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Posted: 9/13/2010 11:27:52 PM EDT
so far poll averages if election was today have GOP 49 and dems at 51 seats.

here is the polls on whats up for grabs. RIGHT NOW Boxer Feingold and Reid are attainable seats. If Odumbo and the commie fucks keep this shit up we might sweep both houses in one election.


California Boxer (D) +0.3
Colorado Buck (R) +1.8
Illinois Kirk (R) +2.0
Nevada Reid (D) +2.7
Washington Rossi (R) +2.3
Wisconsin Feingold (D) +1.0
Florida Rubio (R) +8.5
Kentucky Paul (R) +8.8
Missouri Blunt (R) +6.0
New Hampshire Ayotte (R) +8.0
North Carolina Burr (R) +9.5
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:29:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 11:30:03 PM EDT by Dave_A]
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:29:19 PM EDT
Possible, but I highly doubt it.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:30:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 11:31:37 PM EDT by victorgonzales]
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:34:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.

The fact that her opponent is a 'Schwartzenegger style' candidate - an extreme moderate coming from a non-political background...

Helps...

Candidates need to be state-appropriate first and foremost, rather than nationally ideologically-correct...

Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:43:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.

The fact that her opponent is a 'Schwartzenegger style' candidate - an extreme moderate coming from a non-political background...

Helps...

Candidates need to be state-appropriate first and foremost, rather than nationally ideologically-correct...



Is that why you think the Delaware Republicans are about to make a mistake by not nominating the candidate you think should run in the general election?
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:46:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 11:51:58 PM EDT by victorgonzales]

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.

The fact that her opponent is a 'Schwartzenegger style' candidate - an extreme moderate coming from a non-political background...

Helps...

Candidates need to be state-appropriate first and foremost, rather than nationally ideologically-correct...



Is that why you think the Delaware Republicans are about to make a mistake by not nominating the candidate you think should run in the general election?
well technically he is right. you can lose in left leaning states by putting a real conservative through the primary. it's a gamble in some places and a conservative better be damned good at convincing left leaners of conservative superiority. Not an easy task.

In place like cali and the east coast though where a real conservative will lose a moderate republican that can be pressured by massive public approval to vote for conservatism is far better than a democrat that will ignore the will of the people and vote left no matter what. It is our job to stay active in politics and build momentum equal to the outrage against Obamacare when it is our turn to act. If the public is on our side still then moderates will be comfortable voting with us.


in states where conservatives win though it's best to take advantage and try like hell to get more conservative republicans in office to set the tone for the republican party back to the right rather than in the center compromising our futures away as they have been.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:46:53 PM EDT
Yes.

We will take the house and probably the senate as well.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 11:56:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 11:59:17 PM EDT by FishKepr]
I think it will be really close.

But the odds are tipped toward the GOP's favor to pull it off.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 12:06:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 12:08:33 AM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.

The fact that her opponent is a 'Schwartzenegger style' candidate - an extreme moderate coming from a non-political background...

Helps...

Candidates need to be state-appropriate first and foremost, rather than nationally ideologically-correct...



Is that why you think the Delaware Republicans are about to make a mistake by not nominating the candidate you think should run in the general election?

Yes.

Control of the Senate is more important than the ideology of the individual candidates.

If the GOP runs an ideologically pure candidate and loses, then we get a liberal Dem in the seat...

If the GOP runs a RINO and wins, then we get +1 'R' seat (For leadership elections), and a moderate-Dem with an R after their name in the seat...

And if the state is a 'True Blue' one like DE or CA, those are your only real options - a 'John Thune' or 'Jim DeMint' is NOT going to win in those places, no matter how badly Obama has kneecapped the Dems....

In a race where it may come down to 1 seat determining control of the Senate, that +1 RINO helps.

Now, if we CANNOT take the Senate back, then it's better to have a solid bloc of ideologically pure opposition, than a mix...


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 2:50:34 AM EDT
I know we want the house so we can shut down all the asshattery from the jump but do we even want the Senate?

Most strategies I've heard revolve around taking the House and getting enough in the Senate to effectively create grid lock and lame ducking Obama out of office in 2 years.

If we take both and start cutting taxes and improving the economy and repealing stuff that frees up capital and restores confidence Obama will just take credit and run on it in 2012.

I don't claim to be a a political chess master anyone care to enlighten me?

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 2:51:55 AM EDT
Watch for us West Virginians. We are working hard to hit a home run for the nation.

