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Posted: 4/15/2002 5:11:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/15/2002 5:12:21 AM EDT by 5subslr5]
Geraldo, FOX NEWS, Saturday night is the source. The money given to Israel by U.S. taxpayers is just that - a cash gift each year and averages over $4 Billion per year since 1994. This money is not, I repeat NOT given as AID and Israel does not have to buy anything from U.S. manufacturers. The money goes on the first day of each fiscal year into an Israeli bank account and even draws interest until Israel spends the money - where ever and on what ever it sees fit. Also some per capita income figures: Israel about $19,000 per year Palestinians about $1,000 per year. The pending AID request from the Palestinians is about $75 Million and for water treatment plants built by U.S. companies. Since 1994 Israel has taken U.S. taxpayers for over $36 Billion dollars while the Palestinians have taken us for about $.8 Billion.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:18:21 AM EDT
BY LAW - Israel is required to buy about 1.5 billion from US defense contractors. I think Geraldo should get his facts straight before he "reports the news". I don't suppose that is too much to ask?
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:23:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf: BY LAW - Israel is required to buy about 1.5 billion from US defense contractors. I think Geraldo should get his facts straight before he "reports the news". I don't suppose that is too much to ask?
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Torf, to be fair to Geraldo it was another person (female) doing his show. I can only post information from the table that was put on the screen and what was said. 'Apparently' AID has a specific meaning and the money to Israel is not given as AID.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:34:04 AM EDT
Where are all the Libertarians that populate this site? And why are they NOT screaming against this $4 billion annual GIFT to Israel?? Why are the conservatives SILENT about this "foreign welfare" payment??? "Everyone is a fiscal conservative - UNTIL cutting Federal spending would take money out of THEIR pocket, or de-fund THEIR pet project." -- garandman(you can quote me on that) [sarcasm] And is "fair to Geraldo" a concept we should even worry about??? [/sarcasm] [}:D]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:54:13 AM EDT
NO!! This can't be true!! Even if we do just give the money to Israel, it's worth it. I love to spend my money on a country which not only does NOTHING for us, but also causes us a multitude of political problems. Yup, money well spent. That country is such a f**king waste of our time and resources.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:57:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: [sarcasm] And is "fair to Geraldo" a concept we should even worry about??? [/sarcasm] [}:D]
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Probably not but Torf challenged directly and I thought it was right to mention that although the show was Geraldo's he was not actually present Saturday night.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 5:59:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Chimborazo: NO!! This can't be true!! Even if we do just give the money to Israel, it's worth it. I love to spend my money on a country which not only does NOTHING for us, but also causes us a multitude of political problems. Yup, money well spent. That country is such a f**king waste of our time and resources.
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All true and to me maybe worse because in this post Clinton era our own military desperately needs those dollars to rebuild.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:02:49 AM EDT
Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but I love what our money has bought us in Israel! I simply can't complain about anything![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img] Now, since 1966, and the start of the 'Great Society' there has been more than $5 Trillion Dollars spent on transfer payments, otherwise known as 'redistribution of the wealth' right here in the good old USA! Can you see one gull-durned thing that has been improved in any manner for all the money that has been spent? Well, you may continue complaining about the piddling amounts 'wasted' on Israel, and I'll continue to carp about the large amounts that are 'wasted' on the riff-raff locally! Is that a deal? [:D] Eric The(WhereWereYouThisWeekend?AWOLAgain?)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:07:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Now, since 1966, and the start of the 'Great Society' there has been more than $5 Trillion Dollars spent on transfer payments, otherwise known as 'redistribution of the wealth' right here in the good old USA! [:D] Eric The(WhereWereYouThisWeekend?AWOLAgain?)Hun[>]:)]
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(Drove home late, late Friday night.) Eric, actually we should go back to Roosevelt and the New Deal. Prior to Roosevelt the government collected only enough taxes to fund the government. With Roosevelt came the idea and implementation of using the Federal Income Tax system to redistribute the nations wealth.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:11:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By garandman: [sarcasm] And is "fair to Geraldo" a concept we should even worry about??? [/sarcasm] [}:D]
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Probably not but Torf challenged directly and I thought it was right to mention that although the show was Geraldo's he was not actually present Saturday night.
