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Posted: 9/14/2010 8:29:57 AM EDT
My buddy just called me from northeast Kentucky. He came into some money a few years ago and everyone knows he used some to buy a bunch a firearms and three big safes. He lives on a rural road at least 30 minutes away from county seat and any law enforcement. He went to a church meeting last night but his wife stayed home as she didn't feel well. She turned off the lights and lay on the couch. Her little house dog started growling and then stopped while staring at the door. She ran to the door and made a noise hoping to scare whatever it was off. She heard someone running off the porch and then down their lane to a car. She called her husband who rushed home.

This is their third attempted burglery this year. They are clearly targets. We suspect it is someone nearby as they are watching the house for my buddy to leave. He is putting up motion lights at all corners of the house. I have suggested a large dog...i.e. German Shepherd or something. What else can he do? Any helpful tips appreciated.

House is typical one story ranch, rectangle shaped, brick, with carport on back of house.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:31:22 AM EDT
Let them break in, then kill them.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:32:32 AM EDT
Motion lights.

Landscaping.

impact resistant laminate on windows (slows 'em down a little more)

Improved doors/sliding doors + long screws on hinges, etc.

Improved locks.

Same as what I would suggest everyone do.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:32:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:34:09 AM EDT by polarbare]
Lights, cameras, improved door and window locks, protective film on the windows so it takes some effort to get through the glass, evil shrubbery (note that it makes exiting the house a bitch as well in an emergency), and a friendly visit to our local home security forum...

Edit - macman37, great minds think alike... and so do ours!
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:34:00 AM EDT
claymore mines
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:34:25 AM EDT
Dogs.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:34:37 AM EDT
A locking gate? That would keep people from driving up.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:34:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:37:36 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
Inside and outside dogs. Dogs are basically free for the taking you just have to feed and water them. I am sure some shelter dogs would love to live out in a rural area and act as security. Expecting dogs to fight is a waste of time. But just having them present will dissuade some attempts.

Motion detectors w/ lights

Video surveillance system

Fake alarm company signs

Safes should be bolted to concrete slab.

Harden doors (strikemaster II door jambs with solid core doors) and windows bars and/or film.

24/7 Carry inside/outside for all adults. Kentucky has open carry and castle doctrine.

File police report of every attempt.


ETA: Fencing? Gate? What is the layout of the property like?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:37:18 AM EDT
Fence it all in, buy the biggest badest bull and cut him loose. Either that or get a tom turkey like I did that had a chemical imbalance that would equal a over dose of viagra and he would try and top anything. Scared the hell out of the UPS guy lol.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:37:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:38:41 AM EDT by RDTCU]

Originally Posted By surplusnut:
claymore mines

beat to it...

This or Punji Pits...
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:38:06 AM EDT
Does she know how to use a firearm???
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:39:35 AM EDT
i like the claymore mine idea
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:40:31 AM EDT
If he's got money, a trained GSD would work well.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:41:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Inside and outside dogs. Dogs are basically free for the taking you just have to feed and water them. I am sure some shelter dogs would love to live out in a rural area and act as security. Expecting dogs to fight is a waste of time. But just having them present will dissuade some attempts.

Motion detectors w/ lights

Video surveillance system

Fake alarm company signs

Safes should be bolted to concrete slab.

Harden doors (strikemaster II door jambs with solid core doors) and windows bars and/or film.

24/7 Carry inside/outside for all adults. Kentucky has open carry and castle doctrine.

File police report of every attempt.


ETA: Fencing? Gate? What is the layout of the property like?


A good start. Remember, Perception is Reality.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:43:00 AM EDT
All the above... Also, my wife's uncle has some type of IR beam thing down at the end of his drive way. If a car or person breaks the beam it sounds a chime inside the house. It gives you an early warning of someone coming up the drive way to man the 50's in the upstairs windows and there's nothing noticeable at the end of the drive.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:43:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TireGuy01:
Does she know how to use a firearm???


