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Posted: 4/19/2002 4:28:29 AM EDT
'Cause they sure ain't 'my people' - [size=4]Anti-War Rally in Washington to Have Pro-Palestinian Tone[/size=4] Jim Malone, Washington, 18 Apr 2002 19:02 UTC Organizers of an anti-war rally Saturday in Washington are billing the event as what they hope will be the [b]largest pro-Palestinian demonstration in U.S. history[/b]. Protest organizers say they expect tens-of-thousands of demonstrators who feel passionately about several issues. They include those protesting the Bush Administration's war on terrorism and anti-globalization activists demonstrating against the policies of the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. One of the key organizers is Brian Becker of a group called Answer, which stands for Act Now to Stop War and End Racism. Mr. Becker said organizers were originally focused on the war on terrorism and protecting civil liberties when they began planning the demonstrations back in November. But he said given recent developments in the Middle East, the protest will now take on a distinctly pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel tone. "We want the Bush administration to stop aid to Israel. We want the Bush Administration to know that the people of the United States are unhappy knowing that the government that speaks in our name is sending billions-of-dollars to Israel to carry out the occupation and aggression directed at innocent Palestinian people in their homes in occupied territories," Mr. Becker said. [b]During a news conference, protest organizers refused to denounce Palestinian suicide attacks.[/b] See remainder of article at:[url]http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=047F3115-2A14-40D2-A86D56B2D398F810&Title=Anti%2DWar%20Rally%20in%20Washington%20to%20H­ave%20Pro%2DPalestinian%20Tone[/url] Thirty years ago it would have been billed as the [b]largest pro-North Vietnam[/b] demonstration in US history! So pick your side carefully! And if you say you don't have a side, well, you really do, for silence in the face of such studied malevolence as 'suicide-bombing' is, after all, tacit agreement! Eric The(Parry,Thrust,[i][b]Touché[[b][/i]!)Hun[>]:)]
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Good idea, [b]Hawkeye1[/b]. Yet, since the guys can't find it within themselves to denounce 'suicide-bomb' attacks, why not just get.... As the Mullah of AR15.com, I pronounce [i][b]'fatwa'[/b][/i] against these people. Any [i][b]'shahid'[/b][/i] shall got to Black Rifle Paradise where he will receive 72 NIB pre-ban ARs. [:D] Eric The(Ulululululuating)Hun[>]:)]
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anti-war -- pro Palestinian? sounds like an oxymoron to me
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yes, they are my people. because in this country people are allowed to have views that the majority of the population may not like with out fear of gov. reprisal or buldozers coming through their house. do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right.
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72 NIB PRE-BAN AR's!! Wow! Thats almost better than 72 virgins!
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I wouldn't know! [:D] Eric The(Ahem)Hun[>]:)]
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yes, they are my people. because in this country people are allowed to have views that the majority of the population may not like with out fear of gov. reprisal or buldozers coming through their house. do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right.
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Good Lord, [b]rogerb[/b]! Who said anything about denying [b]'your people'[/b] the right to peacefully protest against anything they want to peacefully protest against? The only thing [b]'your people'[/b] will not be protesting, it appears, is the willful murder of innocent Israeli men, women and children by the Palestinians' use of suicide bomb attacks. So [b]'your people'[/b] are not actually 'anti-war' - they are just [b]'anti-Israeli war'[/b] against it's enemies. That's nice! [:D] Eric The(Hypocritical,But'Nice')Hun[>]:)]
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Originally Posted By rogerb: yes, they are my people. because in this country people are allowed to have views that the majority of the population may not like with out fear of gov. reprisal or buldozers coming through their house. do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right.
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On APRIL 19 you say we can live "with out fear of gov. reprisal or buldozers coming through their house"?! Where were you nine years ago?
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[b]Tinker[/b], you are a jewel in the official AR15.com belt buckle! I totally missed [b]rogerb's[/b] ironic remark about govenment bulldozers, etc., on this very date, etc. Eric The(MuchImpressed)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 5:15:57 AM EDT
Well, it was good while it lasted..... Eric's brief one-day respite from his "All Israel, all the time" web-cast..... As the (appropriately modified) old saying goes "All Israel, and no USA makes Eric a dull boy." [B)]
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garandman, are you going to be there? These DO sound like your kind of people. Also, notice that the professional, anti-everything protestors are going to be there too.