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Fair enough, but regardless... Don't you think that Geraldo should be responsible for the content of his show? Whether he is actually present or not, he must uphold standards for research and reporting. Any host of a show is responsible for what their substitutes say. This is why Rush Limbaugh has only a few fill-in hosts for when he is absent. 1. The host must preserve the format and schedule of the show. 2. The host must communicate in an effective manner. 3. The host must excercise 'due diligence' to be responsible for the content of the show. 4. The host must attract or retain an audience by being a vibrant personality on the air. I think that if any of these principles were violated, Geraldo should he held responsible. I would expect no less from any other.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:13:04 AM EDT
popcorn, who's bringing the popcorn?
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:17:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lurker: popcorn, who's bringing the popcorn?
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Uh, the HUN has tied up the popcorn concession and all proceeds go 'indirectly' to Israel.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:17:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Now, since 1966, and the start of the 'Great Society' there has been more than $5 Trillion Dollars spent on transfer payments, otherwise known as 'redistribution of the wealth' right here in the good old USA! Eric The(WhereWereYouThisWeekend?AWOLAgain?)Hun[>]:)]
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And that pisses me off immensely as well. In fact, just as much.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:18:52 AM EDT
We should go back prior to the 'Great Society' and see what FDR and that group did to us. My grandfather, a veteran from WWI, who did [b]not[/b] go to Washington, DC, as a part of the 'Bonus Army', told me on several occasions that [b]'once the doors to the Treasury are opened, only blood will close them again.'[/b] Now I don't know if he made up that saying, or if it was something that came up in current conversation back in those days, but it sure made sense to me when I was growing up on a hardscrabble farm in West Texas. BTW, I did a quick google search for that phrase and came up with nada. Pretty sharp dude, my grandfather![:D] Eric The(AnElderInTheCofC)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:23:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Well, you may continue complaining about the piddling amounts 'wasted' on Israel, and I'll continue to carp about the large amounts that are 'wasted' on the riff-raff locally! Is that a deal? [:D] Eric The(WhereWereYouThisWeekend?AWOLAgain?)Hun[>]:)]
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I'm gonna keep bitching about both.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:30:18 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:30:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Well, you may continue complaining about the piddling amounts 'wasted' on Israel, and I'll continue to carp about the large amounts that are 'wasted' on the riff-raff locally! Is that a deal? [:D] Hun[>]:)]
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Which in my world makes you a PART-TIME conservative. Like I said above, you're a fiscal conservative - UNTIL cutting Federal spending would de-fund YOUR pet project. Please find for me in the Constitution (you know, that document you cite when it supports things you like, but you ignore when it doesn't support things you like) where it says I should be paying for foreign gov'ts survival. You want to give Israel $$$? FINE. WHip out YOUR checkbook and cut them a $2 million dollar check, if you wish. BUT GET THE #@!! OUT OF MY POCKET!!!!! Via the Federal gov't, you are FORCING your view of the world (and in part, your religion)on me. To the point where if I DON'T pay for your pet project, I lose my home, my job and my freedom. NO WAY is that morally right. The God I serve is capable of defending ANY PEOPLE without the Fedral gov't, at your behest, blackmailing me. And I'm tired of it.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:37:14 AM EDT
Thanks, garandman, for your shekels, er, dollars![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:49:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ilikelegs: 5subslr5 I find it amusing that you would even bother posting a report from Geraldo.
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Glad to provide some free entertainmnet for you. Don't forget to buy some HUN popcorn. Eric T. says it is for a worthy cause !
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:50:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Thanks, garandman, for your shekels, er, dollars![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img]
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And thank you for your part-time socialism, theft and blackmail, and violation of the U.S. Constitution. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:51:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Where are all the Libertarians that populate this site? And why are they NOT screaming against this $4 billion annual GIFT to Israel??
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I'm coming, I'm coming! Geez, I don't hang around this site 24/7! [:D] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Is that enough screaming? no I don't think so! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! A little better! [:D] Seriously now, this "gift" is totally wrong, and unconstitutional. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that authorizes this kind of wealth transfer. Both kinds of wealth transfer are immoral and unconstitutional: transfers to citizens here, and transfers to citizens over there. Want to give money to Israel? Fine, send them your money yourself, or amend the Constitution. The first one is fine, but I'll fight against the second one. Don't forget what Thomas Jefferson said: "To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:54:29 AM EDT
Me? I haven't paid one red cent, passed one law, or signed one bill? You must mean the US politicians who have done such things. [b]Not me![/b] I'm just the happy.yid![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:54:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf: BY LAW - Israel is required to buy about 1.5 billion from US defense contractors.
