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Posted: 4/16/2002 11:03:05 AM EDT
It creates disention among gun enthusiasts. It has NOTHING to do with guns. It alienates secular shooters who might otherwise post here. It creates controversy as most faiths conflict in beliefs. It helps reinforce the media notion that all gun owners are religious zealots. It helps reinforce the notion that all things like gun ownership and religion are anitquated, outdated and unecessary in modern society. It helps reinforce the notion that gun owners are not able to think for themselves but follow the NRA as blindly as the Bible. And I could think of several more, but that is a start. But let me get to the REAL point of my post. Several "members" have been critical of me for posting topics like: Do Any Of You Guys REALLY Believe In The Devil? KENT STATE Over 30 Years Later... OK, A SERIOUS Religious Question... So Where The HELL Were We...? Galileo's Letter to the Church (1632) Sexual Faux Pas... Your Custom Horoscope... Israels "Final Soultion"...TRANSFER Female Israeli Soldiers In Combat... because they create dissention and cause arguments. But for every reason they give on why I shouldn't post the above topics I can give the SAME reason for them to not post THEIR topics. And of coure while they are busy demonizing me and suggesting my only contributions are PORN (if you want to count pictures of females that I posted long ago as porn) and controversial topics that only cause trouble. All the while ignoring posts like: AR15.com. ARMY Call Up...NEW MISSION... Things To Do Before You DIE.. Attacking the MYTH... So What Worked For You? Unbelieveable Achievements You May NOT Know... But more importantly, the reason people post about religion is the same reason I post about a wide variety of topics. BECAUSE YOU CAN.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:03:42 AM EDT
This is the General Discussion Forum, the topic IS General Discussion. You can post about religion, I can post about the problems associated with religion or any other topic for that matter. And so can anyone else. You can disagree with me, and I can disagree with you. That is the point. If you prefer not to post with the "unwashed" and those like me, that is why they created the "Team AR15.Com [Restricted] The Team AR15.Com Clubhouse" Forum. So you don't have to suffer the pointless diversion of the General Discussion Forum. It is also the reason they created the "General Firearm Discussion Firearm based discussions" Forum. So am I preventing you from talking about guns? NO. Do you have a place to post and bring the kids where I won't bother you? YES. Buy a Team AR15 membership and never suffer my opinions again. Leave me and the rest of the uncouth in GD purgatory. Because the problem is actually this. If I were just someone that disagreed with you, you wouldn't care. But because I effectively challenge and counter certain "sacred institutions" like the Church, The Republican Party and the NRA when they fall short or fail to act in our best interests those who blindly support them get their panties kinda bunched up. So if you only want to talk about guns: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?id=74[/url] If you want a place "like" the GD but free of me: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/forum.html?id=75[/url] If you want a gun forum run by Christians and for Christians: [url]http://assaultweb.net/[/url] And if you want to really take me to task: [url]http://www.full-auto.com/[/url] But in the meantime I'm gonna continue to post in the GD, as long as the heathen Goat permits. I will disagree with topics I don't agree with. And when I find a person lacking in the correct facts I will correct them. Much like other members do with me. Looking forward to the first dumbass who cannot read who says I posted "We shouldn't have religious discussions in the GD." Sorry to everyone else, I'm just getting sick of the NEW Bible Club and their Inquisition to cleanse the AR-15.com General Discussion Forum.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:12:53 AM EDT
Steyr, I have no problem with whatever you and the others post. Honestly, the GD forums nowadays have been quite bland and in need of some stirring up. Besides, if I do not like the topic or the topic author, I do not click on it anyway. riddler
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:17:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: It alienates secular shooters who might otherwise post here.
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Feel free to join them at any time....
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:27:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Oilhead:
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: It alienates secular shooters who might otherwise post here.
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Feel free to join them at any time....
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How did I just KNOW you would be the first dumass?
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: Looking forward to the first dumbass who cannot read who says I posted "We shouldn't have religious discussions in the GD."
