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You're pretty much saying that we gotta get them before they get us... What's the problem? The problem is that you're validating their future actions against you, which is the justification for your actions, which is the justification of their actions. My problem is that it's going to be awesome when you don't win this seesaw battle and we get the shit end of the stick. Because of actions you endorse. They're wrong, so nothing they do is justified. Which is the same exact thing they'll say about you. All aboard this vicious cycle merry-go-round! Next stop, Totalitarianism! |
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Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're pretty much saying that we gotta get them before they get us... What's the problem? The problem is that you're validating their future actions against you, which is the justification for your actions, which is the justification of their actions. My problem is that it's going to be awesome when you don't win this seesaw battle and we get the shit end of the stick. Because of actions you endorse. They're wrong, so nothing they do is justified. Which is the same exact thing they'll say about you. All aboard this vicious cycle merry-go-round! Next stop, Totalitarianism! Uhmmmm, Thats whats happening now??? ETA: So if some asshats comes in and say we are choosing your doctor, you have to ride a bicycle to work, i'm raising your taxes, on and on ad nauseum. And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? |
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Quoted: Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. If you have watched all his videos you will know this is not possible. The people in this thread are almost all under 40 and government educated. They are a product of the subversion. Why would they go against what they know as truth? |
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Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. "Uneducated"? I can see that there'll be no winning this argument. You believe in the freedom for people to be just like you. I'm glad we still have a bill of rights, and hopefully it can keep the totalitarian actions you endorse from affecting me in any way. I don't see how you can like the idea of the government having the power to decide what it doesn't like, label it as "UnAmerican", and then persecute it; All legally. Poetic justice would be if the current administration followed through with the actions you endorsed, and then they persecuted you, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. We're on the same side of this argument, but we disagree on how involved the government should be in fighting political dissent. |
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Quoted: Well i guess I take for granted then that they will see it with their own eyes, and someone they respect in their lives like a father or a neighbor or a grandfather says.. Yes its true, then maybe they can see the world with different glasses.Quoted: Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. If you have watched all his videos you will know this is not possible. The people in this thread are almost all under 40 and government educated. They are a product of the subversion. Why would they go against what they know as truth? |
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And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? When you start locking people up for their thoughts and beliefs.. uh... yes. |
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Cool after we do that we can put them in camps and have IBM make computers to number them.
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Quoted: We are not on the same side. You speak the same tongue of my enemy.Quoted: Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. "Uneducated"? I can see that there'll be no winning this argument. You believe in the freedom for people to be just like you. I'm glad we still have a bill of rights, and hopefully it can keep the totalitarian actions you endorse from affecting me in any way. I don't see how you can like the idea of the government having the power to decide what it doesn't like, label it as "UnAmerican", and then persecute it; All legally. Poetic justice would be if the current administration followed through with the actions you endorsed, and then they persecuted you, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. We're on the same side of this argument, but we disagree on how involved the government should be in fighting political dissent. My forefathers fought and spilled blood so we can remain free. You openly support people who do not hold the ideals of freedom and just accept it as a nice guy with a different viewpoint who's is just as equal when in fact they are the enemy of everything this country stands for. Uneducated. |
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Quoted: Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. Some of the useful idiots here think that the constitution is a suicide pact that requires us to allow commie fucks like this to undermine and destroy our republic. |
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You know what else we need back from the days of the HUAC? The tax rates. That'll show those commies.
Nothing says liberty like a heavily progressive income tax. Am I right, or am I right? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. If you have watched all his videos you will know this is not possible. The people in this thread are almost all under 40 and government educated. They are a product of the subversion. Why would they go against what they know as truth? I'm under 40 and UNeducated... yet I still know it's a bad idea to give yourself (party) power that you don't want your enemies to have (opposing party) in the game of politics. Jesus could be a benevolent dictator, and all would be great... but when his 8 years is up we may get someone named Benito, or Adolph - with the same power. The proper way to fight this without expanding government, without sacrificing freedom - of both political speech AND thought - is from the ground up. WE should be doing it, NOT the Government. Why would you want the Government, the same folks who are the "problem", to decide these things? So the R's take the house, and you get your little committee together... great. Does that go away when the Democrats take it back, later?
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Quoted: Quoted: And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? When you start locking people up for their thoughts and beliefs.. uh... yes. It's only thought crime if they believe differently, didn't you know that? |
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We might as well just start turning our neighbors in for being communist as well.