Yes, but typical woman (no offense intended) she would be highly reluctant to use it. My buddy would use it in a heartbeat but he is disabled...lost a leg. Hard for him to get to a door fast enough to shoot. That was what happened the second attempt. She waoke him up and told him someone was outside. He was trying to get up too quick out of bed and missed his chair. He fell in the floor and by the time he got up and in to the chair and then into the livingroom, there was no one outside but footprints showing she had indeed been right that someone was there.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:43:34 AM EDT
Caucasian Ovcharkas, and a series of remote gates so you never have to be near them, but then you open/close some to form a perimeter...

And feed them only raw meat... It'll be like alligators without the moat...



(Just make sure they never get out )
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:43:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By xpired:
If he's got money, a trained GSD would work well.


This

You know, dogs work best in a team. So I would have about 4 of them.

One dog might bark, and possibly bite someone. 4 dogs can pull them down and finish them off.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:44:27 AM EDT
Get geese.

Suppopsedly better hearing range than dogs and noisier than 2 motherfuckers.

That, of course, will only work when he's home. A housesitter seems to be in his future when he and the wife are away.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:44:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:45:59 AM EDT by Miles_Urbanus]
Originally Posted By xpired:
If he's got money, a trained GSD would work well.


My opinion of guard dogs is low. The amount of constant training needed (time and money) not to mention the initial cost make them impractical for most people. You would be better off putting that time and money into training with your firearms and hardening your home. All I ask of my dogs is to act as an early warning system and a visible deterrent. What are you going to do with your $3000 dollar killing machine when company comes over? Are you prepared for the liability when he bites your friends daughter, UPS man, etc.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:45:09 AM EDT
Security system. Video system. Motions system. Dogs.

Have a detector set up at the beginning of their driveway that will trip lights. That way they will get some warning when a car pulls up. You could set it up to turn on all the lights.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:45:38 AM EDT
get a trail camera and install it on the drive. that way you will have photos of all the comings and goings when you are not home at a reasonable price.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:45:57 AM EDT
I will tell him about the driveway alarm today......hadn't thought about that. He could shine that across his drive pretty easy and hide it too. Thanks everyone for some great suggestions.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:46:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:47:35 AM EDT by Seabee_Mech]
Originally Posted By macman37:
Motion lights.

Landscaping.

impact resistant laminate on windows (slows 'em down a little more)

Improved doors/sliding doors + long screws on hinges, etc.

Improved locks.

Same as what I would suggest everyone do.


I'd add:

Alarm System with loud outside speaker/strobe lights (even with a 30 minute police response time most thieves won't like the extra attention)
Driveway alarm
Video cameras (or at least a game camera on the driveway)
Big dog


Of course, nothing will stop a really determined thief. The name of the game is to make yourself a harder target than the next guy.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:47:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sparsedirect:
Let them break in, then kill them.


There won't be any repeat offenders after that.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:48:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 8:52:03 AM EDT by omega62]
One of the things that I learned quite recently which really surprised me is that crime is just as rampant in the country as it is in the city.

We have had some extremely violent crimes in nearby rural Ohio in the past few years, including one case last year in which an elderly couple was robbed and beaten in a home invasion in which the man's sizable gun collection was the target (he had poor OPSEC and people found out about his guns).

Basically all the normal advice applies:

- Security lighting.
- Motion sensors.
- Deadbolt locks.
- A good dog.
- Alarms, with yard signs.
- etc etc.

The thing about country living though is that LE response times to a 911 call may be much longer, and he might have to hang in there on his own for quite some time before help arrives.

This means having the best defensive weapons for his situation, good training, and good prior defensive planning.

I would advise him to plan out his home defense "critical incident response" plan the same way he might plan for a fire drill in his home, and I would strongly recommend having some type of a reinforced "safe room" (doesn't have to be fancy or expensive, could be just a room he reinforced himself somehow).
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:48:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SharpCharge:
All the above... Also, my wife's uncle has some type of IR beam thing down at the end of his drive way. If a car or person breaks the beam it sounds a chime inside the house. It gives you an early warning of someone coming up the drive way to man the 50's in the upstairs windows and there's nothing noticeable at the end of the drive.


I've got a Voice Alert unit. Got it back when gas was > $4. You can have up to 6 detectors per base unit.

Never had anyone try and steal gas, but when I get home the mutt knows it's dinner time and is standing by.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:48:56 AM EDT
$3 magnetic door/window alarms. Can be had at any hardware store. Every window and interior door should have them.