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Now why don't you go play in the Private Ar15.com Team Clubhouse. I swear it will be neat. You and other people just like you can start posts like "SteyrAUG is a Asshole" and "Boy I sure Hate SteyrAUG" or "SteyrAUG is a bad man who is mean and makes the Baby Jesus Cry." And the beauty part is, I won't be able to respond and point out how stupid you are. It will be neato I swear.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:31:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:33:19 AM EDT
Why post babe of the day threads? It creates disention among gun enthusiasts. It has NOTHING to do with guns. It alienates women shooters who might otherwise post here. It creates controversy of differing beliefs. It helps reinforce the media notion that all gun owners are male chavanists. And I could think of several more, but that is a start. ... You could fill in the blank with the above text with any non-gun-related topic. Do any of you guys want to get rid of all non-gun topics? I don't think so, so I don't think one should complain about religion discussions unless they want to get rid of all off-topic discussions.z
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:37:33 AM EDT
Originally Posted By zoom: Why post babe of the day threads? It creates disention among gun enthusiasts. It has NOTHING to do with guns. It alienates women shooters who might otherwise post here. It creates controversy of differing beliefs. It helps reinforce the media notion that all gun owners are male chavanists. And I could think of several more, but that is a start. ... You could fill in the blank with the above text with any non-gun-related topic. Do any of you guys want to get rid of all non-gun topics? I don't think so, so I don't think one should complain about religion discussions unless they want to get rid of all off-topic discussions.z
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CONGRATULATIONS, you completely grasped ONE PART of my original post. Far better than most. Since you are so advanced I will simply tell you the other part. I was in fact NOT suggesting we do away with religious topics.
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: But more importantly, the reason people post about religion is the same reason I post about a wide variety of topics. BECAUSE YOU CAN. This is the General Discussion Forum, the topic IS General Discussion. You can post about religion, I can post about the problems associated with religion or any other topic for that matter. And so can anyone else. You can disagree with me, and I can disagree with you. That is the point.
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Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:42:56 AM EDT
iron sharpens iron. the topics you come up with provide a source for me to test my beliefs and assumptions hang loose.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:44:28 AM EDT
I suppose I agree with you on this topic... BUT STEYR I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TOPICS ON PORN... [;)] I especially like the cross dressing shots you posted...
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:45:04 AM EDT
Jebus Crunch on a rusty pogo stick, people... Granted, I'll state now that I'm not Goatboy, I can't read his mind or understand his motives and intentions, but it seems to me as pretty common knowledge that a General Discussion forum is for all the dredged sludge that wouldn't go anywhere else. You wanna talk about religion? Fine, GenDis is for you. You wanna talk about Israel v/s Palestine? Use GenDis as your platform. You want to post either of these topics in the Reloading forum, or General Firearms, or any other place with a frikkin' established topic, THEN you are in the wrong. SteyrAUG, IMHO, has followed the general outline of every single other GenDis forum on every other website I've ever seen - if it doesn't (or wouldn't) fit anywhere else, then it belongs here! You don't like a thread? STOP READING IT. Don't like religious topics? DON'T RESPOND. Want to state a point in disagreement? GO RIGHT AHEAD. If you don't like being in the sewers here in GenDis, clean yourself off and go somewhere else. Yeah, I'm the FNG here. Yeah, my postcount isn't in the thousands. I'm a newbie, WTF should [b]I[/b] know. I know that I'm sick of the bitching about ANY type of post here in General Discussion, SteyrAUG's AND otherwise. the_reject
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:50:23 AM EDT
SteyrAUG - as one who seldom posted on religious topics until 'challenged' to do so, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with posting whatever you feel like posting in the GD Forum! BTW, 'GD' stands for 'General Discussion' - I don't want garandman claiming I'm taking the Lord's name in vain again! [:D] So if you want to post on Jesus, etc., go ahead and let it rip! Just be prepared to catch some flak, that's all! But we're all big boys and girls around here. Wasn't it Socrates who said that the unexamined life was not worth living? And wasn't it Paul who told his fellow believers to be ready to give and account for the faith they had in Jesus Christ? So there you have it from both sides - Pagan and Christian - to examine your beliefs, my beliefs, that fellow behind the tree's beliefs. All God's chillun's beliefs! Eric The(JustRememberTheCode!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:51:23 AM EDT
in GD you can post about religion or israel if you like, but it gets repetitive after the first 1000 times.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:57:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 12:07:24 PM EDT
'Cuz. Actually, its a conspiracy in order to get someone to post a thread titled "Why Do You Post About Religion On A Gun Forum? " Hey look - it worked!!!! Gospel and guns both begin with "g" so they must be related. Somehow.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 12:36:40 PM EDT
Why not? If you psyche is too fragile to stomache anything other than pure technical data, go to the thread marked GENERAL FIREARMS DISCUSSION. It shouldn't be too hard to find...