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Torf, which law requires Israel to buy $1.5 Billion from U.S. contractors ?? (Not a flame but a real question.)
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:55:57 AM EDT
Looks like a few of you need an economics lesson. First, let me say I would be happy if we gave $0 to Israel, NATO, the EU, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, South Africa, etc. The $4 billion (it was $3 billion last I heard..) is a pretty small fraction of our budget. We spend $1 trillion per year now just on old-age programs (social security and medicare). "Palestinians" are poor for a number of reasons. For one thing they are run as a dictatorship with little economic freedom. As a result no one is willing to invest any money in their controlled areas. So they have to cross the border to Israel or Jordan to get work. They also have a huge brain drain problem where any smart or well-educated Arab leaves for the US, Canada, or elsewhere (including the Gulf and Lebanon). If they ever settle on peace, and free up their economy and allow political freedom then their economy will grow and the Arabs there will prosper. With all their oil, Saudi Arabia has a per capita GDP of around $7500. Israel's GDP is higher because they are smarter, invest more, and have a free market economy and a free political system. GunLvr
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 6:56:27 AM EDT
Isn't if strange how anything that slams Israel is 'the truth', but anything that slams the Palestinians is 'a lie'?
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:02:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Me? I haven't paid one red cent, passed one law, or signed one bill? You must mean the US politicians who have done such things. [b]Not me![/b] I'm just the happy.yid![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img]
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And I'm the unhappy AMERICAN. Yer just an accessory to the crime. You benefit from their illegalities, and questionable loyalties. Yer pet project is funded thru theft and blackmail of me. And their violations of the CONTUS. And you seem to care less about it. UNLESS they do it and it DOESN"T fund yer pet project. I believe that's called hypocrisy. A TRUE conservative would have a problem with that. You apparently just want to make jokes. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:03:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: First, let me say I would be happy if we gave $0 to Israel, NATO, the EU, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, South Africa, etc. GunLvr
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And I would and do whole heartedly agree. We need all the money to rebuild our own military as we're going to do most of the fighting. (According to the spell checker, "GunLvrPHD" should be spelled "Unflavored!")
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:07:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG: Isn't if strange how anything that slams Israel is 'the truth', but anything that slams the Palestinians is 'a lie'?
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I don't believe either group tells much that isn't a lie. During the recent Israeli incursion into the Palestinian Occupied Territories the Palestinians say everyone killed was a civilian while the Israelis say everyone killed was a Palestinian gunman. Both lie.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:09:39 AM EDT
[b]subsailor[/b], go to:[url]http://www.fpc.gov/CRS_REPS/ifa0114.pdf[/url] I can't verify that the site is correct, but it is interesting. Eric The(Helpful)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:10:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: Looks like a few of you need an economics lesson. With all their oil, Saudi Arabia has a per capita GDP of around $7500. Israel's GDP is higher because they are smarter, invest more, and have a free market economy and a free political system. GunLvr
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I didn't address GDP; only per capita income.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:16:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: [b]subsailor[/b], go to:[url]http://www.fpc.gov/CRS_REPS/ifa0114.pdf[/url] I can't verify that the site is correct, but it is interesting. Eric The(Helpful)Hun[>]:)]
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Eric, I have no idea whether this site is correct either but it is interesting. Explains how differing amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Israel might all be accurate. Just depends on, for example, whether or not loans with no repayment clause are counted as loans or gifts. Thanks as the site is interesting.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:28:18 AM EDT
Post from garandman -
And I'm the unhappy AMERICAN.
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Cheer up, the good guys are winning!
Yer just an accessory to the crime.
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Crime? There is a crime being committed here?
You benefit from their illegalities, and questionable loyalties.
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Illegalities? Questionable loyalties? Just who are you talking about?
Yer pet project is funded thru theft and blackmail of me.
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I seriously doubt that! Tell you what garandman, show me a copy of your 2001 income tax return, and I will send you 1% of the amount that you paid in taxes to offset what might have been paid by you, indirectly, to Israel! [b]Is that fair?[/b] Will that stop your moaning and bitching about Israel? I doubt it!
