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Posted: 9/10/2010 1:44:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 2:03:37 PM EDT by cm]
Remember good ole Dan Baum, who wrote a story for Harper Magazine on concealed weapons - happyness was a worn gun, was in New Orleans for Katrina, had some article titled Nine Lives or something like that. He also is promoting a blog called our gun thing - gotta have key words, yah know, so search engines will pick them up....

Well, he had posted a question on here asking people who cached weapons to contact him so he could get information for a story he was writing..... You know, anonymously, like.....

The general discussion thread was titled "caching weapons" here

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&page=1

There was another, shorter one, in the survival forum, which quickly got locked for him trolling.

Dan Baum was most notable for

3. I really don't need any paranoid dickheads accusing me of being an ATF agent. You don't want to deal with me, fine. But hold off on the insults. Let's be gentlemen.

when people started to question his motive on the first page.

and then the thread took off..... as everybody started finding out he..... was the typical liberal fudd.... guns are okay for him, as long as he was using them to hunt or target shoot with.... concealed carry means you have to be a paranoid, hyper vigilent, watch everybody for the slightest wrong move (not his words.... well, only partially) person.

People showed he didn't understand the 2nd amendment, and lied and distorted things in his articles.

Generally, it didn't make Dan Baum look good......


Well, like any liberal does, when they don't like the way history portrays them, he has rewrote history....


Searching for the terms "dan baum caching weapons" only brings up the survivlal forum thread. In fact, the first search result is another blog talking about how dan baum was being taken apart in this forum....


The original thread.... never showed up....


Yahoo - only mentions of the dan baum bashing on ar15 showed up, in blogs that mentioned it.


Bing - threads don't even show up.....


So.... When things don't go the way you like them to go, like any other slimy liberal, he apparently requested the most common search engines................... to rewrite things like it didn't happen.


And you, dan baum.... were wondering why people on this board didn't trust you.....


So, if anybody happens on this thread.... beware of the things unethical, slimy, immoral, lying, things people like dan baum do. For, if they start rewriting history, what else will they do....




edit to take out the tin foil cap stuff i put here in jest cause some of you were taking it literally
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:48:00 PM EDT
Not that I lilke the dude, I had fun showing how he grossly misunderstood the use of Justification and Operative clauses... But I think you give the guy too much credit. How exactly would Dan get a search engine do anything?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:50:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BR870:
Not that I lilke the dude, I had fun showing how he grossly misunderstood the use of Justification and Operative clauses... But I think you give the guy too much credit. How exactly would Dan get a search engine do anything?


Google bombing, but usually, thats a coordinated effort and the OP says this involves multiple search engines.

Perhaps our thread is just too old?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:53:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 1:53:44 PM EDT by 40xb-shooter]
Maybe he didnt write it after all and it ended with the thread he got ripped apart on.



Loosen you tinfoil.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:53:09 PM EDT
He has special powers. It comes with the seer sucker jacket, straw hat, his trusty banjo, and ATF CREDENTIALS.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:58:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:01:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By callgood:
dan baum thread


You must be a rogue ATF agent to have access to it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:02:31 PM EDT
Well, ya all could try to do the searches yourself, if you don't believe me...

infact, the google search of "dan baum caching weapons" already shows this thread, but doesn't show one from august?

and it has been shown that google has changed the number of search results return and what was return for articles when obama was campaigning for office....



alright... tried to hyperlink, but something is messed up and links not working...


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:03:33 PM EDT
Harpers...

*snicker*
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:07:00 PM EDT
This could be repetitive –– Black Jack is helping me write.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:09:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cm:
Well, ya all could try to do the searches yourself, if you don't believe me...

infact, the google search of "dan baum caching weapons" already shows this thread, but doesn't show one from august?

and it has been shown that google has changed the number of search results return and what was return for articles when obama was campaigning for office....



alright... tried to hyperlink, but something is messed up and links not working...




It's a conspiracy!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:09:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By callgood:
dan baum thread


You must be a rogue ATF agent to have access to it.


Better than that.

I'm on a MAC.

And awaaaaay we go!