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 12:39:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 12:48:55 PM EDT
ROFLMAO........... you guys crack me up....
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 1:20:51 PM EDT
Kinda like taking the handle [b]Steyr Aug[/b] and posting on the [b]AR15[/b] forum anything to create controversy...then again some thrive or feed on controversy..depending on ones perspective.. Dont worry no one can be converted against his will... A man convinced against his will..is of the same opinion still....Burma Shave BTW Jesus is the truth the way and the life..and no man comes to the Father but by the Son...its a fact Jack...:) freedom of speech...I love it...
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 1:43:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Why is it that a certain member never seems to be happy unless he is whining about others not being nice to him? He also never seems to be happy unless there is controversy of some type?
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I've explained this before but will do it again. I don't whine about others being nice to me. I actually don't care if people like me or not. Thought that would be apparent by now. But I will challenge opinions that I disagree with. Thus the controversy.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: I strongly prefer to get along with everyone, but the bi-monthly bitch sessions are tedious.
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I don't prefer to get along with everyone. I agree with some and disagree with others. As a result chips fall. And I don't start bitch threads, but merely respond to them. See "SteyrAUG is a one eyed jack" for example.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: SteyrAUG, you are knowledgeable, intelligent, fun to have around, and very popular here with most. Why the chip on your shoulder?
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Not a chip. Just a willingness to be honest and realistic in my view of the world.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Post/respond as you see fit. Disagree, agree, argue, start threads, etc. until you are happy.
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As you know I will.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Feel free to ignore anything that does not amuse you, but why do you need to do this type of thing with such monotonous regularity?
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To address my detractors who seem to be able to bitch/whine/complain about ME with immunity. You will find most of my posts are replies to attacks.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: Last time you got yourself banned. Will that be the next chapter (again)?
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Just to clear that up, I got banned because I "strongly" objected to a moderator locking a post the CONFORMED to AR15 standards. MANY agreed that it was wrong. I've never been banned for my opinions.
Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1: I'm not flaming you, or trying to make you into an enemy. I'm attempting to offer [i]constructive[/i] criticism from 1500 miles away. I hope you will accept it as such. [:)]
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That is why I answered you in the way that I did.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:00:06 PM EDT
[puke]
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:00:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:29:52 PM EDT
Challenging, or at least questioning, conventional wisdom from any direction can only be a good thing IMO...
