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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:08:41 AM EDT
[#1]
tag for quick answer and ill shut up.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:09:04 AM EDT
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I use a CMMG conversion in one of my carbines, 14.5 1/9 barrel. I get pretty decent groups at 50 yards even with crappy Remington Golden ammo.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:09:49 AM EDT
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I use a CMMG conversion in one of my carbines, 14.5 1/9 barrel. I get pretty decent groups at 50 yards even with crappy Remington Golden ammo. decent like 1" or decent like pie plate? |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:12:11 AM EDT
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I'm very interested in 25-yard accuracy on these kits and if anybody can recommend a particular kit.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:12:31 AM EDT
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I have a Spikes SR-22 dedicated upper and the accuracy is good, not great.
I also swap it out with the BCG on my A4 clone, and it's good out to 50 yards, but beyond that it's all over the place. But I use the .22 conversion for training to build muscle memory, not accuracy. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:12:40 AM EDT
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The groups are reasonable but less accurate than a dedicated .22. My spikes kit seems to open up groups by about an 1" at 50 yards over similar groups with my GSG.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:13:31 AM EDT
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At 50yds I get "decent" like baseball sized (or maybe very slightly smaller).
Back to back it's noticeably less accurate than 5.56 but good enough for my purposes. This is from a 10yr old bushmaster upper, m4 profile barrel, can't remember the twist. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:14:03 AM EDT
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I have the milsurp kit I bought thru SARCO way back in the day and the current Ciener kit.
I'd say accuracy is the same as you would get out of a factory 10-22. In other words, no great shakes and I would not use it for matches, but good enough for shooting cans. Call it a 3-6" group at 50 yds depending on ammo. Round nose bullet profiles only. Both kits choke on the hyper-velocity stuff. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:14:15 AM EDT
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I use a CMMG conversion in one of my carbines, 14.5 1/9 barrel. I get pretty decent groups at 50 yards even with crappy Remington Golden ammo. decent like 1" or decent like pie plate? Should've been more specific...sorry. By "decent" I mean around 2-3", sometimes less if I do my part. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:15:16 AM EDT
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My zero changed an inch right and an inch down at 25 yards.
I think the slower twist rate barrels are better than fast twist. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:15:50 AM EDT
[#11]
Awesome, thanks hive. I was looking at one for plinking, training, SHTF small game purposes. Sound like it's worth it.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:23:52 AM EDT
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Awesome, thanks hive. I was looking at one for plinking, training, SHTF small game purposes. Sound like it's worth it. If those are your expectations, a conversion kit will work just fine. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:35:17 AM EDT
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Get it........ I use a cmmg kit in a cheapo cmmg bargain bin 1/9 and then run a few 223 after the 22 to blow it out. It's more about putting more rounds down range faster than accuracy to me which eventually leads to more accuracy faster with the real thing. The mags are a pita to load though. I did the tampon mod. .......and you can't have too many mags or too much lube on the kit.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:41:58 AM EDT
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I have a Spikes SR-22 dedicated upper and the accuracy is good, not great. I also swap it out with the BCG on my A4 clone, and it's good out to 50 yards, but beyond that it's all over the place. But I use the .22 conversion for training to build muscle memory, not accuracy. This has been my experience, more or less, with a Ceiner .22 LR kit in a Bushmaster 20", 1:9 heavy barrel upper. I once took that combo to the 100-yard tunnel to see what would happen. I never got it on paper. I don't know whether the bullets were actually tumbling past 50 yards, or what. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:44:31 AM EDT
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I use a CMMG kit in a 1x9 Bushy 14.5" with Izzy hider, I can keep all of the shots using Remmy Bulk Pack in the black on an NRA small bore target at 25 yards with a 4 power FACOG.
Good enough for me! |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:46:13 AM EDT
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Awesome, thanks hive. I was looking at one for plinking, training, SHTF small game purposes. Sound like it's worth it. Forgot to mention. I've never chronographed them but I'm sure there is some velocity loss. Game loads may not expand reliably at longer ranges. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:47:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: What's the tampon mod?Get it........ I use a cmmg kit in a cheapo cmmg bargain bin 1/9 and then run a few 223 after the 22 to blow it out. It's more about putting more rounds down range faster than accuracy to me which eventually leads to more accuracy faster with the real thing. The mags are a pita to load though. I did the tampon mod. .......and you can't have too many mags or too much lube on the kit. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:48:18 AM EDT
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They do great with the surplus 1-in-12 twist barrels.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:49:48 AM EDT
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What's the tampon mod?
Get it........ I use a cmmg kit in a cheapo cmmg bargain bin 1/9 and then run a few 223 after the 22 to blow it out. It's more about putting more rounds down range faster than accuracy to me which eventually leads to more accuracy faster with the real thing. The mags are a pita to load though. I did the tampon mod. .......and you can't have too many mags or too much lube on the kit. Thank you. I wasn't brave enough to ask. 
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:50:59 AM EDT
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Another CMMG user here. Kit pays for itself within two or three range trips. OK accuacy out of a 1/9 twist at 25 yards. Extra mags are a must though. Also get a thumb loader as it makes loading the mags so much easier than by hand. Had trouble tryng to stuff more than 20 rounds in a 26 round mag without the thumb loader.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:57:22 AM EDT
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What's the tampon mod?
