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Posted: 9/10/2010 1:34:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 1:40:53 PM EDT by LazarusLong]
I'm thinking I need one of the Pedersoli .72 caliber double barrel muzzleloaders. Home made black powder would cost me around $5-6 per pound. I already cast bullets so I could pick up a mold for the 550 grain round ball and cast them out of wheelweights near for free. Musket caps are cheap... And I REALLY wanna shoot something with a 550 grain ball at near 2000 FPS. I'm thinking this could be one of the ultimate "fun" guns. What do you all think?



Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:35:33 PM EDT
Sweet!

Post pictures of your shoulder afterwards.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:37:22 PM EDT
"Talk me out of a .72 caliber double rifle!"

no
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:37:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sprayandpray:
"Talk me out of a .72 caliber double rifle!"

no

This.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:38:47 PM EDT
How much does the rifle cost?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:38:51 PM EDT
Go for it
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:39:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sprayandpray:
"Talk me out of a .72 caliber double rifle!"

no


My thought exactly

Get it and post some cool AARs
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:39:29 PM EDT
My back hurts just LOOKING at that rifle.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:40:01 PM EDT
You don't need that shit for ANYTHING on this continent. Don't do it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:40:05 PM EDT
You won't
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:40:25 PM EDT
Let me know how it is.. I still have a 75cal blunderbuss that I built last spring that needs test firing
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:41:05 PM EDT
Sounds painful and you'll lose whatever you're shooting at in a huge plume of smoke.


Buy it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:42:33 PM EDT
A 54 caliber doesn't have that much kick. How bad could a 72 caliber be? I'd go for it.

FWIW, I hunt elk mostly with muzzle loaders.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:45:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
A 54 caliber doesn't have that much kick. How bad could a 72 caliber be? I'd go for it.

FWIW, I hunt elk mostly with muzzle loaders.


After some of the matches we shoot even aven a 50 gets painful after a while
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:47:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
A 54 caliber doesn't have that much kick. How bad could a 72 caliber be? I'd go for it.

FWIW, I hunt elk mostly with muzzle loaders.


.58 was a pussy cat for me. I'm shooting 500 gr Mini balls over 65gr FFF
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:47:34 PM EDT
DO IT!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:47:53 PM EDT
Oh...I think you need to do it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:51:44 PM EDT
And I REALLY wanna shoot something with a 550 grain ball at near 2000 FPS.


If there's anything out there that merits this...............

you'd better pull both triggers at once.

You might not have time to recover for a second shot.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:51:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob243:
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
A 54 caliber doesn't have that much kick. How bad could a 72 caliber be? I'd go for it.

FWIW, I hunt elk mostly with muzzle loaders.


After some of the matches we shoot even aven a 50 gets painful after a while
That makes sense. I only shoot 5 or ten rounds to sight in, another 10 or so to practice loading technique and rapid firing, and then I carry at least two rifles with me in case I need a second or third shot.

Typically the way it works is between my dad and I, we carry three rifles. We both typically go on the same hunts. We both shoot at the same animal, hopefully hitting it twice. If this doesn't work, then we have the third rifle for a finishing shot.

Then we quit, because hauling two elk is even worse than hauling one elk out, and he has no room for a third freezer.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:55:10 PM EDT
It takes bigger balls to shoot a .58.
It takes really big balls to shoot a .72.

Why not?
If you got the coin and the itch for it; go ahead. If you stall & don't, you'll always wonder what you missed out on.

There are plenty of big ass bad attitude boars that are in dire need of a .72" attitude adjustment.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:57:09 PM EDT
Do it!!!
Post AAR
I just got a double rifle, (470NE), a few weeks ago
Haven't fired it yet
72 cal. sounds like FUN
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:58:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By Bob243:
Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:
A 54 caliber doesn't have that much kick. How bad could a 72 caliber be? I'd go for it.

FWIW, I hunt elk mostly with muzzle loaders.


After some of the matches we shoot even aven a 50 gets painful after a while
That makes sense. I only shoot 5 or ten rounds to sight in, another 10 or so to practice loading technique and rapid firing, and then I carry at least two rifles with me in case I need a second or third shot.

Typically the way it works is between my dad and I, we carry three rifles. We both typically go on the same hunts. We both shoot at the same animal, hopefully hitting it twice. If this doesn't work, then we have the third rifle for a finishing shot.

Then we quit, because hauling two elk is even worse than hauling one elk out, and he has no room for a third freezer.



Sounds like a good time.. I get a little hunting in, but mostly target shoot. Building them is what I enjoy most
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 1:58:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By junebug68:
You don't need that shit for ANYTHING on this continent. Don't do it.