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Quoted: Quoted: Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. Some of the useful idiots here think that the constitution is a suicide pact that requires us to allow commie fucks fascist wingnuts like this to undermine and destroy our republic democracy. Just giving you a fast forward to the next D administration with a super majority. |
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Quoted: We might as well just start turning our neighbors in for being communist as well. Gonna need some secret police too. Those commies are sneaky. Why, some of them might even be pretending to be Conservatives. |
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Quoted: Pol Pot was just misunderstood and had a difference of opinion? Joseph Stalin? Great guy, right? Just a difference of opinion I suppose. After all he was duly elected by those whom he governed.Quoted: Quoted: And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? When you start locking people up for their thoughts and beliefs.. uh... yes. It's only thought crime if they believe differently, didn't you know that? |
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you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".
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I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress? These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion? May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby. ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp. Because you started a thread that belongs in DU? The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU. Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern. There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you. Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success. This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom. I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned I agree as long as the opposition isn't advocating Socialism .Destroying our Constitution should not be open for debate. What obama and the dems have done is treason. I want hearings ,trials and investigations I want Washington stopped in its tracks I want to see elected officials go to prison. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT POSITION IS THE WRONG ONE. What happens when hillary clinton starts her own unamerican affairs commitee. She will have a hard time running anything from behind bars |
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Quoted: Quoted: We might as well just start turning our neighbors in for being communist as well. Gonna need some secret police too. Those commies are sneaky. Why, some of them might even be pretending to be Conservatives. No need. There was a day when they ( communist-Socialists) would not claim that label. Today they seem to be right out in the open and out of the closet. Being from CT we all know how you guys vote anyways.. no surprise there.. lol |
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And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? You do that by repealing the law, not by making some headhunting committee to go after the activists. |
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Quoted: I'm under 40 and UNeducated... yet I still know it's a bad idea to give yourself (party) power that you don't want your enemies to have (opposing party) in the game of politics. I agree with you. I do not support the idea of a modern House Un-American Activities Committee because America is far too infected. The "Un-American Activities" this proposed committee will be investigating will not be leftist. We have already entered the "Crisis" phase. |
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We are not on the same side. My forefathers fought and spilled blood so we can remain free. You openly support people who do not hold the ideals of freedom and just accept it as a nice guy with a different viewpoint who's is just as equal when in fact they are the enemy of everything this country stands for.
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Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. "Uneducated"? I can see that there'll be no winning this argument. You believe in the freedom for people to be just like you. I'm glad we still have a bill of rights, and hopefully it can keep the totalitarian actions you endorse from affecting me in any way. I don't see how you can like the idea of the government having the power to decide what it doesn't like, label it as "UnAmerican", and then persecute it; All legally. Poetic justice would be if the current administration followed through with the actions you endorsed, and then they persecuted you, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. We're on the same side of this argument, but we disagree on how involved the government should be in fighting political dissent. So we have to end our freedom so that we can preserve it? Then what the hell is the point? I prefer the perils of liberty over the security of slavery. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We are not on the same side. My forefathers fought and spilled blood so we can remain free. You openly support people who do not hold the ideals of freedom and just accept it as a nice guy with a different viewpoint who's is just as equal when in fact they are the enemy of everything this country stands for.Quoted: Thank you for posting that. I have watched it before. Hopefully some of the uneducated here will take the time and watch that. Maybe they will come away with a different attitude. We can hope. Im glad I have some folks coming to my defense here. Initially I was like , now Im like i thought I had woke up in bizzaro world. "Uneducated"? I can see that there'll be no winning this argument. You believe in the freedom for people to be just like you. I'm glad we still have a bill of rights, and hopefully it can keep the totalitarian actions you endorse from affecting me in any way. I don't see how you can like the idea of the government having the power to decide what it doesn't like, label it as "UnAmerican", and then persecute it; All legally. Poetic justice would be if the current administration followed through with the actions you endorsed, and then they persecuted you, but I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. We're on the same side of this argument, but we disagree on how involved the government should be in fighting political dissent. So we have to end our freedom so that we can preserve it? Then what the hell is the point? I prefer the perils of liberty over the security of slavery. circles.. you talk them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're pretty much saying that we gotta get them before they get us... What's the problem? The problem is that you're validating their future actions against you, which is the justification for your actions, which is the justification of their actions. My problem is that it's going to be awesome when you don't win this seesaw battle and we get the shit end of the stick. Because of actions you endorse. They're wrong, so nothing they do is justified. And that, in a nutshell, is the core of the problem. Very, very few people believe in right and wrong as absolutes and it is incredibly difficult for them to understand that some of those "points of view" want them dead. This does not apply simply to our current problem with the treasonous socialists in power, either. