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Posted: 4/16/2002 11:38:40 PM EDT
Chicago Police were notified today that if they own a "ASSAULT WEAPON" they have until May 01 to sell that weapon or have it confiscated. After this is implemented citizens will be next. AR15's, Aks,SKS,Any shotgun with a pistol grip or a tube that holds more than 8shots, any rifle that uses a detachable mag that holds ten rounds or more(10/22!), any handgun that is 50 cal or larger. This is for real folks. There are other guns listed but this is just the begining! And this is the POLICE that the City is starting with!
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:42:25 PM EDT
Feel safe yet?
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:49:01 PM EDT
NOPE! No one is safe...not even the POLICE!
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:54:39 PM EDT
Ummm, did a search for news stories and it appears to concern non LE only. If they let their gun registration card expire, then somebody from the CAGE unit shows up to confiscate the weapon. My response would be i sold x weapon so many years ago [:\] [url]http://www.freedomwriter.com/issue20/am1.htm[/url]
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:59:03 PM EDT
I can tell you that LAW Enforcement will be first because our MAYOR DALEY wants the police to be just as law abiding. How can he enforce his law when his boys in blue are breaking the same laws. And that CAGE unit ..very scary I can tell you that they hate anyone with a gun .
Link Posted: 4/19/2002 1:21:21 AM EDT
I remember a time long ago when we were told to never allow the government to register our weapons, cuz someday they will be back to get them. I guess they were right. Tell em to get lost, cuz you sold them to a "guy" in Arizona.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 6:59:03 AM EDT
whatever happened to america!?! oh yea, i know, 'democrats'. that's what happened. very sad indeed.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 7:04:53 AM EDT
is this just chicago? or does it include suberbs too? what county? I am kind of concerned because I have relatives that live near chicago.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 12:03:54 PM EDT
I wouldn't doubt it. Chicago is a weird place for sure. Getting guns from citizens? Come on now, people dont own guns in Murder Capital USA. [BD]
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 12:54:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jleable: is this just chicago? or does it include suberbs too? what county? I am kind of concerned because I have relatives that live near chicago.
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Just Chicago. They seem to do whatever the heck they want out there. Problem is, the rest of the US thinks Chicago gun laws are also Illinois gun laws. Av.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 1:23:03 PM EDT
We were told by higher ups that according to this "POLICE DEPT. ORDER" any semi-automatic rifle with a detachable box mag is a "ASSAULT WEAPON". This means a Ruger 10/22 is now an assault weapon!When I brought this up -the answer was- either sell it , get it out of the Chicago area, or turn it in. There are other guns that are on this list. The scary part is that the Police and Firemen are first....then a new city ordinance will be written putting citizens in the same boat!
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 5:40:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DOGMAN1: We were told by higher ups that according to this "POLICE DEPT. ORDER" any semi-automatic rifle with a detachable box mag is a "ASSAULT WEAPON". This means a Ruger 10/22 is now an assault weapon!When I brought this up -the answer was- either sell it , get it out of the Chicago area, or turn it in. There are other guns that are on this list. The scary part is that the Police and Firemen are first....then a new city ordinance will be written putting citizens in the same boat!
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If you have a order of this nature. Please pass it on to Conceal Carry or ISRA. They live for this shit. Zerox the damm thing, or take a pic for all to see.
Link Posted: 4/24/2002 5:43:05 PM EDT
So I guess the M14 is out too. Seems like they are taking it further than the 94 crime bill on the definition of an assault rifle. I smell a SHIT STORM brewing.
