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Posted: 4/19/2002 3:45:10 AM EDT
What's the worst state for gun owners? Consider: Foid cards, registration, restrictions, confiscations, waiting periods, class 3, CCW, open carry, gun range rules, locations to shoot, etc.... If I've missed a good (bad) one, do a write-in vote.
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Link Posted: 4/19/2002 3:50:07 AM EDT
New York!
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 3:57:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waverunner: New York!
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I thought about adding NY, but I only had 5 slots. NY City is obviously HORRIBLE, but the State of New York isn't too bad, is it?
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 4:18:46 AM EDT
I lived in NJ until this past labor day, so I voted for that state. Chock full of pansies, "guns kill" folk, and "the police will protect me" kinds. I miss my family, but I'm glad to be gone otherwise.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 4:38:39 AM EDT
Massachusetts. [url]http://www.state.ma.us/chsb/frb/Approved_Roster2002.pdf[/url] [frag]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 4:45:02 AM EDT
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Maryland has an approved roster as well. also, on Regulated Firearms (all pistols, many evil rifles): - 7 day waiting period - 1 gun per month limit - integrated lock requirement getting phased in required - required safety course and 20 round limit on buying/selling/transfering mags effectively NO CCW available
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 4:51:02 AM EDT
I'm in agreement with F4YR, Maryland sucks. I hope to be following your lead hear shortly and moving to PA. Congrats on getting out of the Peoples Republic of MD.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 4:58:18 AM EDT
CA = Highly publicized but not the worst. NJ = Rarely publicized, I think cause people have resigned to the fact that the state has no hope. Worst by far. At least in CA you can still have hi-caps, can't buy new ones, but they don't make you put a block on em.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 5:08:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Necromancer: CA = Highly publicized but not the worst.
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I think Kali is the worst. You can't buy AR-15 (or the like) anymore. The ones you own are registered and will probably be conficasted at some point. When you die your kid can't get your AR-15, the state steals it. (you don't even really own it, you are just borrowing it effectively) Can't buy hicaps anymore. Face it - a few decades from now there will hardly any "assault weapon" owners in Kali.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 5:51:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Necromancer: CA = Highly publicized but not the worst. NJ = Rarely publicized, I think cause people have resigned to the fact that the state has no hope. Worst by far. At least in CA you can still have hi-caps, can't buy new ones, but they don't make you put a block on em.
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I have to say its REAL close but, the winner (loser) has to be CA. At least I can go to the shop and buy new post-ban ARs whenever I want. Albeit with 10 round mags... But I agree, NJ is rarely publicized regarding this issue and CA seems very much more high profile.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 6:18:14 AM EDT
Another minus for Kali is that it is full of anti-american, anti-everything, Hollywood actors!
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 6:24:20 AM EDT
I'd say tie between Kalifornia and Massachusetts. Almost everything that can be called a weapon is regulated. Guns, knives, swords, martial arts equipment...
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 6:34:16 AM EDT
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[i]Right now[/i] NJ isn't [i]all[/i] that bad. Plenty of ranges to shoot at, no restrictions like "approved lists", FOID cards issued to almost anyone. No special ammo restrictions (HP is legal, despite the rumors). No drop tests or consumer product safety intervention. Forget CCW, 30 round mags, AKs & pre-bans, but I can live without those. The real clinker is the "smart gun" bill that's in the works. This bill exempts cops, who were to be the original beneficiaries of this technology. It will outlaw the sale of all other handguns on the day the first "smart gun" is delivered to the first dealer anywhere in the USA, whether it works or not. Needless to say, we're lobbying furiously to kill it. We're also lobbying to get cops required to have them, to get them against it. Then NJ will be the undisputed king of "bad gun states".
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:01:04 AM EDT
Even though I live in MA, from what I've read and heard, CA seems worse. One note about NY, my 16 yr old daughter can shoot competitive handgun everywhere around here, except in NY. Pisses me (and her) off.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:15:43 AM EDT
Maryland. Read Maryland Attorney General Curran's manifesto "[i]A Farewell to Arms[/i]" He's not even [i]apologetic[/i] about his plans to use all current laws and anything he can see passed to [i]completely eliminate[/i] private ownership of firearms in the state. Under his direction people with minor convictions far in their past are having their firearms collections confiscated. You don't see [i]that[/i] even in the land of the Caliban.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:19:31 AM EDT
I just remembered...we got Hillary Clinton! NY wins hands down!
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:24:12 AM EDT
CA is probably worse, but I voted for MD anyway. Where do you think NJ got the idea for the "smart gun" bill? We had to fight one of those two years ago.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:30:27 AM EDT
I should say DC but MD is close enough.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:37:38 AM EDT
You forgot: Conn Illinois Michigan Ohio Penn
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:40:39 AM EDT
worst State....apathy Gib187th "The most powerful weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." Stephen Biko
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:44:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/19/2002 7:45:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waverunner: I just remembered...we got Hillary Clinton! NY wins hands down!
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[b][size=3]WE HAVE A WINNER![/b][/size=3] How can you argue with that! medcop
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 8:54:39 AM EDT
I know there are several other states that are worse overall, but in minnesota "evil assault weapons" require you to be 21 like it is for handguns. I'm still several months too young to buy my first evil gun.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 10:33:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By AR_Rifle: I should say DC but MD is close enough.
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it ain't a State.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 10:40:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Waverunner: I just remembered...we got Hillary Clinton! NY wins hands down!
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Ray, you just swayed my vote! Except for NYC, most of the state ain't all that bad though. (Minus their political preferences of course!)
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 11:55:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/19/2002 11:56:57 AM EDT by Midgard_Serpent]
Man is this a no-brainer. The state I swore allegiance to as a National Guardsmen is now considering a [b]sin tax on sodapop[/b] because it alledgedly makes you fat! Guess which state that is... [8P] ...hint,hint.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 12:04:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan: You forgot: Conn Illinois Michigan Ohio Penn
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Connecticut?! Are you kidding me?! Do you have any idea how many crimes the CT state AW ban has prevented...[whacko]
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 12:11:27 PM EDT
Don't forget the sate up North Canada lol. We got some bad laws up here. At least we dont have the pre/post ban law thank god. Everything here would be pre ban like my Sig 551 or a BRS-99.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 12:17:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15fan: You forgot: Conn Illinois Michigan Ohio Penn
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Pennsylvania as one of the [i]worst[/i]?! Man, I didn't know that the no-hunting-w/SA rule could tick one off so much. Really, though, voting PA as one of the worst states is kind of a stretch. (okay, a big stretch)
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 12:20:33 PM EDT
Booo! At least in Kali, an 18 year old can buy an M1A or an FAL reciever. MD is not the same story. Kharn
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 12:27:46 PM EDT
I vote a three way tie...Kalifornication, New York and New Jersey! If I have to vote only one, Kalifornication due to the huge population.
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 9:06:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stubbs: Pennsylvania as one of the [i]worst[/i]?! Man, I didn't know that the no-hunting-w/SA rule could tick one off so much.
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No, it's more the 70 plus year State Police run illegal registry of gun owners that gets me. Corrupt cops and gun registration rolled into one. Great place to live.
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