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As the (appropriately modified) old saying goes "All Israel, and no USA makes Eric a dull boy."
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This is an 'Israel Post' and not a 'USA Post'? Why, simply because these 'POSs' mention that the tone of the rally will be 'Pro-Palestinian'? Hmmm, so if one of my threads was on the subject of vegetables and I simply mentioned a Jerusalem artichoke....BOOM! another ETH Israel thread? Eric The(Jews'Harp?ThatToo?)Hun[>]:)]
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I remember seeing tanks at waco not buldozers, sorry i have zero sympathy for the davidians. yes, reno and company screwed up, but to what extent I'm not sure, those people never planned on walking out of there.
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I remember seeing tanks at waco not buldozers, sorry i have zero sympathy for the davidians.
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Oh, so you and [b]'your people'[/b], don't object to tanks, just bulldozers? Is that it? And you and [b]'your people'[/b] seem to have zero sympathy for more than just the davidians!
yes, reno and company screwed up, but to what extent I'm not sure, those people never planned on walking out of there.
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Well, you simply have no basis to believe that the 'Branch Davidians' had no intention of walking out of their home and church. If these 'Branch Davidians' were anything like any other Seventh-Day Adventists that I know, the act of suicide is a sin that would prevent them from going to Heaven in any event. Just contrast the attitude and the actions that the federal government used against these Americans with those it used against the rioting 'Mariel boatlift' criminals that were being held in federal prisons, at about the same time. Eric The(Saddened)Hun[>]:)]
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Originally Posted By rogerb: yes, they are my people. because in this country people are allowed to have views that the majority of the population may not like with out fear of gov. reprisal or buldozers coming through their house. do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right.
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....and I have the right to call them MORONS!
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 6:09:21 AM EDT
Folks, just remember that many of these same 'peace activists' were demonstrating passionately a couple years back for a war against Serbia, which they got. Why? It's all about the muslims. Whether they are for war or peace, that is.
One of the key organizers is Brian Becker of a group called Answer, which stands for Act Now to Stop War and End Racism.
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What a name. Because of course all wars are racist... [rolleyes]
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i don't like road graders or green fire trucks either. also you seem to be confused , they are my people in nationality only, not beliefs. that was why i stated "do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right" maybe you think they should change operation enduring freedom to operation enduring freedom for the choosen ? As far as what the davidians were going to do, you have no more idea than I. I seem to remember a certain population of jews that choose suicide over roman rule, were they damned for that choice ?
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Originally Posted By LARRYG: garandman, are you going to be there? These DO sound like your kind of people. .
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Nah, I'm more of a pro-war kinda guy. Besides, I can't stand crowds. "Specially the types that donlt bathe regularly. [rolleyes]
This is an 'Israel Post' and not a 'USA Post'? Why, simply because these 'POSs' mention that the tone of the rally will be 'Pro-Palestinian'? Hmmm, so if one of my threads was on the subject of vegetables and I simply mentioned a Jerusalem artichoke....BOOM! another ETH Israel thread?
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EXACTLY. EVERYTHING takes significance with you in the glorious light of Israel. Kinda the way I feel about the USA. I'll take you at your word that if push came to shove between Israel and the USA, you'd choose the USA (tho for the life of me its NOT apaprent from the tone of your INCESSANT Israel threads. [size=6]ALL ISRAEL, ALL THE TIME [/size=6] Yer ALMOST a one-note piano. Enjoyable for the first dozen times or so, but tedious after that. As I mentioned, I appreciated yer "armed pilots" thread, but ...... I force myself to read these and post in them as I see the need to REMIND everyone that the USA is a soverign nation, NOT a cleaner fish for glorious Israel.
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also you seem to be confused , they are my people in nationality only, not beliefs.
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But you were the one who referred to them as 'your people', first, not me! I was simply honoring your connection with them!
that was why i stated "do i like what they are saying NO, but they have the right" maybe you think they should change operation enduring freedom to operation enduring freedom for the choosen ?