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 1:17:20 PM EDT
I got this today, different source. c-rock NEW CHICAGO GUN BAN MAY 1ST! THOSE THAT REGISTERED TO LOSE GUNS WHILE GANGS KEEP THEIRS * CHICAGO COPS TO TURN IN ALL BUT DUTY WEAPONS? * CHICAGO'S NEW PRO-GUN FIREFIGHTER UNION CHIEF ROCKS! * DALEY DEATH COUNT UP TO 22 CONCEALED CARRY, INC. MEMBERSHIPS NOW AVAILABLE: www.concealcarry.org/members/ QUOTE OF THE DAY: "Leave your name and number after the beep and I'll return your call--unless, of course, you're some kind of left-wing, pinko commie, then, I probably won't." - Newly Elected Chicago Firefighter Union Chief James McNally IN MEMORIAM --- 22 MURDERED BY MAYOR DALEY'S GUN CONTROL LAWS: Tommy Martin, Jr., April 27, 2002; Shakir Beckley, April 17, 2002; Alexis Martinez, April 16, 2002; Heriberto Murguia, April 13, 2002; Brenda Worship, April 5, 2002; Name Withheld, Kenneth Cooper and Christopher Green, March 23 2002; Bobby Hall, March 17, 2002; Sandar Mosqueda and Adrian Padilla, March 16, 2002; Julio Roldan, March 14, 2002; Antoinette LaShawn Johnshon, February 25, 2002; Marco Mosely, February 14, 2002; Antonio Willis, February 09, 2002; Riad Al-Dhufari, January 27, 2002; Name Withheld, January 27, 2002; Timothy Lewis, January 26, 2002; Jennifer Klein, January 24, 2002; John C. Ullrich, January 21, 2002; Tina Noel, January 17, 2002; Charles Gordon, January 15, 2002 *** http://www.concealcarry.org/memorial.htm DALEY'S HAND PUPPET POLICE SUPERINTENDENT BANS A WHOLE BUNCH OF GUNS ON MAY 1ST! By John Birch, President, Concealed Carry, Inc., PO BOX 4597, Oak Brook, IL 60523 Tel: 630 660-3935 Web: www.concealcarry.org Email: mailto:john@concealcarry.org As of May 1st the Chicago Superintendent of Police (no doubt under order's from Mayor Daley )has promulgated new gun bans for Chicago citizens. I left the spelling errors in just to show you how ignorant the city is. I'm not talking about minor errors either. The subject of this ban is yet again "assault" weapons which the Superintendent spells "assualt." Looks like Mayor Daley is not the only one suffering from a challenged grasp of the English language. HERE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS: 1. All .50 Calibers are banned (Yep, you know how criminals use those .50's!) 2. Bye bye Street Sweeper (The victim of a poor choice in picking a name for a shotgun for sure!) 3. Colt AR-15 (Okay for veterans to carry for their nation, but not as free citizens.) 4. Any gun starting with "TEC" (Gangs will give them up now for sure!) 5. Semi Automatics with pistol grips (And don't forget evil flash suppressors!) 6. You get the idea, no guns for citizens. THERE IS MORE: If you were so stupid as to register your guns with the city....they know you got them! You just lost your guns! And since the criminals didn't bother to register they get to keep theirs! Again the city is going out of it's way to coddle gang bangers and make the streets safe for them. Why Chicagoan's are so passive to this is beyond me. Let the killing continue I guess. THE UPSHOT: We hear, but cannot document yet, that there is another order that complements this one. It mandates Chicago Police must remove all weapons from their homes except their duty weapon also by May 1st. SIGN TO PUT UP ON THE DAN RYAN: "Armed Thugs and Gang Bangers Welcome to Chicago Where Even The Police Might Not Have A Gun!"
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 1:26:14 PM EDT
CHICAGO'S NEW GUN BAN http://www.ci.chi.il.us/CommunityPolicing/AboutCPD/PressReleases/PressRe leases02/PR020408.html Superintendent Hillard Announces Public Notice On Regulations Relating to Assualt (sic) Weapons 08 April 2002 Pursuant to Section 8-20-030(h)(3) of the Municipal Code of Chicago, the Superintendent of Police has promulgated regulations that expand the definition of assualt (sic)weapons that are prohibited withing (sic) the City of Chicago. The regulations were promulgated on March 18, 2002 and go into effect May 1, 2002. Copies of the regulations are available on this site and at: The Office of the City Clerk, 121 N. LaSalle St. Room 107, Chicago, Il 60602 The Gun Registration Program, Chicago Police Dept. Headquarters, 3510 S. Michigan, Room 1027, Chicago, Il 60653 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------- I, Terry G. Hillard, Superintendent of Police of the Chicago Police Department, hereby promulgate the following regulations pursuant to Section 8-20-030(h)(3) of the Municipal Code of Chicago: Section 1.(a) In addition to the weapons defined as assault weapons in Section 8-20-030 of the Municipal Code of Chicago, the following weapons are defined as assault weapons because the design or operation of the weapons is inappropriate for lawful use: i. any of the firearms, or types, replicas, or duplicates in any caliber of the firearms known as: (1) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models); (2) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil; (3) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70); (4) Colt AR-15; (5) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC; (6) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12; (7) Steyr AUG; (8) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; and (9) any shotgun which contains its ammunition in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12; (10) any firearm having a caliber of .50 or greater; ii. a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has [one or more of the following]: (1) a folding or telescoping stock; (2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) a bayonet mount; (4) a flash suppressor or barrel having a threaded muzzle; or (5) a grenade launcher; iii. a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has [one or more of the following]:
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 1:28:53 PM EDT
(1) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (2) a barrel having a threaded muzzle; (3) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel, and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (4) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and (5) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; iv. a semiautomatic shotgun that has [one or more of the following]: (1) a folding or telescoping stock; (2) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; or (4) an ability to accept a detachable magazine. (b) Except as otherwise may be required by Section 8-20-030 of the Municipal Code of Chicago, "assault weapon" does not include: i. any firearm that; (1) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action; (2) has been made permanently inoperable; or ii. any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or iii. any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine. Section 2. These regulations take effect May 01, 2002. Promulgated This 18 day of March, 2002 Terry G. Hillard Superintendent of Police
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 1:51:12 PM EDT
Someones trolling.....