Practice a sound security plan. Are doors and windows being locked?

How does everyone know he has 3 safes worth of guns? Opsec fail? Why do you suspect that the gun safes are the target? Why are police reports not being filed?
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:49:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:52:33 AM EDT
Game cameras are pretty slick. Set one up at every entrance to the property and you'll have a picture of anyone who shows up.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:53:50 AM EDT
Security system (don't skimp on it) and a extra dog. Nothing like just the sound a couple of dogs raising hell to scare off the common crook. For the more determined ones your friend's wife needs to get her mind-set right and learn to use a weapon. A structured class would be best for her to learn.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:53:53 AM EDT
RANDOM MAG DUMPS AFTER DARK. It worked very well for me. 10 rds,,,wait a while ,,,one shot,,,wait 3 rds,,,followed by 3 rds shotgun. In short make it like a war zone after dark. Word WILL get around.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:54:18 AM EDT
My parents have a big yard light on a 20' pole. You can't pull up to the house without driving past it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:55:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:55:51 AM EDT
Claymores and beltfeds.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:57:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By SharpCharge:
All the above... Also, my wife's uncle has some type of IR beam thing down at the end of his drive way. If a car or person breaks the beam it sounds a chime inside the house. It gives you an early warning of someone coming up the drive way to man the 50's in the upstairs windows and there's nothing noticeable at the end of the drive.


I've got a Voice Alert unit. Got it back when gas was > $4. You can have up to 6 detectors per base unit.

Never had anyone try and steal gas, but when I get home the mutt knows it's dinner time and is standing by.



Yeah, her uncle's dog goes ape shit every time the chime sounds. He also has it rigged to a switchable speaker out in his pole barn so he knows if someone's approaching when he's working out there. He turns that off when he goes into the house.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:57:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
RANDOM MAG DUMPS AFTER DARK. It worked very well for me. 10 rds,,,wait a while ,,,one shot,,,wait 3 rds,,,followed by 3 rds shotgun. In short make it like a war zone after dark. Word WILL get around.

Worked for my parents ~15 years ago. Someone stole the trolling motor off of our sneakboat in the pond, and my dad unloaded a .357 in the dirt a couple times and started spreading a rumor about how he might have winged the guy jumping the fence.

I still hear that from neighbors who weren't even living there at the time, never had a problem since.
(the nice neighbors know the truth, the sketchy ones think we are all gun-crazy killers)
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:57:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By xpired:
If he's got money, a trained GSD would work well.


My opinion of guard dogs is low. The amount of constant training needed (time and money) not to mention the initial cost make them impractical for most people. You would be better off putting that time and money into training with your firearms and hardening your home. All I ask of my dogs is to act as an early warning system and a visible deterrent. What are you going to do with your $3000 dollar killing machine when company comes over? Are you prepared for the liability when he bites your friends daughter, UPS man, etc.

This. Guard dogs are more trouble than having your shit stolen, IMHO.

Get a yappy dog with good ears, and you get the benefit of having a nice pet that won't chew a kid's arm off and cost you tens of thousands in court costs & settlements.

An easy early-warning system is a wireless motion detector at the gate with an alarm at the house. Also, signs work. We put up surveilance/alarm signs & fake camera pods at our company's cabin after numerous thefts and they've ceased, completely. I was skeptical but I think a lot of times thieves are opportunists and will choose the easiest target. If your place looks defended, they'll think it is and choose an easier target.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 8:58:27 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
RANDOM MAG DUMPS AFTER DARK. It worked very well for me. 10 rds,,,wait a while ,,,one shot,,,wait 3 rds,,,followed by 3 rds shotgun. In short make it like a war zone after dark. Word WILL get around.

Worked for my parents ~15 years ago. Someone stole the trolling motor off of our sneakboat in the pond, and my dad unloaded a .357 in the dirt a couple times and started spreading a rumor about how he might have winged the guy jumping the fence.

I still hear that from neighbors who weren't even living there at the time, never had a problem since.
(the nice neighbors know the truth, the sketchy ones think we are all gun-crazy killers)


Or any criminals coming make sure they come armed.