And their violations of the CONTUS.
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When was foreign aid ever held to violate the US Constititution? When did that happen? And a whole lot more of your tax money goes to a lot of local folks here in the USA, that I'm certain you wouldn't voluntarily pay any money to either, right? Are you gonna get the same offer from them as you got from me? Nope!
And you seem to care less about it. UNLESS they do it and it DOESN"T fund yer pet project.
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Not my 'pet project' garandman, but apparently the 'pet project' of a whole lotta people in the USA.
I believe that's called hypocrisy.
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No, Sir, I believe that is called good common sense, such as when the Preamble sets forth the very reasons for the Constitution - to 'provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity...' A lot of folks, me and a great many, if not most, Americans included, would think that helping Israel out militarily is, in fact, helping to provide for our common defense.
A TRUE conservative would have a problem with that.
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Is your view of a 'TRUE conservative' anything like a 'TRULY saved' Christian? [:D]
You apparently just want to make jokes.
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I make points, sometimes with humor, sometimes without, but always, [u]points[/u]! You may not agree with them, or laugh with them, but I'm making them for a much wider audience, if you will allow me. Eric The(Reasonable,AsAlways)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:32:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Sorry, [b]subsailor[/b], but I love what our money has bought us in Israel! I simply can't complain about anything![img]http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/happyyid.gif[/img]
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It's your home away from home, I know! (But what about the rest of us that aren't so keen on this never-ending gravy train?)
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:42:15 AM EDT
Post from 5subslr5 -
Eric, I have no idea whether this site is correct either but it is interesting. Explains how differing amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Israel might all be accurate. Just depends on, for example, whether or not loans with no repayment clause are counted as loans or gifts. Thanks as the site is interesting.
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Thanks, [b]subsailor[/b], this Hun is always fair and willing to help out a fine fellow such as yourself, even if you do have a strange tendency to scamper back home to OK, knowing that there's a huge Gun Show in Dallas, the next day, with a huge crowd of your personal fans awaiting you! I had everyone set up for autographs, photos, debriefings, etc., and then the Star failed to appear in the Northern sky! I drank like a subsailor, sobbing miserably in my grog. Anyway, they carried me out of Uncle Julio's, sobbing like DaMan at a showing of IDF after-action videos. Eric The(Inconsolable)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:46:45 AM EDT
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[b]"Bill Clinton is our greatest president, ever, and is being persecuted by the Republicans" Geraldo, CNBC, Saturday night (1998)is the source.[/b] I guess it all depends on what you WANT to believe is true.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 7:52:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Post from 5subslr5 -
Eric, I have no idea whether this site is correct either but it is interesting. Explains how differing amounts of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Israel might all be accurate. Just depends on, for example, whether or not loans with no repayment clause are counted as loans or gifts. Thanks as the site is interesting.
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Thanks, [b]subsailor[/b], this Hun is always fair and willing to help out a fine fellow such as yourself, even if you do have a strange tendency to scamper back home to OK, knowing that there's a huge Gun Show in Dallas, the next day, with a huge crowd of your personal fans awaiting you! I had everyone set up for autographs, photos, debriefings, etc., and then the Star failed to appear in the Northern sky! I drank like a subsailor, sobbing miserably in my grog. Anyway, they carried me out of Uncle Julio's, sobbing like DaMan at a showing of IDF after-action videos. Eric The(Inconsolable)Hun[>]:)]
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Eric, I had my check book with me and didn't want to chance going near a gunshow ! Actually, my meeting ended earlier than expected and literally I had my back door propped open so that my three Chows could go in and out. I figure anyone who canget past the Chows can have a couple of guns but still I wasn't comfortable with the situation. In my recent frame of mind there would have been two of us carried from Uncle Julios !