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Nope, 'Operation Enduring Freedom for the Chosen' already has its own name - [b]Operation Defensive Shield[/b] - it's the one Israel picked out. But it's simply the same as the US War on Terrorism, same enemies, etc., etc., etc.
As far as what the davidians were going to do, you have no more idea than I.
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That's why I don't make stupid statements about what they would do and not do![:D]
I seem to remember a certain population of jews that choose suicide over roman rule, were they damned for that choice ?
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According to their very own Scriptures they would be! But I am content to let the Lord make that call! Eric The(AsHEWillMakeEveryCall)Hun[>]:)]
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Dear HUN: If these people are United States citizens, then they are my people. If these people (and any other people demonstrating against U.S. policy)are not U.S. citizens their sorry asses should be exported. There is just not enough information contained in your post to be able to ascertain whether or not these are my people. With warmest personal regards I remain very truly yours, 5sub
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 6:44:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: "We want the Bush administration to stop aid to Israel." Eric The(Parry,Thrust,[i][b]Touché[[b][/i]!)Hun[>]:)]
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Now if these people are U.S. citizens and also want to stop U.S. Aid to Palestinians these 'ARE' my people !
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Yer ALMOST a one-note piano. Enjoyable for the first dozen times or so, but tedious after that. As I mentioned, I appreciated yer "armed pilots" thread, but ......
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Then simply don't read or comment on any more of my perfidious threads on Israel. It's like the sinful preacher who couldn't stop going to those porno movies simply to remind himself what he should be preaching against...after a while, he has his own regular seat, and his own following in the joint.
I force myself to read these and post in them as I see the need to REMIND everyone that the USA is a sovereign nation, NOT a cleaner fish for glorious Israel.
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Well, either that or you simply like to vent on Israel at every opportunity. I don't think anyone needs reminding that the US is a sovereign nation. And as a sovereign nation, it has decided to cast its lot with another sovereign nation - Israel. When you and yours are elected to office, you can go about dismantling this entangling alliance however you see fit. But until then, the US and Israel are somehow mysteriously, miraculously, maybe, connected! And I love it! [:D] It gladdens my heart in times of distress for both nations. As I believe it does HIS, as well. Eric The(All-USA-Israel-FriendshipCommittee,Chairman)Hun[>]:)]
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Originally Posted By LARRYG: Also, notice that the professional, anti-everything protestors are going to be there too.
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No these people do NOT protest "everything". Tens of thousands of these maggots did NOT march on Washington to protest: * Palestinians using their children as homicide-bombers * the Sudanese Slave Trade * the lavish wealth of Arab royalty in the face of squalor poverty among most other Palestinians and Arabs around the world * the Arab attacks on the America on 9-11 * Palestinians being slaughtered by the thousands in Jordan in the 70s * the refusal of most Arab nations to allow the Palestinian "refugees" into their countries. * the expulsion of tens of thousands of Palestinians from Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia and Jordan No, these are Anti-American MoslemMaggots, Anti-capitalists, Anarchists, Marxists, Communists and professional "America-Haters". They ONLY protest America, freedom, and the fight against totalitarianism.
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Dear [b]subsailor[/b]: Yours of this morning as been received. I take this mouse in hand and hope that my letter finds you and yours doing well this morning. Earlier this morning, we had a question about what 'your people' meant in relation to the article which I posted. I made the statement that [b]'Thirty years ago it would have been billed as the largest pro-North Vietnam demonstration in US history!'[/b] Do you believe this or not? Simply being an 'American citizen', will not suffice any longer. Citizenships are being sold to the highest bidder in INS convenience stores everywhere. Citizenships are being handed out by some of our politicians to anyone who could possibly vote for an America that the Founding Fathers would simply not recognize! So citizenship and a $1.00 bill will not even buy you a small cup of java in the Hun Store. Commitment to the founding principals upon which the United States began its life and a $1.00 bill will get you anything you want. No citizenship required. That will come later. In due course. We have way too many native-born American citizens like Jihad Johnny Walker, for me to believe that simple citizenship is sufficient! In closing, let me covey Scooter's kindest wishes upon you and yours. Until next we meet, I remain, Your obedient servant, Eric The(SignatureWithFlourish)Hun[>]:)] [SEAL]
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Originally Posted By The_Macallan: No, these are Anti-American MoslemMaggots, Anti-capitalists, Anarchists, Marxists, Communists and professional "America-Haters". They ONLY protest America, freedom, and the fight against totalitarianism.
