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Posted: 9/12/2010 4:17:17 PM EDT
There is a great debate that has been ongoing since the early days of the Tea Party Rallies.

On one hand, people want immediate change. They feel betrayed by the Republican Party and how it has allowed RINO's to infiltrate it's ranks.

Many will immediately point their finger at John McCain. His soft, bi-partisan, flip flopping style has infuriated mass numbers of people.

He exemplifies what Americans are sick and tired of. Entrenched career politicians who will say anything to remain in power and then sell out their conservative base between election cycles.

The American People seem to signal that they are sick of this.


On the other hand, we have candidates that are true conservatives. They have worked their way up from unknown status to challengers in a very short period of time.

Many Americans feel that these people, people who have not been corrupted yet, Virgin politicians if you will, fresh from the Constitutional Conservative factory, are the only way to save us from certain disaster.



This brings us to the great debate and seeming a great point of absolute terror on both sides.

There is the camp that thinks we need to vote (R) no matter what, to get the Democrats out of power and then we can work from there to restore our freedoms and avoid financial suicide.

The opposing camp is tired of the bullshit. They vow to never again vote for the lesser of two evils. They maintain that voting for RINOS will only lead to more of the same.



What say you? I've personally been a part of this debate right here on this forum.

I know Arfcom is mostly a one issue voting bloc, but we seem to be mostly Conservative, followed by Constitutionalists, with a fair amount of libertarians mixed in, I'd like to hear more about this issue.



How do we as a fair representation of the Conservative voting bloc propose that we reverse the erosion of our liberties and pull the national debt gun out of our collective mouths?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:20:19 PM EDT
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:24:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2010 4:25:35 PM EDT by Citadel-SC]
Life long Republican here. Have voted for Republicans that I detested just to avoid the alternative. I will not do it anymore. Some don't get this, and think you should vote for the Lindsay Grahams of the world in order to avoid a Democrat victory. After all that has happened; how can one still believe in this failed strategy?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:25:13 PM EDT
in order of importance i vote for a constitutionalist who believes in COMPELTELY FREE MARKETS (not trade isolationism like most libertarians)
second i vote for a conservative who has no interest in talking about abortion or gays. just sticks to reduction of government and taxes.

third i vote republican.


what i will never vote for is a democrat or for a third party unless there is a proven three way race and polling shows that the third party has a chance and is more into our founding than modern conservatism. That never happens though.



primaries are the place to try and get good candidates. general elections are where you vote for the lesser of two evils that can actually beat the other guy.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:26:42 PM EDT


primaries are the place to try and get good candidates. general elections are where you vote for the lesser of two evils that can actually beat the other guy.


Sadly...This
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:28:00 PM EDT
vote principles.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:29:09 PM EDT
Conservative in the primaries.....Republican in the primaries

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:33:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:

How do we as a fair representation of the Conservative voting bloc propose that we reverse the erosion of our liberties and pull the national debt gun out of our collective mouths?


take over republican precinct committee's

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:35:48 PM EDT
I'm gonna vote for the candidates who admit they're all in this for the power and money.
At least I'll be assured of being looked in the eye when they screw me, instead of being bent over like a $3 whore.


Yeah, that's where I am at: they are ALL full of shit and will screw us as soon as look at us. And they won't buy us dinner first. Or even bother with a reach around.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 4:43:51 PM EDT
I vote Conservative Party line if the candidate is on both lines.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:02:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sydney7629:
Conservative in the primaries.....Republican in the primaries



Wait... What?

I think you meant 'general' in the last part right?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:07:52 PM EDT
I'll probably never vote for a democrat again. Even the so-called conservative dems folded under the pressure and "deal cutting" from Obama, Pelosi or Reid.

Even my own congressional rep. folded to Obama's agenda. In '08 Ann Kirkpatrick ran as a conservative dem and won. She'll be removed in November.

We'll pay for these mistakes for many years.

Giving the dems a majority under Obama is the biggest mistake we as voters could ever make.


Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:09:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2010 5:09:45 PM EDT by Skibane]
Simple:

1. In the primaries, support the candidates that best reflect your views.

2. In the general elections, vote for the only party that has a snowball's chance in hell of stopping the Dems.

In the general elections, you're not only voting for the candidate, but also for the unelected people who will follow from that vote - John Roberts or Elena Kagan; Samuel Alito or Sonya Sotomayor.




Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:11:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:22:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:
Life long Republican here. Have voted for Republicans that I detested just to avoid the alternative. I will not do it anymore. Some don't get this, and think you should vote for the Lindsay Grahams of the world in order to avoid a Democrat victory. After all that has happened; how can one still believe in this failed strategy?


Because democrats are straight up fucking communists.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:26:24 PM EDT
Easy answer: vote for thee candidate most likely to beat the Democrat.

