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Posted: 9/13/2010 12:59:39 PM EDT
What's the best non-lethal defense weapon someone can carry? My friend is having issues with an ex and wants something to carry. I figured I'd ask arfcom regarding the state of the art of non-lethal defense stuff that a woman can carry.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:00:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 1:00:37 PM EDT by Slavac]
Fat people are hard to kidnap.

ETA for serious answer: I bought my girl the Kimber pepper-gel gun (cabellas or anywhere similar caries them).
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:00:38 PM EDT
Can of bear-scare.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:00:51 PM EDT
Trained GSD.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:01:43 PM EDT
flashlight
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:01:43 PM EDT
Glock 26
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:01:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BiteDog:
Trained GSD.

Seems a little heavy to carry. I'd go with a big can of spray.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:02:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cyrus-the-virus:
Glock 26


Non-lethal...not nuke it from orbit.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:03:49 PM EDT
I hear pooping your pants stops a rapist, and I hope I never have to test that.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:05:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By cyrus-the-virus:
Glock 26


Non-lethal...not nuke it from orbit.


It's the only way to be sure.... It's for the children!!!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:12:52 PM EDT
"Vulcan death grip"
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:14:03 PM EDT
The A-Team
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:14:05 PM EDT
Fox Labs. Considered one of the best sprays out there.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:14:15 PM EDT
A really hard punch to the nose.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:15:09 PM EDT
anything in 9mm would be considered non lethal

Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:16:17 PM EDT
hand gun and aim blow the chest....should be non-lethal enough.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:16:57 PM EDT
FOX LABS
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:17:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:17:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Vigilante256:
flashlight


Fleshlight, what the hell would she do with a




Never mind. FLASHLIGHT.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:18:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Can of bear-scare.


this is what i was gonna say too.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:21:07 PM EDT
OC and a strong pimp hand..
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:21:39 PM EDT
"I Sue", ancient Western art of self-defense.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:21:49 PM EDT
Stink pots were used by pirates to clear the deck of a ship before they plundered it. I would imagine smelling like doo doo would have a repulsive effect on a crazy ex...
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:21:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BiteDog:
Trained GSD.


He said non lethal!!

Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:30:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest:
Originally Posted By Slavac:
Fat people are hard to kidnap.
.



Actually it's really easy, just offer us a free Pizza - "Yeah it's in the backseat, go in an get it"



Thanks jerk, I laughed out loud in class.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:33:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:44:34 PM EDT
LTL? Any non-firing zombie standoff device should work. My buddy arms his wife with a few cans of wasp

spray hidden throughout the house. It has a 20ft. garaunteed range printed on the can. I can't emagine it

would be pleasant to get hit with that.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:45:40 PM EDT
penis mutilating tampons FTW!!!
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:57:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By a555:
What's the best non-lethal defense weapon someone can carry? My friend is having issues with an ex and wants something to carry. I figured I'd ask arfcom regarding the state of the art of non-lethal defense stuff that a woman can carry.

Fox Labs.

It's small enough, light enough, that there is no excuse to be without it.
It's easy enough to keep ready, deploy, and operate without trouble for nearly anybody.

There are no batteries to discharge and/or maintain.
There are no probes which have to penetrate heavy leather or wool or thick sweatshirts.

There is no physical force and strength and balance required to strike with it.
You don't need to be within arm's length to use it.

I can't think of a better 'tool' and I think I've made a good case for it.

Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:57:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 1:59:07 PM EDT by AR15fan]
I've used OC Sprays, Batons, pepperball guns and Tasers.

The Taser is by far the most effective.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 1:59:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 2:00:51 PM EDT by gonzo_beyondo]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
I've used OC Sprays, Batons, pepperball guns and Tasers.

The Taser is by far the most effective.

Only if it connects.

I think tasers and stun guns are fucking terrible options for civilian use. JMHO.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:01:24 PM EDT
I thought having a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" was guaranteed to stop all violence?

how about a shirt with that printed on it?
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:01:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DrainBammage:
LTL? Any non-firing zombie standoff device should work. My buddy arms his wife with a few cans of wasp

spray hidden throughout the house. It has a 20ft. garaunteed range printed on the can. I can't emagine it

would be pleasant to get hit with that.