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Past experience indicates you are very likely to be correct. Ever wonder what these people - the professional America-haters - do for a living ? Wish someone had a profile on the types. (I know the FBI does but they don't play well with others and do not share well.)
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Good idea, [b]Hawkeye1[/b]. Yet, since the guys can't find it within themselves to denounce 'suicide-bomb' attacks, why not just get.... As the Mullah of AR15.com, I pronounce [i][b]'fatwa'[/b][/i] against these people. Any [i][b]'shahid'[/b][/i] shall got to Black Rifle Paradise where he will receive 72 NIB pre-ban ARs. [:D] Eric The(Ulululululuating)Hun[>]:)]
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How about 36 Nib Pre-ban Ars and 36 virgins. That way two needs would be met[:P] [:)] CAPITALIST
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[b]BEING A LIBERAL IS LIKE GOING TO THE THEATER--both require a willing suspension of disbelief.[/b] --by somebody
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How about 36 Nib Pre-ban Ars and 36 virgins. That way two needs would be met - CAPITALIST
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How can the Mullah of AR15.com say 'no' to the eloquent prayerful request of such a true believer? I cannot, so yes, it will be even as you say. Eric The(YouDoWant'Boxes'ForThose,Don'tYou?)Hun[>]:)]
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: I don't think anyone needs reminding that the US is a sovereign nation. But until then, the US and Israel are somehow mysteriously, miraculously, maybe, connected!
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So nice of you to contradict yourself for our readers. YOU sir, need reminding. My opinion.
And I love it! [:D] It gladdens my heart in times of distress for both nations. As I believe it does HIS, as well. [>]:)]
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I beleive the terrorists claimed God on their side, sans any Scripture references. as you frequently do. The UNDENIABLE fact is that the OT covenant DEMANDED that while Israel was disobedient to God, they WOULD be under His punishment. Currently, israel is in a state of disobedince to God. And even a cursory reading of the OT will reveal that God was NEVER of a glad heart WHILE Israel was in disobedience as they are now. And you are encouraging them to continue in that state of disobedience. Your heart is glad. God's heart OBVIOUSLY is not. My heart is distressed for Israel, UNTIL they embrace the Messiah. I'd say you need to check with God, and change your heart.
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Dear [b]subsailor[/b]: Yours of this morning as been received. I take this mouse in hand and hope that my letter finds you and yours doing well this morning. Earlier this morning, we had a question about what 'your people' meant in relation to the article which I posted. I made the statement that [b]'Thirty years ago it would have been billed as the largest pro-North Vietnam demonstration in US history!'[/b] Do you believe this or not? Simply being an 'American citizen', will not suffice any longer. Citizenships are being sold to the highest bidder in INS convenience stores everywhere. Citizenships are being handed out by some of our politicians to anyone who could possibly vote for an America that the Founding Fathers would simply not recognize! So citizenship and a $1.00 bill will not even buy you a small cup of java in the Hun Store. Commitment to the founding principals upon which the United States began its life and a $1.00 bill will get you anything you want. No citizenship required. That will come later. In due course. We have way too many native-born American citizens like Jihad Johnny Walker, for me to believe that simple citizenship is sufficient! In closing, let me covey Scooter's kindest wishes upon you and yours. Until next we meet, I remain, Your obedient servant, Eric The(SignatureWithFlourish)Hun[>]:)] [SEAL]
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Eric, citizenship makes a world of difference to me. If citizens these people have the right to 'PEACEFUL' protest. Now if these people are not citizens they have the right to ride comfortably on an Egyptian Horse Carrier on the way home. Instead of making no distinction between citizens as has been our recent past we must make even greater distinctions between those who are U.S. citizens and therefore have many rights and those who are not U.S. citizens who 'should' have very limited rights. There must be an increased effort to make a clear distinction.
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5sub- How does that saying go? Those who are so quick to defend 2nd amendment rights for themselves are often so quick to give up the 1st amendment rights of others. Is that right?