Our very popular governor is running for Sen Byrd's seat. His popularity is 70%. But he is only a few percentage points above his republican challenger. The governor is being successfully linked to Obama, and with just a little more tail wind we will retain him as governor and send a Republican to the US Senate.

All this is happening under the national radar.

From Rasmussen:

West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin and Republican businessman John Raese continue to run a surprisingly close race in the state's special Senate election to replace the late Robert Byrd.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in West Virginia shows Manchin with 50% support and Raese with 45%, when leaners are included. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate in the race, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

The West Virginia race now moves from Leans Democratic to a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 Senate Balance of Power rankings. Less than two weeks ago, the first post-primary survey of the race moved it from Solid Democratic to Leans Democratic.

Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either of the candidates but answer a follow-up question and say they are leaning towards a particular candidate. From this point forward, Rasmussen Reports considers results with leaners the primary indicator of the race.

If leaners are not included, Manchin posts a 48% to 44% lead over Raese. In late August just after the two men won their respective party primaries, Manchin was ahead 48% to 42%. In a hypothetical matchup in July after state legislators officially approved the special Senate election this year, Manchin led Raese by a 51% to 35% margin.

Sixty-six percent (66%) of those who support Manchin say they are already certain how they will vote in November, as do 65% of Raese's backers.

Manchin remains highly popular in the state, with 67% approving of the job he is doing as governor versus 32% who disapprove.

A slight plurality (42%) of West Virginia voters, in fact, say it would be better for the state if Manchin remained as governor. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say it would be more beneficial for West Virginia if Manchin represented it in the Senate, but another 21% are undecided.

Manchin is running in a state hard hit by the bad economy and where disapproval of President Obama is even higher than it is nationally. West Virginia voters also favor repeal of the national health care law more strongly than voters nationwide.

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in West Virginia was conducted on September 8, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Sixty-five percent (65%) of voters in the state favor repeal of the health care bill, compared to 56% nationally. Just 29% oppose repeal. These numbers include 49% who Strongly Favor repeal and 18% who are Strongly Opposed.

Seventy-one percent (71%) of those who Strongly Favor repeal support Raese, while 81% of those in the much smaller group who are Strongly Opposed support Manchin.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of all West Virginia voters say repeal will be good for the economy, while 21% say it would be a bad move economically.

Only five percent (5%) of voters in the state describe the U.S. economy as good or excellent, while 57% rate it as poor. Seventeen percent (17%) think the economy is getting better, but 60% say it's getting worse.

Forty-four percent (44%) rate the economy as the number one issue in the race, well ahead of all other issues. Manchin has a narrow lead among these voters.

As for the president, just 36% of West Virginia voters approve of the job he is doing, while 62% disapprove. This is higher disapproval than is found among voters nationwide in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Manchin is viewed favorably by 70% of West Virginia voters and unfavorably by 29%. This includes 38% with a Very Favorable opinion and 10% with a Very Unfavorable one. Only one percent (1%) have no opinion of the governor.

For Raese, favorables are 54%, with 22% Very Favorable. His unfavorables are 37%, including 19% Very Unfavorable. Just nine percent (9%) don't know the GOP candidate well enough to venture any kind of opinion of him.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 2:52:39 AM EDT
Freedom's Lighthouse has a +10 right now.

I think they are a little optomistic however.


We will take the House. 1934 was the last time the House switched but not the Senate.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 2:53:26 AM EDT
The problem, as I see it, is if we take either/both the Senate and House, and blow it, then you can count on four more years of Obamarama.

I'd rather have the Leg body out of Dem. hands than I would the presidency, but I see politics as usual happening. We never learn.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 2:55:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/14/2010 4:53:02 AM EDT by sherrick13]

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)

I don't think Castle will win today.


O'Donnell winning in DE would be bigger than Brown winning in MA.


However, fuck Castle. I would be willing to have a 49 seat Senate to kick that fucking RINO out on his ass. (It wouldn't matter because Castle would vote D on all the important stuff anyway)

Reform of the Republican party has to start somewhere.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:01:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
I know we want the house so we can shut down all the asshattery from the jump but do we even want the Senate?

Most strategies I've heard revolve around taking the House and getting enough in the Senate to effectively create grid lock and lame ducking Obama out of office in 2 years.