Wasp spray is way more painful than OC.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:03:36 PM EDT
Taser
pepper spray
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:04:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By usmcjones21:
Originally Posted By DrainBammage:
LTL? Any non-firing zombie standoff device should work. My buddy arms his wife with a few cans of wasp

spray hidden throughout the house. It has a 20ft. garaunteed range printed on the can. I can't emagine it

would be pleasant to get hit with that.


Wasp spray is way more painful than OC.

Yeah, imagine mom walking around Kohls with a can of wasp spray.


Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:06:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cmeyer001:
I thought having a sign that says "Gun Free Zone" was guaranteed to stop all violence?

how about a shirt with that printed on it?


None of that is needed when all you have to use is your brain. Turn and walk away. No need for violence.














Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:11:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By usmcjones21:
Originally Posted By DrainBammage:
LTL? Any non-firing zombie standoff device should work. My buddy arms his wife with a few cans of wasp

spray hidden throughout the house. It has a 20ft. garaunteed range printed on the can. I can't emagine it

would be pleasant to get hit with that.


Wasp spray is way more painful than OC.

Yeah, imagine mom walking around Kohls with a can of wasp spray.




I've wondered about the liability of wasp spray. It's one thing if someone's in your home and it's the closest thing to grab, but I imagine you'd be better off shooting someone in public than causing permanent injury with an unapproved less-than-lethal weapon.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:11:56 PM EDT
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:19:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Pav56C:
anything in 9mm would be considered non lethal



I think you better tell those NSW guys to turn in their Sigs then , and we should tell those dead taliban guys that they weren't killed.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:32:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:45:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC

Again, it's a matter of what mom, the wife, the daughter can walk around with ALWAYS.


Because it's about routine, and always being prepared. No excuses.
None of this "well I'm just going jogging, I can't really carry all this..." nonsense.


Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:50:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC

Again, it's a matter of what mom, the wife, the daughter can walk around with ALWAYS.


Because it's about routine, and always being prepared. No excuses.
None of this "well I'm just going jogging, I can't really carry all this..." nonsense.



Some people have an immunity to OC spray.

Any effective self-defense device is going to require a concerted effort to carry... The 'little keychain' OC dispensers are in the 'better than nothing, but...' category....

Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:55:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By usmcjones21:
Originally Posted By DrainBammage:
LTL? Any non-firing zombie standoff device should work. My buddy arms his wife with a few cans of wasp

spray hidden throughout the house. It has a 20ft. garaunteed range printed on the can. I can't emagine it

would be pleasant to get hit with that.


Wasp spray is way more painful than OC.


Only if you get it in their eyes. If the badguy wears sun glasses, you're in a world of hurt.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 2:56:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC

Again, it's a matter of what mom, the wife, the daughter can walk around with ALWAYS.


Because it's about routine, and always being prepared. No excuses.
None of this "well I'm just going jogging, I can't really carry all this..." nonsense.



Exactly. I recommend this:

http://www.defensedevices.com/refforharkey.html



It's tiny and a little bigger than an old Binaca breath freshener. Easy to carry with you all the time.



Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:02:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC


screw the LE type taser, the civilian taser's give a much longer ride!

I think OC sucks, many people are tolerant to it. Plus ever fight someone who is covered in OC, yeah it sucks.

I am by no means a badass, but all the oc made me want to do was kick the guys ass who sprayed me. yeah I couldn't see shit but you can still fight.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:37:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/13/2010 3:37:42 PM EDT by ACPjunkie]
Originally Posted By Pav56C:
anything in 9mm would be considered non lethal



Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:40:05 PM EDT
Stun Gun.
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:49:00 PM EDT
Gut shot or knee shot Israeli style...
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:52:31 PM EDT
why non lethal?
Link Posted: 9/13/2010 3:54:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Get both...

Taser (LEO-type model, with laser aim) AND OC

Again, it's a matter of what mom, the wife, the daughter can walk around with ALWAYS.


Because it's about routine, and always being prepared. No excuses.
None of this "well I'm just going jogging, I can't really carry all this..." nonsense.




I wouldn't lump Tasers in with stun guns, one will drop you where you stand and other makes you say "ow cut that shit out!" We got a demo in our CHL class, pretty cool.
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