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:18:48 PM EDT
So this guy somehow blocked his GD caching thread from showing up on all the popular search engines?
Is that the gist of the cool story?

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:19:44 PM EDT
Who?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:21:29 PM EDT
after talking to him, i can't imagine that he would rate that thread as even remotely important enough to warrant "censorship".

i didn't post in that thread, but i did email him. told him that i was unsurprised at the reception that he got, but encouraged him to take advantage of the multiple offers he got to go shooting with some of the members.

we wound up corresponding, and it turns out he's actually a really sharp guy. there are some things he believes that (of course) i think are wrong, but i'm actually impressed at the way he is working through this issue. we wound up doing a 90min phone interview regarding the preparedness mindset. another thing that impressed me was that he sent his interview notes for me to review, since he didn't want any on-record statement to be misconstrued or misunderstood. i strongly got the impression that he wants to give an honest account of the self-sufficiency position, rather than just shaping it in order to meet some sort of agenda. we're planning to do a formal, face-to-face interview sometime this fall.

honestly, i think a lot of people would be surprised at his personal opinions. of course, this would require that people actually enter into a conversation with the man, rather than simply assuming.

(p.s., note that "censorship" only occurs when a person in authority (you know...a censor) suppresses a statement. google bombing, even if it actually takes place, is not censorship.)




Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:24:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 2:28:37 PM EDT by cm]

they probably got removed if he complained that the thread had confidential information being revealed without his consent.

the problem is, all the information that was there, was stuff that he had made available himself, on the internet.

one was a picture of his family at the obama inaugeration , which led to some comments about his daughter and wife.

there was some kind of address to contact him.

and there was a callout comment to the pit that he took as a physical threat

so, any combination of these, he could have used to get the thread removed


edit - to add - the only way I knew something strange was going on was when i google searched the thread for some comments i remembered, and couldn't find it with google. things got stranger when the survival forum thread showed up, but the main one didn't, and it wouldn't show up in yahoo or bing. it does show up in mama.com, and probably other, less used ones though


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:36:58 PM EDT
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:39:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sirensong:


we wound up corresponding, and it turns out he's actually a really sharp guy. there are some things he believes that (of course) i think are wrong, but i'm actually impressed at the way he is working through this issue. we wound up doing a 90min phone interview regarding the preparedness mindset. another thing that impressed me was that he sent his interview notes for me to review, since he didn't want any on-record statement to be misconstrued or misunderstood. i strongly got the impression that he wants to give an honest account of the self-sufficiency position, rather than just shaping it in order to meet some sort of agenda. we're planning to do a formal, face-to-face interview sometime this fall.

honestly, i think a lot of people would be surprised at his personal opinions. of course, this would require that people actually enter into a conversation with the man, rather than simply assuming.



i read some of his stuff, and listened to his interviews... and pointed out in the thread that he should meet with some people and go out to a range also... that said, i also said he gave me the impression that he was a liberal fudd.

If you listen to his interviews, he is surprised by the fact that reality did not match what the antigun crowd's perception of firearms was, however, he still goes on to support more gun control....

he also didn't do due diligence in researching information for his articles, and portrayed some information negatively, that I interpreted as to portray gwb in a bad light - look back in the original thread, where i posted about his article and the end of the awb.

So, while he may be a firearms owner and user, i certainly would not trust him to not want to prevent you or anyone else from being able to own or use them if he could - listen to him talk about how the gun control crowd has not taken the inititive to be more proactive, etc.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:42:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:42:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cm:

Originally Posted By sirensong:


we wound up corresponding, and it turns out he's actually a really sharp guy. there are some things he believes that (of course) i think are wrong, but i'm actually impressed at the way he is working through this issue. we wound up doing a 90min phone interview regarding the preparedness mindset. another thing that impressed me was that he sent his interview notes for me to review, since he didn't want any on-record statement to be misconstrued or misunderstood. i strongly got the impression that he wants to give an honest account of the self-sufficiency position, rather than just shaping it in order to meet some sort of agenda. we're planning to do a formal, face-to-face interview sometime this fall.

honestly, i think a lot of people would be surprised at his personal opinions. of course, this would require that people actually enter into a conversation with the man, rather than simply assuming.



i read some of his stuff, and listened to his interviews... and pointed out in the thread that he should meet with some people and go out to a range also... that said, i also said he gave me the impression that he was a liberal fudd.