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So nice of you to contradict yourself for our readers.
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Let not your heart be troubled, garandman. No contradiction here at all. Both are sovereign nations that are connected in many, many ways. Simple enough, for you?
YOU sir, need reminding. My opinion.
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Thank you, and I will cherish it in the same manner as I cherish all of your opinions. But now that you given me this cherished opinion, you needn't bother 'reminding' me any longer. That's quite a burden you've been carrying around for a long time. Aren't you glad you can drop the heavy load and get on with your life now? Have you reminded all of 'your people' of their duties, as well. I don't want them to feel that you wouldn't feel about them the same way you feel about me. Eric The(Scriptural)Hun[>]:)]
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Half of our people work at home today because of this sh!t.
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Oh, and g-man, there's nothing particularly "Jewish" about rye bread. That would be a "bread libel" I believe. Just can't get over the fact that Jews are not Christians, eh? As a matter of fact, the History of Bread website says this about rye bread: "c 500 AD. Saxons and Danes settled in Britain and introduced rye which was well suited to cold northern climates. Dark rye bread became a staple which lasted to the Middle Ages" [url]http://www.bakersfederation.org.uk/histbread.htm#top[/url]
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I think the US is fairly desensitized to protest nowadays. I know I am. It's sort of like the media, it's hot when it doesn't happen very often but when it becomes an every-other day agenda item, its no longer news (AIDS, divorce, drugs, teen pregnancy, even guns in school get a little less press now). Maybe if one more celebrity kills his wife it will hold true there as well. I'm getting a little tired of Robert Blake on TV. I will always be pro USA, at least in the sense of how we were originally created. I disgust the downhill trend we're on, as a country (although we have no one to blame but ourselves, right?). When's the last time we've had any good news that had more magnitude than the bad news we see? I will not try to cover a thousand issues here. Compared to the rest of the world, life is still fairly good here. My bottom line? You can only play referee between 2 year olds so long before you separate them, or let them fight it out on their own. separating didn't seem to work, so give them the boxing gloves and go have a beer. Cut the aid too, my money has more value elsewhere. Those who really, and I mean really, want to help them should buy the ticket and bring a comfortable pair of boots. Don't forget your sunscreen. Why cry about it here for a day and then go home to your nice house and your cushy job where you get paid more than your foreign counterparts you defend? Because you have the right to, that's why. Remember who gave you that right and why they gave you that right the next time your head hits your cushy pillow. Our forefathers turn enough in their graves already without the help of the fickle. My $.02 (What's the exchange rate on that?)
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Eric, citizenship makes a world of difference to me. If citizens these people have the right to 'PEACEFUL' protest.
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No one's arguing [u]that[/u] right here this morning, unless it is you. As a matter of fact, it bothers me not a bit whether these antiwar protestors are citizens or not. I am so broadminded as to believe that even non-citizens should have the right to peacefully protest here in the US, provided they are here legally! But I would never refer to them as 'my people' even if they came from the same little German village that my ancestor Huns came from in the past.
Now if these people are not citizens they have the right to ride comfortably on an Egyptian Horse Carrier on the way home.
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Oh no! Not the dreaded [b][i]El Quseir[/i][/b], the Scourge of the Mediterranean Sea? [img]http://ussliberty.org/g/elquseir.gif[/img] Thankfully not, since that particular ship was decommissioned and sold as scrap, probably to some very generous Israeli investors! Eric The(Uh-oh,ILetItSlip!)Hun[>]:)]
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Originally Posted By DScott: 5sub- How does that saying go? Those who are so quick to defend 2nd amendment rights for themselves are often so quick to give up the 1st amendment rights of others. Is that right?
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Yes, too often that is right. Long term we may have no 2nd. If we choose to make this conjecture a certainty, then lose the 1st.
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Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from 5subslr5 -
Eric, citizenship makes a world of difference to me. If citizens these people have the right to 'PEACEFUL' protest.
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No one's arguing [u]that[/u] right here this morning, unless it is you. As a matter of fact, it bothers me not a bit whether these antiwar protestors are citizens or not. I am so broadminded as to believe that even non-citizens should have the right to peacefully protest here in the US, provided they are here legally! But I would never refer to them as 'my people' even if they came from the same little German village that my ancestor Huns came from in the past.