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:32:18 PM EDT
Why in the world would anyone want to visit a discussion forum that is filled with nothing but fluffy discussions and "yes-man" replies. I don't visit this forum because everyone marches in lock-step and fills thread after thread with replies of "Yep" and "What he said" and "Dittos". I've also been accused by some of being a bit over-the-top in my replies, but hell, it gets the blood moving around here! Comradery and common agreements are fine and encouraging, but to post a thread like the "one-eyed-jack" thread is just asinine and pointless - which is why I steered clear of it. [b]SteyrAUG[/b], post whatever the hell you want and let all those sniveling, lily-licking, hypersensitive cry-babies just wet themselves while they tremble with fear because you posted a CHALLENGING and MATURE thread.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:36:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: All the while ignoring posts like:
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[b]Why Do You Post About Religion On A Gun Forum?[/b] [;D] LMAO!!! J/K SA Tyler
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 2:47:57 PM EDT
Just for the record, Jesus was a .45 man.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 4:06:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 7:22:49 PM EDT
SteyrAug, I think we're all grown adults who can read. I think the Conduct Code is understandable and easy to follow. You should have the right to post something (within the conduct code guidelines) just like anyone else does. I've been visiting this site for over a year and most of the time I just read posts. I'll have to admit some have been hilarious while others have been distasteful, but I am the one who chooses to read them, or not read them. Post away. p.s. has anyone posted about the man on the moon. I think everything else has been covered already.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 9:17:09 PM EDT
I'm fairly new to this site (which is great by the way) and I think the general discussion forum is great. Yeah, we were all probably drawn here by our basic interest in weapons. But we also have other interests (hopefully) and this is the best part. It's a community and if we can't discuss other topics besides weaponry, we've been reduced to being fanatics. I think it makes this website healthier when we talk about other topics in our lives besides gns.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 9:46:41 PM EDT
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, and we'll all stay free!
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 9:52:07 PM EDT
Ah, the saga conitunes on the AR15.com soaps!
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 9:52:45 PM EDT
IMHO, guns and religion go together because a gun may have you meet your maker at anytime. If I get into gun fight, I want my God with me. You guys do what you want, but as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord.
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 10:13:32 PM EDT
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By magnum_99: Just for the record, Jesus was a .45 man. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not really. First of all, He was a horseman: cavalry I expect. Job 39:19-25 "Hast thou given the horse strength? Hast thou clothed his neck with thunder? Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? The glory of his nostrils is terrible. He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men. He mocketh at fear, and is not affrightened; neither turneth he back from the sword. The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield. He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet. He saith among the trumpets, Ha, Ha! And he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting" And Rev 19:11, "...and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called faithful and true..." And He prefers the sword, Rev 19:15. "And out of His mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations..."
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Link Posted: 4/17/2002 9:01:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By magnum_99: Just for the record, Jesus was a .45 man.
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No, he wasn't. Jesus used a .357 magnum. It's prophesied over and over in the Old Testament and then mentioned repeatedly in the New Testament.
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 9:55:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: It helps reinforce the media notion that all gun owners are religious zealots.
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We Are [:D] In addition Steyr where do you find the time Like I said before, this is the first forum that allows a vast variety of topics to be posted without premature locking, I like that. So post away, I find your comments humorous and sometimes informative.
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 12:27:41 PM EDT
So the whole point of this thread was to discuss SteyrAUG's "General Discussion Forum Manifesto?" Listen man, you gotta find a better way to fulfill that incredible "pay attention to me" [bounce] craving you got. Have you tried flashing a group of nuns?
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 12:39:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MIerinMD: So the whole point of this thread was to discuss SteyrAUG's "General Discussion Forum Manifesto?" Listen man, you gotta find a better way to fulfill that incredible "pay attention to me" [bounce] craving you got. Have you tried flashing a group of nuns?
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OK that it MIerin, I'm sending you my dry cleaner bill, thats funny. I should know better to drink coffe while reading these forums[;)]
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 12:49:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: "Now why don't you go play in the Private Ar15.com Team Clubhouse. I swear it will be neat. You and other people just like you can start posts like "SteyrAUG is a Asshole" and "Boy I sure Hate SteyrAUG" or "SteyrAUG is a bad man who is mean and makes the Baby Jesus Cry." And the beauty part is, I won't be able to respond and point out how stupid you are. It will be neato I swear." sorry SA but those topics have already been beaten to death in the club house. in fact "SteyrAUG is a bad man who is mean and makes the Baby Jesus Cry." is surpassing 9mm vs .45 threads already. [:)] mike
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LMAO "SteyrAUG is a bad man who is mean and makes the Baby Jesus Cry." Where is a link to that other thread???
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