Link Posted: 4/28/2002 3:22:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MAC-DADDY: Someones trolling.....
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Mac, this is from a different source that Dogman1. Really. this was from conceal carry, and pro-freedom group that works in the chicago area. c-rock
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 8:18:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2002 8:19:26 AM EDT by Dave_G]
c-rock, Rather than cut and paste a long informational piece from another source into multiple long posts, please post a single paragraph with a source credit and a link to the original source so those who want to read the whole thing can go to the link. There are potential copyright violation issues when you paste an entire article. Dave G Moderator
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 8:27:59 AM EDT
i don't understand the idea that a leo can only have their duty weapon. what difference does it make? can someone explain the rational behind this may 1 decision. also, where about the idea that civilains will be next. is that documented somewhere?
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 9:13:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_G: c-rock, Rather than cut and paste a long informational piece from another source into multiple long posts, please post a single paragraph with a source credit and a link to the original source so those who want to read the whole thing can go to the link. There are potential copyright violation issues when you paste an entire article. Dave G Moderator
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I wish I could just post a link to it. I got the info from the conceal carry newsletter in email c-rock
Link Posted: 4/29/2002 9:52:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/29/2002 9:53:18 AM EDT by Dave_G]
c-rock, This link points to your entire post... [url=http://www.concealcarry.org/ccnews.htm]READ MOST RECENT CONCEALED CARRY NEWSLETTER[/url] It took all of 10 seconds to find and a minute to post...
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 4:41:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 10:04:32 AM EDT by Dave_G]
[url]http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/first/0429-100.html[/url] The ISRA is warning employees of the Chicago Police Department (CPD) that the department's Chicago Anti-Gun Enforcement (CAGE) unit may soon swoop down on their homes. The warning comes after the release of CPD Notice 02-18, which directs CPD employees to dispose of many of their personally owned firearms by May 1, 2002 or face the consequences. Firearms subject to the disposal order include a previously published list of so-called "assault weapons" as well as many of the rifles typically used to hunt deer and other game in the state. [Edited to activate link. No other changes made. Dave_G]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 5:47:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 5:49:30 AM EDT by 7]
[shock] Wow this is the first I heard about this. Looks like it might be an interesting week in Chicago. Anyone want to post a link to this topic in the GD? [:)]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 6:02:34 AM EDT
Although I live in IL, at least I don't live in Cook County. Plus I'm getting out of this state in 3 months! Av.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 7:29:38 AM EDT
So I still ask you do you think your state is next? This is an outrage to all LEO and private citizens who legally own Guns. Where is the NRA and the groups to protect our rights. Why haven’t the people of IL responded to this? Is it because they don't live in COOK COUNTY? Well folk’s politics know no boundaries. How much money you have invested in your weapons? If you have to get rid of them you think they are going to give you fair market value? Hell no they got you by the Gonads. Either sell them or go to jail. So here is you $100.00 for your $1800.00 Rifle.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 8:51:02 PM EDT
I wonder how many cops will resign or get in a "shoot out" with C.A.G.E.?Cops are gun lovers too.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 9:23:02 PM EDT
As if the Kalifornya experience didn't clarify the issue. It's a sad shame for those who smelled it coming, but just deserts for the rest who were stupid enough to think it couldn't/wouldn't happen "here". Those still living in a free region should watch, learn, & be thankful that we aren't suffering the same ill fate. Yet. [b]For those of you living in WA State, be warned![/b]: I have it on good authority that the issue of confiscation was proposed to troops at Ft. Lewis, but was (thankfully) rejected by same, w/ some explicitly stating their reason being that it would be an illegal order. Nonetheless, the idea was floated. Luckily, it sank. But, the future is always ready to grant an opportunity to those who have the will to persist. Supposedly, the WA State Constitution expressly authorizes private citizens the RKBA. But then again, so does the U.S. Constitution. Chicago is another warning sign for those who can & will see it for what it is - a taste of things to come. [(:)] [heavy][%(]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 9:24:26 PM EDT
It took longer than I thought it would for the tinfoil hat types to join in and take it down to GD level. Off to GD with this topic.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 9:51:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 9:55:35 PM EDT by Uhlek]
Washington State Constitution PREAMBLE. We, the people of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this constitution. ---- ARTICLE 1 Declaration of Rights- ---- SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men. ---- ---- ARTICLE 5 ---- SECTION 4 Public Arms. The legislature shall provide by law, for the protection and safe keeping of the public arms.