Where possible, that would be an unaffiliated conservative.

Where note, vote the lesser of two evils.

Anyone who says otherwise is a [D] shill.

Yes, Lindsey & Arlen & the other RINO's need tossed out. Do it in the primary.

Voting for a Perot to 'make a statement' gives us the likes of Clinton.

Don't whine, don't bitch, get involved and get involved early.

Simple.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:28:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:

How do we as a fair representation of the Conservative voting bloc propose that we reverse the erosion of our liberties and pull the national debt gun out of our collective mouths?


take over republican precinct committee's



Formula for endless jerking off and never accomplishing anything. Almost as pointless as going to Beck's rallies.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:30:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Easy answer: vote for thee candidate most likely to beat the Democrat.

Where possible, that would be an unaffiliated conservative.

Where note, vote the lesser of two evils.

Anyone who says otherwise is a [D] shill.

Yes, Lindsey & Arlen & the other RINO's need tossed out. Do it in the primary.

Voting for a Perot to 'make a statement' gives us the likes of Clinton.

Don't whine, don't bitch, get involved and get involved early.

Simple.


Many here will just not be able to vote GOP and prove once again that they fear the Right leaning folks more than the Socialist left in the long run .
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:32:12 PM EDT
Don't vote. Stay home and get trashed on Listerine and play Ms. Pac man.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:33:09 PM EDT
I vote conservative first, Republican second. I would not vote for a dem in the current climate.
I'm thinking the Republicans have this one last chance to prove they are going to be the party of small govt.
and low taxes. If they screw us again, it may very well turn out to be fo time.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:33:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:33:39 PM EDT
Conservative or Third Party. I'm through with the Republicans. I would never vote for a Democrat.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:36:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Shooter62:
I vote conservative first, Republican second. I would not vote for a dem in the current climate.
I'm thinking the Republicans have this one last chance to prove they are going to be the party of small govt.
and low taxes. If they screw us again, it may very well turn out to be fo time.


This is comendable but many here will not even commit to this as a way to go in midterm election .
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:37:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rudolf_Diesel:
Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:

How do we as a fair representation of the Conservative voting bloc propose that we reverse the erosion of our liberties and pull the national debt gun out of our collective mouths?


take over republican precinct committee's



Formula for endless jerking off and never accomplishing anything. Almost as pointless as going to Beck's rallies.



i must have missed your suggestion. hang on a sec while i go look for it in this thread....

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:43:48 PM EDT
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:44:41 PM EDT

1. In the primaries, support the candidates that best reflect your views.

2. In the general elections, vote for the only party that has a snowball's chance in hell of stopping the Dems.


This strategy seems to have been followed for several elections and yet if one were to look back over the past 100 years all they see is the continual degradation of freedom, the continual growth of ALL forms of government, and a disturbing increase in the number of people who just shun the whole system and ignore it.

It seems that in Genuine American fashion, the vast majority of us have ignored the REAL issues and ridiculed those who pointed them out to us, until we reached the point that our nation faces total chaos and the reversing of our standard of living.

I guess what I'm saying is that primaries and general election votes are not enough.

We need to actually look at the nuts and bolts of the problem, analyze those problems and figure out how to fix them.

Many people will point to education.

But how do we as Conservatives fight the unions, the entrenched bureaucracy that is the Dept. of Education, and rid our schools of liberal agendas without replacing it with overtly Republican or overly religious themes?

It would be far to idealistic and foolish to think that we can replace liberal bias with a truly NEUTRAL environment that encourages free thinking and personal responsibility, right? Those in power will always try to bend others to their agenda.

How then do we reverse the trend of selfishness, irresponsibility, entitlement, and looking to elected officials to regulate that which we don't agree with or condone?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:45:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Vicinity:
Don't vote. Stay home and get trashed on Listerine and play Ms. Pac man.


I'll mark you down as Voting for Comocho. Fuck Yeah!
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:46:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By Vicinity:
Don't vote. Stay home and get trashed on Listerine and play Ms. Pac man.


I'll mark you down as Voting for Comocho. Fuck Yeah!


Wrong reference. But good movie.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:50:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:50:09 PM EDT
Fine, I'll just follow the sheep and vote for the same two parties that have continued to run this country into the ground for the last 30 years.
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:55:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



Instead of telling the folks who SHOULD be your allies to piss off, why not suggest why they should play CHESS instead of CHECKERS?

Why should they just not stand up, kick the monopoly board, punch the banker, vote for whom they actually like and then go home?

This thread is for debate, not finger pointing. We are on the same team. We just don't seem to have a Coach at this point in time and our playbook has proven to be shaky at best.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:57:18 PM EDT
To Empower the Democrats in any way in the midterm election is showing how much you have issues with the America we grew up in .
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 5:59:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?