If we take both and start cutting taxes and improving the economy and repealing stuff that frees up capital and restores confidence Obama will just take credit and run on it in 2012.

I don't claim to be a a political chess master anyone care to enlighten me?




While something along those lines happened with clinton, even if we take the senate dont look for obama to adopt conservative ideas. He will fight for his socialist priciples and go down with the ship.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:01:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)


I'm not buying the media spin that O'donnell in unelectable. I think the senate is in play and I would rather we go for it with true conservatives than RINO's.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:04:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)

I don't think Castle will win today.


O'Donnell winning in CT DE would be bigger than Brown winning in MA.


However, fuck Castle. I would be willing to have a 49 seat Senate to kick that fucking RINO out on his ass. (It wouldn't matter because Castle would vote D on all the important stuff anyway)

Reform of the Republican party has to start somewhere.


Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:06:32 AM EDT
The only thing IL has to offer with Kirk is the opportunity to say that the R's control the Senate. He may just possibly out RINO Snowe and the other RINO's.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:06:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DougR:
Watch for us West Virginians. We are working hard to hit a home run for the nation.

Our very popular governor is running for Sen Byrd's seat. His popularity is 70%. But he is only a few percentage points above his republican challenger. The governor is being successfully linked to Obama, and with just a little more tail wind we will retain him as governor and send a Republican to the US Senate.

All this is happening under the national radar.

From Rasmussen:

West Virginia Governor Joe Manchin and Republican businessman John Raese continue to run a surprisingly close race in the state's special Senate election to replace the late Robert Byrd.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in West Virginia shows Manchin with 50% support and Raese with 45%, when leaners are included. Two percent (2%) prefer some other candidate in the race, and three percent (3%) are undecided.

The West Virginia race now moves from Leans Democratic to a Toss-Up in the Rasmussen Reports Election 2010 Senate Balance of Power rankings. Less than two weeks ago, the first post-primary survey of the race moved it from Solid Democratic to Leans Democratic.

Leaners are those who initially indicate no preference for either of the candidates but answer a follow-up question and say they are leaning towards a particular candidate. From this point forward, Rasmussen Reports considers results with leaners the primary indicator of the race.

If leaners are not included, Manchin posts a 48% to 44% lead over Raese. In late August just after the two men won their respective party primaries, Manchin was ahead 48% to 42%. In a hypothetical matchup in July after state legislators officially approved the special Senate election this year, Manchin led Raese by a 51% to 35% margin.

Sixty-six percent (66%) of those who support Manchin say they are already certain how they will vote in November, as do 65% of Raese's backers.

Manchin remains highly popular in the state, with 67% approving of the job he is doing as governor versus 32% who disapprove.

A slight plurality (42%) of West Virginia voters, in fact, say it would be better for the state if Manchin remained as governor. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say it would be more beneficial for West Virginia if Manchin represented it in the Senate, but another 21% are undecided.

Manchin is running in a state hard hit by the bad economy and where disapproval of President Obama is even higher than it is nationally. West Virginia voters also favor repeal of the national health care law more strongly than voters nationwide.

The survey of 500 Likely Voters in West Virginia was conducted on September 8, 2010 by Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/-4.5 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC. See methodology.

Sixty-five percent (65%) of voters in the state favor repeal of the health care bill, compared to 56% nationally. Just 29% oppose repeal. These numbers include 49% who Strongly Favor repeal and 18% who are Strongly Opposed.

Seventy-one percent (71%) of those who Strongly Favor repeal support Raese, while 81% of those in the much smaller group who are Strongly Opposed support Manchin.

Forty-nine percent (49%) of all West Virginia voters say repeal will be good for the economy, while 21% say it would be a bad move economically.

Only five percent (5%) of voters in the state describe the U.S. economy as good or excellent, while 57% rate it as poor. Seventeen percent (17%) think the economy is getting better, but 60% say it's getting worse.

Forty-four percent (44%) rate the economy as the number one issue in the race, well ahead of all other issues. Manchin has a narrow lead among these voters.

As for the president, just 36% of West Virginia voters approve of the job he is doing, while 62% disapprove. This is higher disapproval than is found among voters nationwide in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Manchin is viewed favorably by 70% of West Virginia voters and unfavorably by 29%. This includes 38% with a Very Favorable opinion and 10% with a Very Unfavorable one. Only one percent (1%) have no opinion of the governor.

