 PM EDT
I do not smoke. My wife does. It's her life, but it's [i]our[/i] life, too. I'd like her to be around as long as possible, and smoking increases her risk of an early death. I wish she did not smoke, but I'm not going to ask her to quit. Hey, I'm fat and in poor physical condition - I could kick from a coronary tomorrow. The only way someone quits is if [i]they[/i] want to stop. I know several people who have quit, cold turkey, so I know it can be done. But you gotta wanna. I know a few who've tried and failed, too.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 9:25:07 PM EDT
I have read of studies that indicate that smokers actually cost less in the long run than non-smokers simply because they are likely to die sooner. The same logic that leads to tobbacco and booze taxes leads to all other sorts of taxes. How about a tax on red meat, or a tax on candy and soda. How about a tax on ammunition? After all, the liberals know what is best for us. Liberals are superhumans who are intellectually superior, and all knowing after they read the latest "study". Face it, they should be deciding how we live our lives. They know what is best for us and they sure know how to pull the wool over our eyes... Tax increases are an unpopular political move. Sin taxing is a popular way to raise money. After all, it is for the children! These people who smoke, eat red meat, drink soda, eat candy bars, and own guns are a burden on the state. They cost the state zilions of dollars each year! How many time have you heard this pathetic argument? This is why we are losing more freedom everyday to these communists! These shitbags love to target groups who are on the wrong side of the latest "study". They like to fleece there pockets in order to slip in a socialist agenda. I enjoy my ciggarrettes, if you dont like them, then I wont smoke them near you. Its that simple; common courtesy.
Link Posted: 4/23/2002 10:54:56 PM EDT
Can't vote. I think it is a filthy, nasty, disgusting habit, but I do not think it should be outlawed. I can't say too much though, I gots my own little habit to take care of, so I promise not to spit tobacco in your face if you don't blow smoke in mine.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 5:11:42 AM EDT
Knock yourself out: Just keep it out of MY house. Jay [img]http://www.commspeed.net/jmurray/images/iroc-cop.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 5:17:47 AM EDT
I was young and stupid....Then I quit cold turkey. Thank God.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 5:19:13 AM EDT
I don't mind you lighting up and smoking around me as long as you don't mind me unzipping my fly and pissing all over you. You can come and smoke in my house just as long as I can come to your house and take an enormous shytte in the middle of your living room floor. As an ex-smoker, the lingering stench that clings to everything is the thing that bothers me about being around smokers.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 6:36:36 AM EDT
Having a smoking section in a restaurant or another public building... is like having a peeing section in a pool. If you want to smoke, it is your life. If you want to smoke in your house, fine, that's your shithole, not mine. However, when we're in a public building, I don't want to have to breathe your smoke. Second hand smoke has been proven to be carcinogenic, thus IS harmful to my health, so I have the right not to have to breathe it. Catch a whiff on the street or outside, oh well, I can deal with that. I think all in all, smoking is a waste of time, money, and life. There are NO benefits.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:03:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:10:56 AM EDT
The thing that really pisses me off is the anti-smoking TV commercials we have here in MA (big surprise). They have this tough looking guy almost in tears because "cigarettes killed my wife". Well, guess the fuck what. Nobody was holding a gun to her head and making her smoke. If she had left the smokes on a table and never picked them up, I don't think she would have gotten cancer by osmosis. When will people take responsibility for their own actions?
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 6:24:54 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/24/2002 6:58:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Stormbringer: Well considering that we in Canada have a Federally run health care system' Considering that smokers WASTE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF MY TAX MONEY!! I say its a filthy dirty habit!!
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Canada........we hould have nuked you guys long ago! [:D] That's what happens when you let your Government take tax payer money for something that is the responsability of the Individual and Private sector. It's happening in the USA too - Time To Vote Better.....ASS!
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:22:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2002 7:23:54 PM EDT by Supershooter]
I do smoke and this is how I see it. 1: I will never have to wear adult diapers. 2: A nursing home will not be in my future. 3: Social Security will probably be broke then anyway. 4: It pisses Hillary Clinton off. 5: The Government couldn't survive without the taxes I pay for cigarettes. Remember this when your in the nursing home shitting all over yourselves and your not getting any old age pension. The government has taxed your 401K to death and your eating dog food. I'm already dead and have enjoyed myself.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:43:27 PM EDT
With a three pack a day habit I decided to quit. Twenty five years ago. Sure glad I did with the price at $2.84 for Marlboro's. I wish I could spell emphysema just so I could tell supershooter about my uncle and his friend the oxygen tank.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 7:52:30 PM EDT
If I smell your smoke, then you're smoking in the wrong place. Your right to smoke ends with my nose. If it weren't a disease causing habit to the smoker and more importantly, to the non-smoker, I wouldn't care less.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 8:10:13 PM EDT
Lead contamination poisons our environment. Shooting ranges should be closed for health reasons.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 8:57:45 PM EDT
I hate the smell of cigarette and cigar smoke, and most pipe smoke but I don't think it should be banned just arrest the idiot smokers who litter by dropping the butts all over the place and don't smoke in my car or house
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