Sure. Leave people's personal lives out of it, and run the damned country. Keep the people safe from foreign attack, maintain interstate infrastructure, and let the states take care of their own matters in the fashion that the residents of those state wish to address those concerns.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:00:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



The thread title should be "Vote Rebulican or leave the Dems in control".

Many of the so-called "disgruntled conservatives" on this board are nothing more than divide and conquer trolls.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:02:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



The thread title should be "Vote Rebulican or leave the Dems in control".

Many of the so-called "disgruntled conservatives" on this board are nothing more than divide and conquer trolls.



What does that make me ? (I'm pushin the conservatives & GOP overzealously)
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:06:12 PM EDT
Tea party. Then possibly conservative. If you're neither, you are not a repub...
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2010 6:08:52 PM EDT by DSRV]
Voting third party cost Al Gore the 2000 election. Thankfully. Remember all those thousands of Florida tree-huggers who voted for Ralph Nader? Do you think they were happy Bush won?

Just say'n.

Those who just want to make a statement, can actually turn an election. And not in the direction they want it to go.


Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:07:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



Instead of telling the folks who SHOULD be your allies to piss off, why not suggest why they should play CHESS instead of CHECKERS?

Why should they just not stand up, kick the monopoly board, punch the banker, vote for whom they actually like and then go home?

This thread is for debate, not finger pointing. We are on the same team. We just don't seem to have a Coach at this point in time and our playbook has proven to be shaky at best.


It's not even worth explaining anymore. I've made my stances quite clear around here. Too many chest beaters who refuse to listen to reason. Too many people who wouldn't vote for someone unless they shared 100% of the same views and nothing short. Most around here seem to want to throw a vote away on a fringe candidate than to vote for someone who's 80% on board and has a chance of winning. Unfortunately the left is galvanized. They have a bunch of factions that all hate each other but will vote lock-step while "we" splinter off into little third party factions.

In short, the chess players already know and the checkers players can not be taught chess because they do not want to learn.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:07:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:

Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?

Sure. Leave people's personal lives out of it, and run the damned country. Keep the people safe from foreign attack, maintain interstate infrastructure, and let the states take care of their own matters in the fashion that the residents of those state wish to address those concerns.


So basically put the Constitution back in play.

You hear that Republicans? You want some more votes? Stick to small government, low taxes, freedom, and your delegated powers and stay out of people's bedrooms and stop trying to legislate morality and you can win.

Too bad the only thing that gets some people to the polls is the threat of gay people at the alter.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:10:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/12/2010 6:10:44 PM EDT by LARRYG]
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



The thread title should be "Vote Rebulican or leave the Dems in control".

Many of the so-called "disgruntled conservatives" on this board are nothing more than divide and conquer trolls.



What does that make me ? (I'm pushin the conservatives & GOP overzealously)


I said "many", not "all" and I have seen your posts and don't think you are one of them.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:10:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TxLewis:
Tea party. Then possibly conservative. If you're neither, you are not a repub...


That's not true at all. And this is why the term "RINO" is so overused. Republicanism =/= populism.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:11:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:

Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?

Sure. Leave people's personal lives out of it, and run the damned country. Keep the people safe from foreign attack, maintain interstate infrastructure, and let the states take care of their own matters in the fashion that the residents of those state wish to address those concerns.


So basically put the Constitution back in play.

You hear that Republicans? You want some more votes? Stick to small government, low taxes, freedom, and your delegated powers and stay out of people's bedrooms and stop trying to legislate morality and you can win.

Too bad the only thing that gets some people to the polls is the threat of gay people at the alter.


If you want any of these EVIL FEATURES ( Gay Marrage) (Open Borders) (Drug Legalization) (Unfettered Choice of abortion) (Socialized Medicine) you might not be Conservative .
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:15:30 PM EDT
Now my whole problem with this is, If you have an R, D, C (shortend just to type less) All running in the same race. People will split on the R and C, so that would mean the D would get more votes. I feel we need to have more Conservitives running as Repubulicans. Beat them in the primary and then win the election.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:15:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
If you are planning on voting for a third party, just stay home. Do all of us a favor and don't clog up the roads and the lines in the voting booths for people who actually have a feel for how the real world works. I'm sure the usual suspects will have something to say about this.



The thread title should be "Vote Rebulican or leave the Dems in control".

Many of the so-called "disgruntled conservatives" on this board are nothing more than divide and conquer trolls.



*clap* I didn't want to say it.

Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:18:13 PM EDT
Well, not even two pages in the overall theme stays the same.

Vote Republican or you are a Democrat Troll in disguise.

Vote Republican or you are throwing your vote away and shouldn't even leave the house.

Folks won't vote Republican because they feel betrayed.

Folks won't vote Republican because they cannot stay out of people bedrooms.

Folks won't vote for 3rd party because there is no chance at winning.