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Pretty cool, huh. I'm glad I live in the state with the highest per-capita NRA membership. By LAW I am able to keep my arms. Not my legs, my arms. Whaddaya think about that???[:P]
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:28:47 PM EDT
The President asked that citizens fight the terrorists who hate our freedoms. Now is the time for the patriots in Chicago to take him up on his word.
Link Posted: 4/30/2002 11:56:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/30/2002 11:57:07 PM EDT by kentstate4]
Hell good news for me, any body need a buyer let me know i paid .50 cents on the dollar.[}:D]JK Ilove my state
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 12:07:10 AM EDT
i smell a new NRA letter "LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE POOR GUN OWNERS IN CHICAGO PLEASE SEND US X MONEY SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THIS DOESNT HAPPEN ELSEWERE"
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 3:24:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 4:25:51 AM EDT
When we go to the BRC...Bring lots of money and lets stop off in Chicago. We eill set up a stand LEO and Civies get rid of your Illegal guns here AR 15 bought fo $100.00. Remember this could happen to you Real Soon
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 5:20:32 AM EDT
MAY 1st,......D-DAY in Chicago for gun owners. Good luck CPD Men & Women......City hall is not your friend.......................
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 6:32:56 AM EDT
Cops are gun lovers too.
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I know quite a few cops...and you must know very different ones. I'd say 80% of average police officers don't know or care two-point-shit about guns, and couldn't hit a barn if they were standing inside of it. Of the 20% I know who are good shooters (read: compete regularly outside of "cop only" matches) about one percent are good because of their department's training, and the other 19% are good in spite of it.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:03:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: As was posted earlier. WTF is the NRA and GOA? have they completely written off chicago? Sounds like some major lawsuits of national importance could be filed here.
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You'll note the dates these were first sent out. About three weeks ago. My guess is they are in there working on it, but we're not reading about it in the newspapers yet. Look for requests for court injunctions, etc. You'll also note this news only hit this forum a few days ago. Just because we're not posting links to newspaper articles, doesn't mean nothing's happening. The ISRA is one of the more active state associations around. They already have a couple of lawsuits against Daley & Chicago. This isn't done yet.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:53:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ChuckT:
Originally Posted By Uhlek:
Pretty cool, huh. I'm glad I live in the state with the highest per-capita NRA membership. By LAW I am able to keep my arms. Not my legs, my arms. Whaddaya think about that???[:P]
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I think... why can't we own Class 3 then? Apparently the state gets to decide what we can defend ourselves or the state with. If they get to decide, it can eventually be a single-shot .22 rifle.
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Edited to add: I refer to the state as "they" because the state government is currently infested with a large number of liberals. I just moved back here recently and haven't had the opportunity to vote yet. But you can bet I will! Every vote counts!
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:15:51 PM EDT
Y'know, if the CAGE unit had their heads handed to them by a group of motivated citizens--JUST ONE SINGLE TIME--one of two things would happen: 1) The gun grab would really heat up and it would spark even heavier outrage and civil unrest 2) They would go home with their tail between their legs and have to re-evaluate what the hell it is their doing. No one expected that the big gun grab would go off everywhere at once. It's been happening for years and they're just starting to get bolder and more outrageous. Imagine, a world without guns: The living would envy the dead! I could never give up mine, I'm too proud of them, since I assembled almost all of them myself!