For Raese, favorables are 54%, with 22% Very Favorable. His unfavorables are 37%, including 19% Very Unfavorable. Just nine percent (9%) don't know the GOP candidate well enough to venture any kind of opinion of him.


I'm holding out hope, but I highly doubt the "proud to be union coal miners" and the "democrats work for the little man" crowd that make up WV are going to send a (R) to Washington, it's possible but very unlikely.

Raese is really bad at picking his battles, he should have waited a while and went up against that cap and trade globalist scum bag Rockefeller.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 3:09:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By victorgonzales:
^^^^^^


who in the planet would have thought a cali senate seat would be hanging at less than one percent right now?anythings possible after electing an obvious socialist, communist to lead this country. backlash is a bitch when the hopium withdrawal kicks in and the moderates realize who they elected.

The fact that her opponent is a 'Schwartzenegger style' candidate - an extreme moderate coming from a non-political background...

Helps...

Candidates need to be state-appropriate first and foremost, rather than nationally ideologically-correct...



The conservative candidate in the primaries, Devore, actually polled fairly well against Boxer, to my surprise. The one that slipped down real far was the Chicagoite Tom Campbell. I actually think Devore could have stood a chance at beating Boxer. Fiorina is a moderate leftist and a woman and not a Democrat so she certainly stands a good chance of beating Boxer, perhaps better than Devore, although a win is a win. I'm pretty sure though that Fiorina will vote for most of the same things the typical Democrat votes for.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 4:52:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)

I don't think Castle will win today.


O'Donnell winning in CT DE would be bigger than Brown winning in MA.


However, fuck Castle. I would be willing to have a 49 seat Senate to kick that fucking RINO out on his ass. (It wouldn't matter because Castle would vote D on all the important stuff anyway)

Reform of the Republican party has to start somewhere.




Oops, thanks.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:23:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)

I don't think Castle will win today.


O'Donnell winning in CT DE would be bigger than Brown winning in MA.


However, fuck Castle. I would be willing to have a 49 seat Senate to kick that fucking RINO out on his ass. (It wouldn't matter because Castle would vote D on all the important stuff anyway)

Reform of the Republican party has to start somewhere.




Oops, thanks.


Concerning CT, Linda is going to kick little dicky's ass, and his breakdown is going to be wonderful to watch.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 5:37:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)


I'm not buying the media spin that O'donnell in unelectable. I think the senate is in play and I would rather we go for it with true conservatives than RINO's.
Another side effect of O'Donnell winning is that it will add momentum to the tea party. Hopefully showing the GOP that we are serious about reforming the party back to its conservative roots.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 6:35:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Molotov357:

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Deleware is obtainable too, but it means putting Mr Castle in the Senate.

If the GOP is going to take the Senate back, it means 2-3 new RINOS, minimum (2-3 hard-Dem states with 'Would be a Dem everywhere else' R senators)


I'm not buying the media spin that O'donnell in unelectable. I think the senate is in play and I would rather we go for it with true conservatives than RINO's.
Another side effect of O'Donnell winning is that it will add momentum to the tea party. Hopefully showing the GOP that we are serious about reforming the party back to its conservative roots.



That's what I'm hoping for. What draws me to the Tea party is that it's an equal opportunity threat to quid pro quo.

Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:04:43 AM EDT
House is the important one.

Senate don't mean much with all the RINOs that will be in the Rep column.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:07:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:11:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rgkeller:
House is the important one.

Senate don't mean much with all the RINOs that will be in the Rep column.


All spending bills originate in the House.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:25:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ciph:
The only thing IL has to offer with Kirk is the opportunity to say that the R's control the Senate. He may just possibly out RINO Snowe and the other RINO's.

I'm not sure how the Senate will go, but I am sure that your avatar is hilarious.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:29:06 AM EDT
I'm skeptical. I think this is all a way to paint whatever happens in November as a Republican defeat. Build the expectations too high, then when the Dems hang onto a couple more seats that "expected", they win, and it proves that Obama is Lord and Savior.
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:36:01 AM EDT
To our members in Nevada: How in the FU** is Angle blowing it in Nevada??!!

She should be up buy 10 percent, not down by 2.7 percent??!!

Is she a fu**ing DUMBASS????
Link Posted: 9/14/2010 7:55:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By sherrick13:

Originally Posted By rgkeller:
House is the important one.

Senate don't mean much with all the RINOs that will be in the Rep column.


All spending bills originate in the House.


Except Healthcare
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