If you listen to his interviews, he is surprised by the fact that reality did not match what the antigun crowd's perception of firearms was, however, he still goes on to support more gun control....

he also didn't do due diligence in researching information for his articles, and portrayed some information negatively, that I interpreted as to portray gwb in a bad light - look back in the original thread, where i posted about his article and the end of the awb.

So, while he may be a firearms owner and user, i certainly would not trust him to not want to prevent you or anyone else from being able to own or use them if he could - listen to him talk about how the gun control crowd has not taken the inititive to be more proactive, etc.







You cannot fix STUPID.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:44:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


To be fair he came off kind of with a smarmy, condescending attitude...

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:49:36 PM EDT
When I search "danbaum caching weapons" on Yahoo it pops up as the sixth link down. Hit the cached link on the search page and it takes you to GD, his topic is the 11th one down.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:51:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:52:56 PM EDT
He was not interested in education. He was just looking for ammunition to fuel his hit job book to make us look like neanderthals.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:54:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
He was not interested in education. He was just looking for ammunition to fuel his hit job book to make us look like neanderthals.

And we played right into his hands by acting like a bunch of closed minded hillbillies. That thread left a bad taste in my mouth


But I guess it is GD after all
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:56:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
He was not interested in education. He was just looking for ammunition to fuel his hit job book to make us look like neanderthals.

And we played right into his hands by acting like a bunch of closed minded hillbillies. That thread left a bad taste in my mouth


But I guess it is GD after all


Read his fucking bio.

What did you expect, the red carpet?

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:57:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cm:

they probably got removed if he complained that the thread had confidential information being revealed without his consent.

the problem is, all the information that was there, was stuff that he had made available himself, on the internet.

one was a picture of his family at the obama inaugeration , which led to some comments about his daughter and wife.

there was some kind of address to contact him.

and there was a callout comment to the pit that he took as a physical threat

so, any combination of these, he could have used to get the thread removed


edit - to add - the only way I knew something strange was going on was when i google searched the thread for some comments i remembered, and couldn't find it with google. things got stranger when the survival forum thread showed up, but the main one didn't, and it wouldn't show up in yahoo or bing. it does show up in mama.com, and probably other, less used ones though




His entire info, including home address and cell number, is one google click away.

Not like he was trying to hide it.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:01:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By callgood:
dan baum thread


http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:02:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:05:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?



May I suggest you navigate over to his blog, and read his blog post about his visit to the Tanner show in Denver:

Our Gun Thing

This is where the famous quote about firearms which "seem to have been designed by Klingons" originated.

This man is NOT in need of an education about firearms, the 2nd Amendment, or U.S. gun owners in general. Baum has his notions, as well as a hefty dose of disdain for fanciers of 'the black rifle'.

Also, check out the response from Baum to the folks over at TTAG after they invite him (cordially) to publish his work on their site: TTAGonist Dan Baum Asks AR Forum to Reveal Hidden Guns

He's your typical, Shiny-Blued-and-Walnut-Guns-For-Me-But-No-AK-or-AR's-Thanks, dyed-in-the-wool Fudd.

And that's about all!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:09:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
He was not interested in education. He was just looking for ammunition to fuel his hit job book to make us look like neanderthals.

And we played right into his hands by acting like a bunch of closed minded hillbillies. That thread left a bad taste in my mouth


But I guess it is GD after all


Read his fucking bio.

What did you expect, the red carpet?


I dont feel like it warranted being rude, but I'm the minority here
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:13:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kozaki:

Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?



May I suggest you navigate over to his blog, and read his blog post about his visit to the Tanner show in Denver:

Our Gun Thing

This is where the famous quote about firearms which "seem to have been designed by Klingons" originated.

This man is NOT in need of an education about firearms, the 2nd Amendment, or U.S. gun owners in general. Baum has his notions, as well as a hefty dose of disdain for fanciers of 'the black rifle'.