Now if these people are not citizens they have the right to ride comfortably on an Egyptian Horse Carrier on the way home.
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Oh no! Not the dreaded [b][i]El Quseir[/i][/b], the Scourge of the Mediterranean Sea? [img]http://ussliberty.org/g/elquseir.gif[/img] Thankfully not, since that particular ship was decommissioned and sold as scrap, probably to some very generous Israeli investors! Eric The(Uh-oh,ILetItSlip!)Hun[>]:)]
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I knew only you could name-that-horse-carrier !!
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Have I not told you before, [b]subsailor[/b], that I have been eaten up with this subject since about the time it happened? Until this very moment! I look at it as one would look at having a beautiful young wife and a happy marriage, and then one day coming home from work to find her gone, and just a note that said 'I'm leaving you,' no more no less. No explanation, no justification, no nothing. Just the great emptiness and the little note. So yes, I remember everything about the day, and cherish it as one would cherish the toy of a dead child. Simple enough? Eric The(TrulySaddened)Hun[>]:)]
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Eric, Sharon is going to cost Israel dearly. Already most of the Europeans are not supportive and only a poorly informed American public remains supportive of Israel. I agree it is difficult to remain informed due to media bias but still there is enough information out there to remain reasonably well informed. To support either Arafat or Sharon is to support murderers. Sharon has worked diligently to embarrass and piss-off POTUS. I'm thinking he has succeeded. If GWB is reelected Israel will pay dearly in GWB's second term.
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Sharon is going to cost Israel dearly.
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I don't think it will turn out that way at all! The IDF just keep catching the vermin every day, and the good thing about catching rats, is that at least that rat will no longer be a problem. Oh to be sure there are others, there will be more, there are young rats growing older every day, but so what? There were rats in Israel in King David's day as well!
Already most of the Europeans are not supportive and only a poorly informed American public remains supportive of Israel.
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Not at all, first, who needs Europe? Do we need Europe? If Europe said to us hgo catch Bin Laden by yourself, would you call off the hunt? Second, only poorly informed, or miserably motivated, Americans could support what has been happening to Israel over the past generation.
I agree it is difficult to remain informed due to media bias but still there is enough information out there to remain reasonably well informed.
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Yes, the media surely hates Israel all right! Thank God (I mean that literally), that we have other news sources than the mainline US press!
To support either Arafat or Sharon is to support murderers.
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Well, I do know that Arafat sanctioned the murder of those two US diplomats back in Africa in the 80s, but I have never heard anyone credibly charge Sharon with murder. I suppose those 'suicide bombers' were [u]not[/u] supported by Arafat? Is that your view?
Sharon has worked diligently to embarrass and piss-off POTUS. I'm thinking he has succeeded.
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Then President Bush should be embarrassed to believe that the murderers of his countrymen should be hounded to the ends of the earth, while the murderers of Sharon's countrymen should be visited by US diplomats and given all sorts of assurances that those mean old IDF guys weren't gonna put one of those explosive belts found in his compound around Arafat's stupid neck, and light it up!
If GWB is reelected Israel will pay dearly in GWB's second term.