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:26:37 AM EDT
OK, [b]subsailor[/b], we'll let you off with just a warning and no letter in your permanent file. If you'd just spend some quality time with those chows, as I did with Scooter, teaching them the basics of handling firearms and a couple of hours at the range, you'd have no trouble at all. Well, maybe. Scooter is still facing charges for an incident involving a Postal deliveryman and a pellet rifle. I'm using the old 'irresistible impulse' defense for Scooter. I mean, he's a beagle, fer crying out loud! He thinks he's supposed to shoot mailcarriers! Eric The(Alas!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:31:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: Tell you what garandman, show me a copy of your 2001 income tax return, and I will send you 1% of the amount that you paid in taxes to offset what might have been paid by you, indirectly, to Israel! [b]Is that fair?[/b] Will that stop your moaning and bitching about Israel? I doubt it! Eric The(Reasonable,AsAlways)Hun[>]:)]
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It always amusing to watch someone pronounce themselves "reasonable." [}:D] This year alone, by your formula, that would be $120. Agree to pay me that same 1% EVERY YEAR we pay Israel their blood money, AND YOU GOT A DEAL!!!!!!!!! Will you do that???? I doubt it.
Is your view of a 'TRUE conservative' anything like a 'TRULY saved' Christian?
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EXACTLY the same standard. As well as a "true American." And that standard is (drum roll please) "By their fruits you shall know them." I too am playing to a larger audience. An audience that watches you make EXCUSES for ignoring the Constitution, and stealing money from me to fund "foreign welfare" to Israel, all the while you are railing against "domestic welfare" for actual Americans. And only a lawyer could read "foreign welfare" into the Preamble of the Constitution. Bill and Hill are lawyers too. [}:D] 'Splains ALOT.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:36:00 AM EDT
The only thing worse than the lawyers are the bean-counters. Both have ill-shaped our society.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:36:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: [b]"Bill Clinton is our greatest president, ever, and is being persecuted by the Republicans" Geraldo, CNBC, Saturday night (1998)is the source.[/b] I guess it all depends on what you WANT to believe is true.
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Cincinnatus, as a 'general' rule I don't believe much that the media has to offer. I tried to accurately post what was shown and said and posted the source. My position is not one dime to either Israel or the Palestinians. Let's rebuild our own military with the money.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:47:34 AM EDT
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This year alone, by your formula, that would be $120.
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1% of the income taxes you paid in 2001 is $120.00? [b]garandman[/b], I am impressed!
Agree to pay me that same 1% EVERY YEAR we pay Israel their blood money, AND YOU GOT A DEAL!!!!!!!!! Will you do that????
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Surely, but I believe that we will never agree on a figure because you use the term 'blood money' and I don't think we pay Israel a dime in 'blood money.'
I doubt it.
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I doubt it too!
EXACTLY the same standard. As well as a "true American." And that standard is (drum roll please) "By their fruits you shall know them."
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Yes, but it's [u]your[/u] standard, so I think I'd rather be judged by His, if you don't mind.
I too am playing to a larger audience. An audience that watches you make EXCUSES for ignoring the Constitution, and stealing money from me to fund "foreign welfare" to Israel, all the while you are railing against "domestic welfare" for actual Americans.
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If I've stolen any money from [u]you[/u], make a police report or file a complaint. I no more ignore the Constitution than the man in the moon. I just happen to agree with those who believe that a strong Israel is good for the defense of the United States. Period. No more, no less. Some people would claim that you are ignoring the Constitution if you wanted a copy of The Ten Commandments posted on the classroom walls. Do you think like that? And you may call it 'welfare' or whatever you will, but Israel would be doing the same today with or without US assistance. And that would certainly be a shame! But, no worries for my side, if anything, Israel will come out of this with even more US guarantees! Eric The(ToughCookies,Eh?)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:48:43 AM EDT
I believe that if we look at the situation on the ground over there, we can imagine an end result that would best be to our benefit. I think we should do what it takes to ensure that THAT beneficial outcome happens. If that means spending money, so be it. Israel is a huge trading parntner with the US. Their per capita GNP is greater THAN ANY Middle Eastern Nation's. That includes Saudi Arabia. Their economic success is NOT dependent on US aid. That is a myth. Compare the economies of the region... [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/israel.htm]Israel[/url] [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/westbank.htm]West Bank/Gaza[/url] [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/saudarab.htm]Saudi Arabia[/url] [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/syrian.htm]Syria[/url] [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/jordan.htm]Jordan[/url] [url=http://www.worldbank.org/html/schools/regions/mena/lebanon.htm]Lebanon[/url] Our trading relationship with Israel is worth the money.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:51:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: When was foreign aid ever held to violate the US Constititution? When did that happen?