Fuck that, its purpose built to kill dikfurs
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:01:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KiowaCreekRaider:
Do it!!!
Post AAR
I just got a double rifle, (470NE), a few weeks ago
Haven't fired it yet
72 cal. sounds like FUN

Have fun with that. My .375H&H kicks my ass.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:01:06 PM EDT
how bad is the recoil say- compared to an 870 with 3in slugs?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:01:49 PM EDT
I've never regretted buying a Pedersoli gun.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:02:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 2:09:21 PM EDT by Tolip]
Originally Posted By dedfella:
Originally Posted By sprayandpray:
"Talk me out of a .72 caliber double rifle!"

no


My thought exactly

Get it and post some cool AARs


Me too.

I want one now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiJMSS2soA
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:03:21 PM EDT
Damn, another gun I didn't know about but now have to buy.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:05:14 PM EDT
Yeah, why would I try to talk you out of something I'd like to do as well?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 2:06:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mateba:
Damn, another gun I didn't know about but now have to buy.


Keep the powder dry, and the powder goes in before the ball. Now you know something about it, enjoy your next purchase
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:26:40 PM EDT
Nope! go right ahead...
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:31:25 PM EDT
Let me know when you get it and I'll come shoot it with you.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:32:37 PM EDT
beautiful looking rifle.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:35:05 PM EDT
Does anyone else make their own black powder?

How exact do you need to be when measuring the ingredients? Is it very forgiving?
Do you grind the sulfur or charcoal your self (how fine do they need to be?) or buy bulk chemicals?

I'm intrigued.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:36:00 PM EDT
Talk you out of it? No way. That thing looks great!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:36:22 PM EDT
Buy It!

I would advise against home made black powder, though. Not because of safety - contrary to popular belief, you can make it safely. I've done it. It's not near the quality of a good brand like Swiss or Goex though. It burns dirtier and doesn't have as much power, and unless you're set up to screen it to the correct grain size it's hard to get it consistent. If you go to www.powderinc.com and buy in bulk you can get black powder pretty cheap. I would use something like Swiss 1.5 in a gun of this size. That's what I use in my 45-70 and it's extremely accurate and clean burning.

Also, don't use Pyrodex. A fine rifle like this deserves the real stuff.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:42:33 PM EDT
I shoot .69 caliber smooth bore now and it's a piece of cake. A double in .69, .72 or .75 would just make me giddy as hell so NO, I won't talk you out of purchasing such a double. In fact I encourage it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:48:34 PM EDT
You're a pussy if you don't get it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:55:36 PM EDT
First result on google

$1200 I thought it was gonna be super expensive.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:58:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By junebug68:
You don't need that shit for ANYTHING on this continent. Don't do it.


Or, to put it another way...

That will slaughter anything that walks the land, and can be shot for pennies.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:59:03 PM EDT
How 'bout a Side-by-Side double-barrelled 'RIFLED' slug-gun...? ( shotgun )
Wouldn't that be about the same thing?

If not, somebody oughtta make one!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 3:59:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
Talk you out of it? No way. That thing looks to pack a great wallop!


Just admit it...you've already made up your mind OP.

Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:02:35 PM EDT
You don't want it. You want to buy it and send it to me to cure you of the desire.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:03:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/10/2010 4:05:01 PM EDT by Notched]
Originally Posted By junebug68:
You don't need that shit for ANYTHING on this continent. Don't do it.


huh wut?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:13:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By junebug68:
You don't need that shit for ANYTHING on this continent. Don't do it.

Can't be serious? Have you seen the size of those tree rats in La.?
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:21:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:27:09 PM EDT
The proper name for this double rifle is the Pedersoli .72 Kodiak Double Express. I own one. I stripped it down and finished it to look like the double rifle it should. It is heavy, paticularly in the nose, which makes me think the felt recoil will be minimized. Black Powder muzzleloaders don't recoil as bad as you think they might given their caliber and the nature of the black powder burn. Then again, I have yet to shoot my .72 Kodiak Double Express, which is disgusting considering the number of years I have owned it.

They are beautiful rifles. Buy one for that reason only.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:27:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Noname:



Shooting one...


That's fucking awesome!!
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:28:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sprayandpray:
"Talk me out of a .72 caliber double rifle!"

no


Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:36:37 PM EDT
I saw one in the Bargain cave at the Kansas City Cabelas for $800 last year. I wanted that thing so f'ing bad. It was in perfect condition. Wife said no. Made me wish I was single.
Link Posted: 9/10/2010 4:58:21 PM EDT
Pedersoli .72 caliber double rifle is basically a rifled 12 guage.
Try this for an effective bullet
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1284166408.4428=/html/catalog/blackpow.html#shotgun

The only reaon I can think of to talk you out of one of these rifles is the cost.

You can buy a Mossberg 500 rifled and cantilivered slug gun for well under $500.
Load brass or plastic shells with blackpowder and a slug of your choice and you have a faster reload and one more shot.
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