Opsec.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:00:54 AM EDT
Hardened entrances to the house would be my first start.

Actually my first start would be an M1A with a red dot and flashlight for everyone in the house. THEN harden the entrances.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:01:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Miles_Urbanus:
Originally Posted By RDTCU:

Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
RANDOM MAG DUMPS AFTER DARK. It worked very well for me. 10 rds,,,wait a while ,,,one shot,,,wait 3 rds,,,followed by 3 rds shotgun. In short make it like a war zone after dark. Word WILL get around.

Worked for my parents ~15 years ago. Someone stole the trolling motor off of our sneakboat in the pond, and my dad unloaded a .357 in the dirt a couple times and started spreading a rumor about how he might have winged the guy jumping the fence.

I still hear that from neighbors who weren't even living there at the time, never had a problem since.
(the nice neighbors know the truth, the sketchy ones think we are all gun-crazy killers)
Or any criminals coming make sure they come armed.

Opsec.
I don't do a lot of advertising/shooting around the house, and that was 15 years ago, but i think i alone outgun everyone within a mile radius combined ...
Most common thieves are looking for an easy score, not a fight.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:02:33 AM EDT
I'll have to deal with this soon, except no one thinks I have money. I have 2 safes bolted to the floor, everything of value is in them. No matter what you do, eventually your going to have to leave the house, so unless your friend can afford security 24/7 they'll get in eventually.


Cameras, solid doors, barred windows, an alarm might work out in my case, I have a county sheriff who lives about 10 minutes down the road
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:04:42 AM EDT
Hyenas.

People will not engage them.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:04:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By CAWillie:
I will tell him about the driveway alarm today......hadn't thought about that. He could shine that across his drive pretty easy and hide it too. Thanks everyone for some great suggestions.


http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-978-dakota-alert-wma-3000-wireless-motion-alert-3000-driveway-alarm.aspx
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:05:55 AM EDT
He should have his wife put on his hat and leave with his truck at night. While he sits at home with a 12 gauge.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:07:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 9:15:15 AM EDT by RRA_223]
Originally Posted By SharpCharge:
All the above... Also, my wife's uncle has some type of IR beam thing down at the end of his drive way. If a car or person breaks the beam it sounds a chime inside the house. It gives you an early warning of someone coming up the drive way to man the 50's in the upstairs windows and there's nothing noticeable at the end of the drive.


+1


Your wife had a near-miss. If the perps broke in, she would be a potential target as much as the firearms for a variety of reasons.

It's time to elevate the game: get a puppy - or three - who will grow into a BIG dog. Doesn't have to be mean, just a loyal friend who knows his place and warns you of strangers. IR driveway sensor as discussed, lots of lights. Woman needs to keep gun ON her while at home, no exceptions, and be willing to use it. Reinforce all exterior door jams with 4" screws and steel plates (with cut-outs for the latch and deadbolt) - these make the door a multiple-kick entry instead of just one. Buys you time and slows them down.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:08:57 AM EDT
have a chat with the neighbors and tell them whats going on...tell them that you know how to protect yourself and family...after that teach your wife to use a firearm....
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:11:17 AM EDT
First post nails it.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:15:14 AM EDT
Well if he has money then he should start with his perimeter. Fencing and gates ,Have the ability to light it up,have a CCTV system installed.

Yard to house.. Clean up the landscape,remove all "hideout" spots open things up. have a large dog or two on duty.

House,strengthen all doors,widows,crawl spaces,and attic spaces. Have ability to light up outside of house, CCTV surveillance all doors windows etc. Have little barky dog inside.Have fortified/defensible position inside home.

Everything on battery back up.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:15:39 AM EDT
I go with the gsd + gate method.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 9:17:49 AM EDT
I'd make sure those safes are MONEY, good solid ones.

then I'd install a GE Security system for a couple hundred bucks with door and window sensors and the cellular option, so it can call him if/when there is a break in.

the idea is to keep the valuables safe long enough for the law or him to respond. a good safe will keep normal criminal out FAR longer than a half hour.

then add some security cameras to get pictures of the perps.

there is a great thread in the survival forum by TheGrayMan about security cameras
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