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The part of the constitution that says any powers not specifically granted here goto the states. I have a big problem with the government giving money to anyone, but giving it to foreigners is without a doubt illegal.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 8:56:11 AM EDT
Regulate trade. The Fed intervenes overseas to ensure that we have plenty of markets. Have you been to Eastern Europe since the Iron Curtain fell? It looks like America, Coke, KFC, McD's, etc... Let's see Rhode Island try to topple the Soviets, and open up those markets.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:06:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Their economic success is NOT dependent on US aid. That is a myth.
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Per the site posted by E.T. Hun above Israel is 'NOT' economically independent and depends on aid, loans and gifts for financial survival. (www.fpc.gov/CRS REPS/iaf0114.pdf)
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:09:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EricTheHun: OK, [b]subsailor[/b], we'll let you off with just a warning and no letter in your permanent file. If you'd just spend some quality time with those chows, as I did with Scooter, teaching them the basics of handling firearms and a couple of hours at the range, you'd have no trouble at all. Well, maybe. Scooter is still facing charges for an incident involving a Postal deliveryman and a pellet rifle. I'm using the old 'irresistible impulse' defense for Scooter. I mean, he's a beagle, fer crying out loud! He thinks he's supposed to shoot mailcarriers! Eric The(Alas!)Hun[>]:)]
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Scooter's gonna walk. After all he must be judged by a jury of peers ! (I read that as other Beagles.)
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:10:25 AM EDT
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The part of the constitution that says any powers not specifically granted here goto the states.
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Well you and I might agree that this would be the most logical interpretation of that phrase, but you will have to forgive me if I don't share the view that our opinion will count for much in the real world.
I have a big problem with the government giving money to anyone, but giving it to foreigners is without a doubt illegal.
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Illegal, I'm not certain. Unwise, maybe. At this point in my discussion of issues such as these, I usually make the statement: [b]'Well, if our boys had tried a [u]little[/u] harder at Gettysburg, we wouldn't have to be putting up with all this horsesh|t!'[/b] But they didn't, y'all did, and that's a fact, Jack! Eric The(GodHelpUS)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:16:57 AM EDT
Post from 5subslr5 -
Scooter's gonna walk. After all he must be judged by a jury of peers ! (I read that as other Beagles.)
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Thank you, [b]subsailor[/b], I will convey your words of comfort to Scooter. Miz Hun sometimes complains about Scooter's lack of aim, although he was quite accurate in the offense involved in [u]US vs. Scooter Beagle Hun[/u], but as I always remind Miz Hun: [b]'He's got no thumbs, Miz Hun! How can you expect any kind of accuracy from a shooter with no thumbs?'[/b] All he's got are those little useless dewclaws. Eric The(HopeYourChowsDoBetter!)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:17:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By Cincinnatus: Their economic success is NOT dependent on US aid. That is a myth.
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Per the site posted by E.T. Hun above Israel is 'NOT' economically independent and depends on aid, loans and gifts for financial survival. (www.fpc.gov/CRS REPS/iaf0114.pdf)
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Regardless. It's still a myth. The numbers just don't add up. Their economy thrives. Unfortunately, they must maintain a military capable of fighting ALL of their neighbors, AT ONCE. That is why we help Israel. They are still a valued trading partner, worth every dollar. If we stopped supporting them, and they were attacked, and wiped out... ...would it help, or hurt our economy? If you think it would help, because we'd save 3 Billion a year, you're not thinking well. Try again.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:23:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/15/2002 10:32:46 AM EDT by Chimborazo]
Originally Posted By LARRYG: Isn't if strange how anything that slams Israel is 'the truth', but anything that slams the Palestinians is 'a lie'?
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Interesting. You know, most of the threads I read here, most of what I hear from the media, and what I perceive as the general feeling from the US public reads like this:
Anything that slams the Palestinians is 'the truth', but anything that slams the Israelis is 'a lie'.
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Look at the way people react to anything that makes the Israelis look bad. People just assume it's a lie. Israelis shot a child? Naw, couldn't be. It must have been a Palestinian sniper [b]even though it's on film plain as f**king day.[/b] Edited fer spelin'.
Link Posted: 4/15/2002 9:27:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/15/2002 9:28:15 AM EDT by 5subslr5]
Cincinnatus: And you just keep trying. However, I do admire your tactics. Not even E.T. HUN has ever argued that Israel was either economically viable without U.S. taxpayer donations or a wonderful ally due to economic considerations.
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