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm under 40 and UNeducated... yet I still know it's a bad idea to give yourself (party) power that you don't want your enemies to have (opposing party) in the game of politics. I agree with you. I do not support the idea of a modern House Un-American Activities Committee because America is far too infected. The "Un-American Activities" this proposed committee will be investigating will not be leftist. We have already entered the "Crisis" phase. If you agree with me then you understand that I don't give a shit what you are proposing. I give a shit about the abusive abomination of Government oppression that it definitely WILL become once "you" no longer have a say in the matter. |
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Quoted: Quoted: And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? When you start locking people up for their thoughts and beliefs.. uh... yes. We've locked plenty of people up for holding the wrong beliefs. We've even merrily executed a few of them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Pol Pot was just misunderstood and had a difference of opinion? Joseph Stalin? Great guy, right? Just a difference of opinion I suppose. After all he was duly elected by those whom he governed.Quoted: Quoted: And then I come along and say no you cant do that these are Americans with freedom and they will remain free, then I suppose that makes me a tyrant? When you start locking people up for their thoughts and beliefs.. uh... yes. It's only thought crime if they believe differently, didn't you know that? No, Pol Pot and Stalin were actively going after people who believed different than them. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a leftist. Which is one of the reasons people like you shouldn't get the power to decide who should be criminally punished for "improper thought". Fuck me, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We might as well just start turning our neighbors in for being communist as well. Gonna need some secret police too. Those commies are sneaky. Why, some of them might even be pretending to be Conservatives. No need. There was a day when they ( communist-Socialists) would not claim that label. Today they seem to be right out in the open and out of the closet. Being from CT we all know how you guys vote anyways.. no surprise there.. lol They've learned a thing or two since the old days, tovarich. Why, there could be commies in this very thread. Some of them might even be arguing for more powers to hunt down commies. Definitely going to need some secret police. |
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Quoted: No, Pol Pot and Stalin were actively going after people who believed different than them. Action follows from belief. |
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You know what... I'm with BuckHammer on this one.
Fuck it, I'm out. Have your circle jerk, and have fun. |
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Quoted: You know what... I'm with BuckHammer on this one. Fuck it, I'm out. Have your circle jerk, and have fun. And i thought you and Buckmaster made such a nice couple.. lol |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: you do know that part of being an American is allowing other people to have opposing viewpoints to yours. Political opposition is every one's right what if hillary decided to form her own Unamerican affairs commitee because she decided that republicans were "UnAmerican".Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok smarty pants please explain.Quoted: I guess its ok then with many Arfcomers here to "fundamentally transform" America? To willingly accept socialists who belong to the socialist party as members of our congress? These were enemies of my country 20 and 30 years ago and now they are just Americans with a different opinion? May I suggest kite flying near a cliff with a lake nearby. ETA: I feel like I woke up in the DU camp. Because you started a thread that belongs in DU? The way you're talking about attempting to suppress political opposition reminds me of something that would be discussed in DU. Ok, so I grew up in the Cold War. Communists and Socialists were the enemy of our country. Their political ideology enslaves those that they govern. There are members of our congress that are proudly members of the Socialist Party of America. Their plan is to take your freedoms that you have come to know and enslave you. Nikita Kruschev pounded his fists and said he would crush us and conquer us from within and it seems to me that there has been some success. This is an enemy, not a friendly face with a different set of ideals and no consequences. Accepting socialism is not freedom. I happen to believe Senator Joseph McCarthy was a hero. He was demonized by liberals in the media and within our govt. as far as Im concerned I agree as long as the opposition isn't advocating Socialism .Destroying our Constitution should not be open for debate. What obama and the dems have done is treason. I want hearings ,trials and investigations I want Washington stopped in its tracks I want to see elected officials go to prison. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT POSITION IS THE WRONG ONE. What happens when hillary clinton starts her own unamerican affairs commitee. She will have a hard time running anything from behind bars ... or from the hard labor camp north of minot. |
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Quoted: Cool after we do that we can put them in camps and have IBM make computers to number them. What's this "we" shit paleface? You and I are next. |
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Cool after we do that we can put them in camps and have IBM make computers to number them. What's this "we" shit paleface? You and I are next. true |
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Hey I know,
How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and your family and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. We can call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. |