Get it........ I use a cmmg kit in a cheapo cmmg bargain bin 1/9 and then run a few 223 after the 22 to blow it out. It's more about putting more rounds down range faster than accuracy to me which eventually leads to more accuracy faster with the real thing. The mags are a pita to load though. I did the tampon mod. .......and you can't have too many mags or too much lube on the kit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMOAv6rT30s |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 6:57:59 AM EDT
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Accuracy is not good enough with a CMMG kit in my rifles for 100 yard training, but 50 and under is fine.
I found that I had training scars due to the lack of bolt hold open function, the next time I shot centerfire I skipped the release and manually cycled the bolt without thinking. That reminds me, I could really use one of these CMMG .22LR BHO actuator blocks. Does anybody know when CMMG started including BHO followers in their mags? I bought mine about a year ago, they have the green followers that stick way out. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:03:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: They do great with the surplus 1-in-12 twist barrels. This. With good ammo I could do 1" groups at 50 yards from a rest. That's as good as my stock 10/22, and as good as my CZ-22 upper. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:06:31 AM EDT
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I've got an old SP1 type 1-12 upper that I use for rimfire. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:14:32 AM EDT
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Awesome, thanks hive. I was looking at one for plinking, training, SHTF small game purposes. Sound like it's worth it. Yeah get one for sure. I'm with the others on getting baseball sized groups at 50 yards using Fed bulk ammo in a 1/7 twist. I enjoy varmint hunting at night with it. ETA: Mine's a Ceiner and runs like a top on everything except Remington ammo. Make sure to get copper plated ammo to keep lead out of your gas tube. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:16:19 AM EDT
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The correct twist for 22lr is 1 in 16.
I've got a CZ V22 upper (dedicated .22lr) and it will beat any 5.56 upper shooting .22lr. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:16:36 AM EDT
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There is a great thread on this in the rimfire forum. There are comparisons for multiple twist rates, different conversions, ammo, flashhiders, etc. I bet it will have all the info you need.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 7:30:21 AM EDT
[#28]
my MP 15-22 is a great .22 carbine trainer...that thing is quality.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 8:32:59 AM EDT
[#29]
When it isn't FTE or FTF jamming mine (CMMG) will do 3 inch groups low and right at 50 yards when compared to 223 in a 1 in 9 barrel.
I bought a 15-22 and tossed the conversion in a drawer, somewhere. Never looked back. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 9:04:00 AM EDT
[#30]
Took the kids out last weekend with the bushmaster and the ciener kit. I could put hits on steel at 35 yds without even trying. Same POA. I have not put shots on paper with it to check for grouping but my kids were hitting the small steel ducks at 35 yds pretty regularly. We burned through almost 1k of .22 lr and had only about 5 double feeds and no other failures.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 9:07:27 AM EDT
[#31]
Soda can....100 yards....no issues.
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Posted: 9/10/2010 9:37:38 AM EDT
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I'm very interested in 25-yard accuracy on these kits and if anybody can recommend a particular kit. I have a DoubleStar factory (1:9 twist 16" barrel) ban era rifle with a Ciener kit in it... @ 25 yds one ragged hole is not a problem if I do my part... 
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Posted: 9/10/2010 11:39:49 AM EDT
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Forgot to mention, my shots at 50 yards are centered but low compared to my 5.56 zero. Using the 400 yad aiming point on the scope, though, it's dead nuts on.
My CMMG kit is very reliable, as long as it's wet...and I'll I have for .22 ammo is Remington bulk pack, so I don't know what it might not like. |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 9:33:11 PM EDT
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My zero changed an inch right and an inch down at 25 yards. I think the slower twist rate barrels are better than fast twist. Try the Aguila 60 grain Sniper Subsonic ammo.... |
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Posted: 9/10/2010 9:45:15 PM EDT
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Jerry Cans at 100 yards & I'm happy ...
 
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:25:46 PM EDT
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My zero changed an inch right and an inch down at 25 yards. I think the slower twist rate barrels are better than fast twist. Try the Aguila 60 grain Sniper Subsonic ammo.... I have actually been very surprised with how consistent the Aguila ammo is.... |
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:33:49 PM EDT
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Seen everything from "pretty damn good" to "holy shit I can throw bullets and make a better group". Depends on the barrel
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:34:09 PM EDT
[#38]
Seen everything from "pretty damn good" to "holy shit I can throw bullets and make a better group". Depends on the barrel
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:48:49 PM EDT
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I get pretty good groups with just a conversion kit. Oddly barrel twist has had very little to do with accuracy. It seems the quality of the barrel is much more important. Even more important is finding the right ammo. Different brands of ammo can give you anywhere from 2moa to 10moa groups depending on your setup.
Below are 3 different Uppers I have done testing with. Aguila 38gr Super Extra is my go to hunting round. High velocity hollow point and great accuracy. I've had a bunch of ammo backordered with midway for some time now. I hope to pick back up my testing again soon.
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:59:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: When it isn't FTE or FTF jamming mine (CMMG) will do 3 inch groups low and right at 50 yards when compared to 223 in a 1 in 9 barrel. I bought a 15-22 and tossed the conversion in a drawer, somewhere. Never looked back. send it back. i had one that would FTF(click) then FTE, almost constantly. sent it in then they sent me a new one and its been awesome no problems in 300ish rounds. |
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Posted: 9/11/2010 4:59:58 PM EDT
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My 1x12 barrel shoots pop cans at fifty yards
My three 1x9 barrels shoot milk jugs at fifty yards All iron sights This is with 2 different Ciener kits |
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