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Then George W. Bush is not the honorable man that I have been led to believe that he was. Eric The(ButILoveGeorgeW!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 8:59:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Have I not told you before, [b]subsailor[/b], that I have been eaten up with this subject since about the time it happened? Until this very moment! I look at it as one would look at having a beautiful young wife and a happy marriage, and then one day coming home from work to find her gone, and just a note that said 'I'm leaving you,' no more no less. No explanation, no justification, no nothing. Just the great emptiness and the little note. So yes, I remember everything about the day, and cherish it as one would cherish the toy of a dead child. Simple enough? Eric The(TrulySaddened)Hun[>]:)]
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Thank You Hun. (Such sensitivity from a genuine HUN !!) I've thought about the many topics posted here on AR15.com and believe only the incident we're not discussing causes me such personal pain. In an earlier post you said something like..... shafted by Israel, The United States and their own Navy.......each assertion you made is true. I remain enraged at all three. However, I must tell you that even without the incident my position of disagreeing with U.S. policy of paying Israel to kill Palestinians would remain unchanged. I just as strongly condemn paying 'anyone' to kill Israelis.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 9:10:30 AM EDT
To extend 'the beautiful young wife' metaphor, I would rather believe that [u]anything[/u] happened to her, rather than contemplate what actually might have happened. 'The note was a forgery, she is still in the house.' No, I have looked in every room. 'The note was written by her at the threat of a knife or gun.' No, there is no sign of a forced entry and where is the ransom note from her ravishers? 'My beautiful young wife was crazy.' No, I knew her too well to believe that. You see, there is simply no palatable answer to the young wife's disappearance. Eric The(None!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 9:21:06 AM EDT
What a wonderful group of posters on this topic...people who read and remember. The Macallan for noticing all the "Poor Palestinians" who were actively screwed by Jordan and every other Arab country...heck, Ol' Yasser is Egyptian...kind've an uglier Jesse or Al Sharpton. ErictheHun knowing the name of the El Quseir and why it was suggested...boys and girls, it's the boat the happy Jews in Israel claimed they thought they were shooting instead of the USS LIBERTY. Those nasty US flags, liferafts, flybys, radio messages...all those things the El Quseir was trying to fool our buddies, the Israeli's, with. Ilikelegs...I'd say most people here agree with his category of "not my people" Do I give a rats butt about Israel? Nope! They're not our friends, never have been, would sell us south in a second if it benefited them. They are no one's friend except Israel. They don't even stay bought (unlike a Kennedy). Remember, these guys supported the Iranians when they had our people hostage. They sold the red Chinese AWACs planes and only stopped when we reminded them they contained US-designed components. Of course, they did sell the Chinese the Mark III Israeli version of the Exocet (since the Mark II had US designed parts). These will be used to nail our ships by the Chinks....our good buds the Israeli's. Wish we'd stay out of there and not risk one American life on these people. P.S. Don't give a damn for the Palestinians either, they cheered when WTC towers went, they cheer when their brats blow themselves up...doesn't seem like a good genepool to continue...least it's not deep.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 9:40:39 AM EDT
Post from Trakehner -
ErictheHun knowing the name of the El Quseir and why it was suggested...boys and girls, it's the boat the happy Jews in Israel claimed they thought they were shooting instead of the USS LIBERTY.
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Only someone incredibly ignorant of history in the Middle East would not know that! This is not the [b]remedial[/b] AR15.com GD Board, this is the one for adults. So don't be surprised if someone [u]assumes[/u] you know something of this world! [b]subsailor[/b] knew, all too well, and since it was to him that the post was directed, I did all that was necessary. Eric The(GoRagSomeoneElseWhoCares!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 9:59:40 AM EDT
Eric, you said ".... but I have never heard anyone credibly charge Sharon with murder." I thought i read somewhere that he may still be brought up some international charges for the Lebanon refugee camps ? If the death toll in Jenin is as high as some claim and it is made up of a lot of women and children it is going to go bad for him as well. Frankly as previously stated the area would do better with out him and arafat.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 10:10:24 AM EDT
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Eric, you said ".... but I have never heard anyone credibly charge Sharon with murder." I thought i read somewhere that he may still be brought up some international charges for the Lebanon refugee camps ?
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That's why I said 'credibly charged'! Oh there are still folks who wish to 'bring him to justice' but they are nuts and so is anyone who believes that alleged war crimes in Lebanon should be tried in Belgium. Israel had to try its cases against former Nazis linked to the death camps in Israel, simply because the countries in which these Nazis were found hiding would do nothing against them! West German officials never bothered looking in South America for Eichmann or Mengele, or any other Nazi of note. So Israel had to go it alone.
If the death toll in Jenin is as high as some claim and it is made up of a lot of women and children it is going to go bad for him as well.
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Well, I think it's very obvious that, once again, the Palestinians are hollering about something that will turn out to be nothing! Were innocent folks killed in the Jenin Refugee Camp? Undoubtedly. Purposefully? Nope. No more than the US and Britain set off to kill German women and children in any large German city they bombed. If they had their wishes, only Nazi soldiers would have died as the result of each bomb. If others were killed, it was a mistake. Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)]
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