Also, check out the response from Baum to the folks over at TTAG after they invite him (cordially) to publish his work on their site: TTAGonist Dan Baum Asks AR Forum to Reveal Hidden Guns

He's your typical, Shiny-Blued-and-Walnut-Guns-For-Me-But-No-AK-or-AR's-Thanks, dyed-in-the-wool Fudd.

And that's about all!

Well they kinda do

His experience of the gun culture has been gunshows and this place. Both are full of retards with some sane folks sprinkled in.


I'm not defending his libtard ass, I just think we should try to educate with intelligent discussion instead of a foodfight. The whole bees with honey type of thing
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:16:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By kozaki:

Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?



May I suggest you navigate over to his blog, and read his blog post about his visit to the Tanner show in Denver:

Our Gun Thing

This is where the famous quote about firearms which "seem to have been designed by Klingons" originated.

This man is NOT in need of an education about firearms, the 2nd Amendment, or U.S. gun owners in general. Baum has his notions, as well as a hefty dose of disdain for fanciers of 'the black rifle'.

Also, check out the response from Baum to the folks over at TTAG after they invite him (cordially) to publish his work on their site: TTAGonist Dan Baum Asks AR Forum to Reveal Hidden Guns

He's your typical, Shiny-Blued-and-Walnut-Guns-For-Me-But-No-AK-or-AR's-Thanks, dyed-in-the-wool Fudd.

And that's about all!

Well they kinda do

His experience of the gun culture has been gunshows and this place. Both are full of retards with some sane folks sprinkled in.


I'm not defending his libtard ass, I just think we should try to educate with intelligent discussion instead of a foodfight. The whole bees with honey type of thing



Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmokay.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:52:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 4:08:06 PM EDT by Kihn]
Oh look! A new article by Dan Baum!

Price of Valor


(I think Dan Baum is trying to pass himself off as something he's not i.e. impartial, objective observer instead of a coy, deceptive little man with the 60's mindset)


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:04:24 PM EDT
I thought you had to be a team member to search GD. That might be why the original thread didn't show up.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:05:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 4:07:46 PM EDT by Kihn]
Durp!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:09:28 PM EDT
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication, and to gain good press for this website and for the type of rifle it is named after.

Being jumped on by a pack of certifiable paranoid mental cases (suspecting some sort of undercover policeman) , being ill treated on the specious principle of ideological purity.

It's a dirty shame to think that he might write his next essay along the honest line that his belief in gun rights is diminished to a large extent by interacting with the sort of people who inspire anything between a little healthy anxiety and serious fear when imagined with all their guns.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:31:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 4:34:23 PM EDT by Kihn]
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication, and to gain good press for this website and for the type of rifle it is named after.

Being jumped on by a pack of certifiable paranoid mental cases (suspecting some sort of undercover policeman) , being ill treated on the specious principle of ideological purity.

It's a dirty shame to think that he might write his next essay along the honest line that his belief in gun rights is diminished to a large extent by interacting with the sort of people who inspire anything between a little healthy anxiety and serious fear when imagined with all their guns.


Your supposition is negated by his proclamation of undying love for the Obama Socialist Paradise machine. He admits his political leanings, which in itself, presupposes a dislike of individualist rights and personal liberties (at least for those who are obviously undeserving). While he pretends to see from the eyes of the other side, his opinions are just a regurgitated and repackaged, cosmopolitan view delivered in such a way to feign empathy for those of a lesser capacity (proverbial big city thinker) while still defending the original position of the left. Honesty is an interesting word to choose when his intent seems to be more of a deceptive one.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:20:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?



If you had read anything he previously wrote, then you would see what angle he was probably trying to go with whatever it was he was trying to write.

People were shitting on him for a reason.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 5:45:44 PM EDT
I never did see what happened with that whole shit fest. Did he finally pack his bags and go home?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 6:57:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 7:00:39 PM EDT by jdb3]
Originally Posted By damcv62:
I never did see what happened with that whole shit fest. Did he finally pack his bags and go home?


Tango7 said he was locked.