Vote your beliefs in the Primaries and (R) in the General Election and keep your fingers crossed.


Is there any hope of breaking the 2 party system?
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:21:40 PM EDT
Conservative in the primaries, in the general I vote against the democrat.

We should give the D's more credit, despite their squabbling, they united under a "Anyone but the "R" " theme and voted us out.
"Not communist enough?", they said, "True, but he's more communist than the other guy!"

Sucks to admit, but it's true.

If only we had the same unity!
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:22:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:

Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?

Sure. Leave people's personal lives out of it, and run the damned country. Keep the people safe from foreign attack, maintain interstate infrastructure, and let the states take care of their own matters in the fashion that the residents of those state wish to address those concerns.


So basically put the Constitution back in play.

You hear that Republicans? You want some more votes? Stick to small government, low taxes, freedom, and your delegated powers and stay out of people's bedrooms and stop trying to legislate morality and you can win.

Too bad the only thing that gets some people to the polls is the threat of gay people at the alter.


If you want any of these EVIL FEATURES ( Gay Marrage) (Open Borders) (Drug Legalization) (Unfettered Choice of abortion) (Socialized Medicine) you might not be Conservative .

The two highlighted "Features" just mean you're not a Religious Conservative. Some people (like me) are fiscally conservative, but at least fairly socially Liberal. That doesn't mean I agree with everything (obviously I'm pro-gun, for example), but it seems that with the current party structure, I have to choose between fiscal irresponsibility with nominally Liberal social constructs, or (lip service given to) fiscal responsibility with overbearing social constraints.

Besides, I live in Detroit. It doesn't matter who I vote for, since the moonbats and the uneducated outweigh any vote I can cast. This is a One-Party town. Even if I voted for a Republican, it would be like voting for a third party, so I'll continue to vote my conscience, regardless of that candidate's chances of winning.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:24:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:


Is there any hope of breaking the 2 party system?


Good news: yes, there is hope.

Bad news: it will result in a permanent democrat majority.

Everyone needs to step back from the bullshit and take a look at the big picture. If you abandon the Republican party as opposed to taking it back, you will forever suffer the consequences of your choice. Smarten up out there.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:24:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Calgunner:
Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:

Originally Posted By TexasDoubleTap:
Originally Posted By killintime:
Originally Posted By Beretta92F:
Neither, for me. I'll have to go Third Party yet again. I like the fiscally conservative part, but I don't like the Religious Zealot part.


This.


Is it possible to draw you into any mainstream conservative party?

It seems that most people associate conservatives as being the Puritan Party.

I get it. The constant beating of the Anti-Abortion, Anti-Gay, Man/Woman Marriage, drum keeps you from associating or voting for some otherwise great candidates.

Instead of telling us what we already know, how about suggesting ways that we can include you and keep the Christian base interested as well?

Sure. Leave people's personal lives out of it, and run the damned country. Keep the people safe from foreign attack, maintain interstate infrastructure, and let the states take care of their own matters in the fashion that the residents of those state wish to address those concerns.


So basically put the Constitution back in play.

You hear that Republicans? You want some more votes? Stick to small government, low taxes, freedom, and your delegated powers and stay out of people's bedrooms and stop trying to legislate morality and you can win.

Too bad the only thing that gets some people to the polls is the threat of gay people at the alter.


If you want any of these EVIL FEATURES ( Gay Marrage) (Open Borders) (Drug Legalization) (Unfettered Choice of abortion) (Socialized Medicine) you might not be Conservative .


Where does the Constitution give the Federal Government the Power to Legislate Gay Marriage, Drugs, Abortion, or Medicine?

The Federal Government is explicitly given the Power to protect our borders and they choose to ignore them, while they waste time and money on things they are not even delegated power to legislate.

If anything Gay Marriage, Drugs, Abortion, and Medical Care should be decided by the States and people allowed to vote with their feet.

Federal Government overstepping it's powers and entering our personal lives is the reason we are in this mess in the first place.

Show me a giant smoking hole in our society and I'll show you failed government involvement and flawed policies.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:26:22 PM EDT
Statist republicans dont want to change anything.. they dont want to really cut government, they dont want to do the hard things, they do not want to lead. They have yet to be able to verbalize conservative classical liberal issues. They only want to perpetuate their own careers and keep the political class in charge.

They are not honorable men working to protect our liberties and better the country and its people.
Link Posted: 9/12/2010 6:30:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lowjack545:
Statist republicans dont want to change anything.. they dont want to really cut government, they dont want to do the hard things, they do not want to lead. They have yet to be able to verbalize conservative classical liberal issues. They only want to perpetuate their own careers and keep the political class in charge.

They are not honorable men working to protect our liberties and better the country and its people.


They are just as bad as the Socialist Democrats & their warped idea of Diversity .
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