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Hey I know, How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and yourfamily and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. Wecan call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. Tax rates have been higher. Somehow we got along without imprisoning our political enemies. |
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Quoted: Your avatar fascinates me. Who are those 2 guys? Quoted: Hey I know, How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and yourfamily and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. Wecan call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. Tax rates have been higher. Somehow we got along without imprisoning our political enemies. |
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Hey I know, How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and yourfamily and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. Wecan call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. Tax rates have been higher. Somehow we got along without imprisoning our political enemies. Good, decent, freedom-loving men. And one of them had the audacity to raise taxes while President. |
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Hey I know, How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and yourfamily and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. Wecan call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. Tax rates have been higher. Somehow we got along without imprisoning our political enemies. Good, decent, freedom-loving men. And one of them had the audacity to raise taxes while President. The other one had the balls to believe in and serve an America that guaranteed freedom for the people who he agreed with, and for the people he disagreed with. You wish you could be half the man either of them were, S_T. |
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Quoted: And they would gladly accept socialism and call it freedom I suppose. Instead of call it the national security threat that it is. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Your avatar fascinates me. Who are those 2 guys? Quoted: Hey I know, How about a series of new progressive taxes that bankrupts you and yourfamily and then when you don't or can't pay them we imprison you. Wecan call it a difference of opinion and being a poor sport. Tax rates have been higher. Somehow we got along without imprisoning our political enemies. Good, decent, freedom-loving men. And one of them had the audacity to raise taxes while President. The other one had the balls to believe in and serve an America that guaranteed freedom for the people who he agreed with, and for the people he disagreed with. You wish you could be half the man either of them were, S_T. |
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And they would gladly accept socialism and call it freedom I suppose. Instead of call it the national security threat that it is. You really don't have the foggiest idea what socialism is. |
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Quoted: Quoted: And they would gladly accept socialism and call it freedom I suppose. Instead of call it the national security threat that it is. You really don't have the foggiest idea what socialism is. And your confused at who those 2 people in your avatar is and what they stand for. ETA: I always thought that about you |
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And they would gladly accept socialism and call it freedom I suppose. Instead of call it the national security threat that it is. You really don't have the foggiest idea what socialism is. And your confused at who those 2 people in your avatar is and what they stand for. ETA: I always thought that about you Reagan actually testified before HUAC. This is why he is a great man: REAGAN: Well, sir, 99 percent of us are pretty well aware of what is going on, and I think, within the bounds of our democratic rights and never once stepping over the rights given us by democracy, we have done a pretty good job in our business of keeping those people's activities curtailed. After all, we must recognize them at present as a political party. On that basis we have exposed their lies when we came across them, we have opposed their propaganda, and I can certainly testify that in the case of the Screen Actors Guild we have been eminently successful in preventing them from, with their usual tactics, trying to run a majority of an organization with a well organized minority. In opposing those people, the best thing to do is make democracy work. In the Screen Actors Guild we make it work by insuring everyone a vote and by keeping everyone informed. I believe that, as Thomas Jefferson put it, if all the American people know all of the facts they will never make a mistake. Whether the party should be outlawed, that is a matter for the government to decide. As a citizen, I would hesitate to see any political party outlawed on the basis of its political ideology. However, if it is proven that an organization is an agent of foreign power, or in any way not a legitimate political party –– and I think the government is capable of proving that –– then that is another matter. I happen to be very proud of the industry in which I work; I happen to be very proud of the way in which we conducted the fight. I do not believe the communists have ever at any time been able to use the motion picture screen as a sounding board for their philosophy or ideology. CHAIRMAN: There is one thing that you said that interested me very much. That was the quotation from Jefferson. That is why this committee was created by the House of Representatives: to acquaint the American people with the facts. Once the American people are acquainted with the facts there is no question but what the American people will do the kind of job that they want done: that is, to make America just as pure as we can possibly make it. We want to thank you very much for coming here today. REAGAN: Sir, I detest, I abhor their philosophy, but I detest more than that their tactics, which are those of the fifth column, and are dishonest, but at the same time I never as a citizen want to see our country become urged, by either fear or resentment of this group, that we ever compromise with any of our democratic principles through that fear or resentment. I still think that democracy can do it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, that sure makes me want to vote for your particular brand of pinko. I laugh when people here decry tyranny via the left, then propose their own to counter it Havnt we learned that what may work for a Conservative government will be abused by the other guys yet(patriot act etc) Learn "right from wrong" and you will see how it works. The left is about to destroy this country. It is the DUTY of conservative Americans to make sure that this NEVER happens again. |
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