EDIT: AeroE posted
He's locked. He could probably get unlocked by sending an email to TBK1.


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:10:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 7:11:46 PM EDT by flyfishnepa]
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication




decent and fair minded?

and harpers isn't premier or tier anything

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:16:27 PM EDT
amateur
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 7:35:14 PM EDT
Your search fu is weak Bing
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 10:32:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication




decent and fair minded?

and harpers isn't premier or tier anything


Take a bit of time out of your busy day, and go to a large book store, and find the wall or the shelves where they keep periodicals.

Take a look, and acquaint yourself with the number of different magazines.

You'll some are just pornography, some are about cars, about boats perhaps, certainly a great many on fitness, a few on guns, an awful lot for women, and and equally awful lot for men, several about women's fashion, several about men's, a few about travel, perhaps one or two about knives or aviation, several on cooking, several on losing weight, really, almost any topic you could think of.

Now, acquaint yourself with these magazines, and then, when you're done, take down a few of the better sort, the sort that the people who care about knowing and quality get at home, and purchase in airports when they travel. There are only a few in this august and rarefied company.

The preeminent one is, as it long has been, the New Yorker, it's peer is the Economist, a notch below those two are Harper's and the Atlantic. You could probably include the Council on Foreign Relations' journal to be up there as well, except for the relative narrowness of it's scope.

It's clear now that there are indeed tiers to the magazine world. Tier one, led by the New Yorker and the Economist at the paramount pinnacle, consists of those two, Harper's, the CFR, and the Atlantic.

Second tier would be the better interest-specific magazines, mainly Conde Nast's stuff, and of course Vogue. Rolling Stone might make the cut, and the National Geographic society, belongs perhaps indeed to the top tier, nevertheless reigns over the science magazines.

The third tear would be all the demographic minded gimmicky rubbish, don't you agree?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 10:45:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By nsw8148:

Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
Originally Posted By nsw8148:
I just remembered everybody being an asshole to the guy.



Instead of showing differing viewpoints, everybody dropped all forms of decency and acted like a bunch of fucking teenagers


Ass fuckim. He deserved it, coming in here with a condescending attitude, talking down to us with his preconceived notions.
All I remember was him asking a question for a book he was writing, giving some background on himself, and everybody jumping on his shit.



And after a ton of members are rude, he calls them out on being dickheads, and gets in trouble for it.


How about we try to educate people instead of scare them away?



His post on the first page of his thread referred to members as paranoid dicks.

Before anyone had given him any shit other than one person making an ATF joke


He brought the shit storm on himself

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 11:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 11:05:32 PM EDT by flyfishnepa]

Originally Posted By LW303:

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication




decent and fair minded?

and harpers isn't premier or tier anything


Take a bit of time out of your busy day, and go to a large book store, and find the wall or the shelves where they keep periodicals.

Take a look, and acquaint yourself with the number of different magazines.

You'll some are just pornography, some are about cars, about boats perhaps, certainly a great many on fitness, a few on guns, an awful lot for women, and and equally awful lot for men, several about women's fashion, several about men's, a few about travel, perhaps one or two about knives or aviation, several on cooking, several on losing weight, really, almost any topic you could think of.

Now, acquaint yourself with these magazines, and then, when you're done, take down a few of the better sort, the sort that the people who care about knowing and quality get at home, and purchase in airports when they travel. There are only a few in this august and rarefied company.

The preeminent one is, as it long has been, the New Yorker, it's peer is the Economist, a notch below those two are Harper's and the Atlantic. You could probably include the Council on Foreign Relations' journal to be up there as well, except for the relative narrowness of it's scope.

It's clear now that there are indeed tiers to the magazine world. Tier one, led by the New Yorker and the Economist at the paramount pinnacle, consists of those two, Harper's, the CFR, and the Atlantic.

Second tier would be the better interest-specific magazines, mainly Conde Nast's stuff, and of course Vogue. Rolling Stone might make the cut, and the National Geographic society, belongs perhaps indeed to the top tier, nevertheless reigns over the science magazines.