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:48:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By trickshot: Y'know, if the CAGE unit had their heads handed to them by a group of motivated citizens--JUST ONE SINGLE TIME--one of two things would happen: 1) The gun grab would really heat up and it would spark even heavier outrage and civil unrest 2) They would go home with their tail between their legs and have to re-evaluate what the hell it is their doing. No one expected that the big gun grab would go off everywhere at once. It's been happening for years and they're just starting to get bolder and more outrageous. Imagine, a world without guns: The living would envy the dead! I could never give up mine, I'm too proud of them, since I assembled almost all of them myself!
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You mean like a very well planned ambush while they were on their way to joes house. And they need a new swat vehicle? [?]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:55:40 PM EDT
Whelp, that [i]is[/i] too bad for you Chicago residents! I'm sure glad I don't live there. Good thing this type of action will never happen where I live.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 3:09:30 PM EDT
Ypu guys got it wrong. This is good. All the LEO's who registered will lose their weapons. Now we have PROOF that registertion leads to confiscation. Unless the cops who own the weapons do whats right, as demonstrated by the patriots of the 1st war this country fought. WL
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 3:14:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 2:14:22 PM EDT
There has been alot of scuttlebut on both sides concerning this issue. The warriors I know and have consulted with have stated holeheartly that they WILL NOT GIVE UP THEIR GUNS. Now the Department has just issued a City Wide Memo to all the troops assuring them that CAGE and IAD will not go to LEOs homes to see if those officers have complied with the new ordinance. Well the line has been drawn now we see if those LIBERAL non working wannabe coppers on the CAGE team will actually go to a coppers house. I've seen them in action and they are dangerous. To gun owners, because they think evrything is an assault weapon and no one should have guns. The police should have to leave their guns at the station after a tour of duty. And thats from a CAGE team officer! So now we will see if fellow officers when given an order to conduct and execute a search warrant on a Fellow Police Officer-will go thru with it. This being done to further Mayor Daley and Rod Blagoivich's political careers. Don't come knocking you may not like what answers. The Government IS NOT YOUR FRIEND. Remember"ANNUIT COEPTIS NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM" The Birth of The New World Order... WACO , Ruby Ridge , KALIFORNIA, Australia ...Chicago? Stand fast and fight! DOGMAN OUT.
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 2:59:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stubbs: Whelp, that [i]is[/i] too bad for you Chicago residents! I'm sure glad I don't live there. Good thing this type of action will never happen where I live.
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I'm hoping you meant that as sarcasm. If you think what happens in another city WON'T happen where you live, you are kidding yourself. If it DOES happen there, it will spread. We need to stick together as lawful owners of guns, and try to keep it so that we can remain lawful owners of guns. If anyone organizes a MILLION GUN MARCH on Chicago, count me in. This is the U.S.A. We have to stick up for each other no matter where we live. If all else fails, let's all get to Texas and start digging the moat... [;)] Hope ya'll Texans wouldn't mind having us.
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 3:10:38 PM EDT
Come on down to Texas. But those in cars with out-of-state tags should be prepared to be stopped and searched for guns at the state line. Any cars [b]not[/b] containing guns will be turned away and sent packing. No exceptions. [shotgun]
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 4:49:21 PM EDT
WHERE IS THE NRA? THE PRESS?
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 4:57:12 PM EDT
Yeah, where is the press? I mentioned this whole thing to my parents last night while we were cooking dinner. Now my dad was shot and owned rifles all his life, but he and my mom were both, shall we say, apprehensize about the AR-180B I brought home. When I told him about Chicago he basically said they'd never get ours. Not like they'd stand a chance of banning guns in Northeast PA, but hell, my dad said he'd never register his rifles either in the same breath. I was proud of me old man.
Link Posted: 5/2/2002 8:08:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DOGMAN1: WHERE IS THE NRA? THE PRESS?
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LAUGHING THERE ASSES OFF AT THE DUMBASS PEOPLE FOR SUPPORTING THEM. PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE N.R.A. SUCKS !
Link Posted: 5/4/2002 8:14:22 AM EDT
Those CAGE boys seem like they need to play a round or two with a few determined gun owners. Whether they be cops or ordinary citizens.
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