The third tear would be all the demographic minded gimmicky rubbish, don't you agree?

i've never read such a load of hog wash in my life and i've never seen someone say so little in so many words. there are no tiers in the magazine world and to even imply one is "above" another is extremely sophomoric. your opinion on "tony" magazines is just that, your opinion.

and your "i'm above it all " shtick is tiresome


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 11:15:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Originally Posted By callgood:
dan baum thread


http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1079916&light= dan baum thread

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Link Posted: 9/11/2010 1:56:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:

Originally Posted By LW303:

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication




decent and fair minded?

and harpers isn't premier or tier anything


Take a bit of time out of your busy day, and go to a large book store, and find the wall or the shelves where they keep periodicals.

Take a look, and acquaint yourself with the number of different magazines.

You'll some are just pornography, some are about cars, about boats perhaps, certainly a great many on fitness, a few on guns, an awful lot for women, and and equally awful lot for men, several about women's fashion, several about men's, a few about travel, perhaps one or two about knives or aviation, several on cooking, several on losing weight, really, almost any topic you could think of.

Now, acquaint yourself with these magazines, and then, when you're done, take down a few of the better sort, the sort that the people who care about knowing and quality get at home, and purchase in airports when they travel. There are only a few in this august and rarefied company.

The preeminent one is, as it long has been, the New Yorker, it's peer is the Economist, a notch below those two are Harper's and the Atlantic. You could probably include the Council on Foreign Relations' journal to be up there as well, except for the relative narrowness of it's scope.

It's clear now that there are indeed tiers to the magazine world. Tier one, led by the New Yorker and the Economist at the paramount pinnacle, consists of those two, Harper's, the CFR, and the Atlantic.

Second tier would be the better interest-specific magazines, mainly Conde Nast's stuff, and of course Vogue. Rolling Stone might make the cut, and the National Geographic society, belongs perhaps indeed to the top tier, nevertheless reigns over the science magazines.

The third tear would be all the demographic minded gimmicky rubbish, don't you agree?

i've never read such a load of hog wash in my life and i've never seen someone say so little in so many words. there are no tiers in the magazine world and to even imply one is "above" another is extremely sophomoric. your opinion on "tony" magazines is just that, your opinion.

and your "i'm above it all " shtick is tiresome



Just give it a try, and you'll come around.


Link Posted: 9/11/2010 6:37:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By LW303:

Originally Posted By flyfishnepa:
Originally Posted By LW303:
Ah, just the right thing to do to a decent and fair minded writer about guns who is published in one of the premier, genuinely Tier 1 American publication




decent and fair minded?

and harpers isn't premier or tier anything


Take a bit of time out of your busy day, and go to a large book store, and find the wall or the shelves where they keep periodicals.

Take a look, and acquaint yourself with the number of different magazines.

You'll some are just pornography, some are about cars, about boats perhaps, certainly a great many on fitness, a few on guns, an awful lot for women, and and equally awful lot for men, several about women's fashion, several about men's, a few about travel, perhaps one or two about knives or aviation, several on cooking, several on losing weight, really, almost any topic you could think of.

Now, acquaint yourself with these magazines, and then, when you're done, take down a few of the better sort, the sort that the people who care about knowing and quality get at home, and purchase in airports when they travel. There are only a few in this august and rarefied company.

The preeminent one is, as it long has been, the New Yorker, it's peer is the Economist, a notch below those two are Harper's and the Atlantic. You could probably include the Council on Foreign Relations' journal to be up there as well, except for the relative narrowness of it's scope.

It's clear now that there are indeed tiers to the magazine world. Tier one, led by the New Yorker and the Economist at the paramount pinnacle, consists of those two, Harper's, the CFR, and the Atlantic.

Second tier would be the better interest-specific magazines, mainly Conde Nast's stuff, and of course Vogue. Rolling Stone might make the cut, and the National Geographic society, belongs perhaps indeed to the top tier, nevertheless reigns over the science magazines.

The third tear would be all the demographic minded gimmicky rubbish, don't you agree?


I agree as well, shallow and pedantic.
Link Posted: 9/11/2010 7:04:20 AM EDT
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