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Posted: 9/9/2010 3:21:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:22:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:22:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'm curious how many of you throw your butts out of the car window when you are done smoking a cigarette in your car.

I see it all the time around here, and it really irritates me . BUT, to be fair, I don't actually know how many aren't doing it, because I obviously cannot see the ones who don't do it - so I'm adding a poll.

Please be honest. You don't have to post in the thread that you're a stinkin' litterbug, just admit it in the poll.



(I am also rather proud of my clever play on words in the title )


I did when I smoked. Been 5 years + now since I quit and they still smell delicious.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:23:18 PM EDT
I do when riding in cars without an ashtray, which appears to be a flaw in many newer-model vehicles...

I also smoke nonfiltered cigarettes, which are entirely biodegradable and help add nutrients to the soil, thus producing that luscious greenery you folks enjoy on your trips through rural New Hampshire
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:24:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By timco:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I'm curious how many of you throw your butts out of the car window when you are done smoking a cigarette in your car.

I see it all the time around here, and it really irritates me . BUT, to be fair, I don't actually know how many aren't doing it, because I obviously cannot see the ones who don't do it - so I'm adding a poll.

Please be honest. You don't have to post in the thread that you're a stinkin' litterbug, just admit it in the poll.



(I am also rather proud of my clever play on words in the title )


I did when I smoked. Been 5 years + now since I quit and they still smell delicious.


This is almost exactly what I came in here to post.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:24:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:26:32 PM EDT by rangermonroe]
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:24:22 PM EDT
I like you DK....

So all I say is.... I do, and on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:24:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:25:07 PM EDT
What I hate is for someone to stop at a red light and dump a whole ashtray full!

I HAVE done some things I'm not proud of when confronted with this shit.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:25:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:26:02 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:25:35 PM EDT
I do not smoke in my car or house. When outside, pull over and smoke if needed, I put out on bottom of shoe, fold over and into back pocket.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:26:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By avenj:
I do when riding in cars without an ashtray, which appears to be a flaw in many newer-model vehicles...

I also smoke nonfiltered cigarettes, which are entirely biodegradable and help add nutrients to the soil, thus producing that luscious greenery you folks enjoy on your trips through rural New Hampshire


Good God man! You must be one of the last dozen people in the US to do so. What is your brand? Lucky Strike, Camel?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:26:58 PM EDT
I just hate when they toss them out the car window and we are in severe drought conditions.

Many major forest fires here seem to start along the interstate.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:27:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:27:55 PM EDT by flyfishnepa]

i never did when i smoked. i just tossed the remaining tobacco out the window and put the filter in my ash tray.

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:27:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again.


What? Are they? I thought they weren't.


If that's the case, my problem is that I am embarassingly ignorant of cigarette technology.



yep.

Glad I could help.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:27:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again.


Better check again!

http://www.longwood.edu/cleanva/cigbuttbiodegradable.htm

Are cigarette butts biodegradable?

Most cigarette filters are composed of cellulose acetate, a form of plastic. The white fibers you see in a cigarette filter are NOT cotton, but a plastic that can persist in the environment as long as other forms of plastic.

Clean Virginia Waterways has looked extensively for a published, scientific research paper on the topic of how long cigarette butts take to degrade, and could find none. (If you know of one, please send us an email with details.) Various sources have stated that cigarette filters take 18 months to 10 years to degrade. It is safe to say that the cellulose acetate fibers in cigarette filters, like other plastics, are with us for some time after they are discarded. Since environments differ—some places are wetter, dryer, sunnier, colder, hotter, windy, etc.—so too will the degrading time differ. A cigarette butt that is littered in the Grand Canyon will degrade differently than one that is littered in Virginia.

But even if cigarette filters were quick to degrade, we would still have fires caused by lit cigarette butts, and the toxins found in cigarette butts would still be harmful. That is why Clean Virginia Waterways believes the best way to decrease cigarette butt litter is to educate smokers, rather than try to make filters biodegradable.

What do we mean by "biodegradable?"

When we say "biodegrade," we are saying that something living, for example, bacteria, is responsible for "degrading" an item. There are many methods, however, that lead to something being "degraded." Sunlight, for example, can degrade some things. For example, sunlight can make some plastics brittle. Studies done on plastics in the oceans show that most plastics are broken-down by the UV waves of sunlight. Wind and water can cause erosion which is a form of degradation. Freezing and thawing can also physically change and breakdown items.

Degradable: susceptible to chemical breakdown.

Degrade: to break down a compound; to become degraded, weakened, deteriorate, to decompose.

Biodegradable: capable of decaying through the action of living organisms.

Photodegradable: capable of being broken down by light.

Photodecomposition: The breaking down of molecules by radiant energy.

Definitions from the Random House Dictionary, 2nd edition, Unabridged.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:27:44 PM EDT
Field strip those butts and put them in your pocket we don't want the dinks getting any American tobacco.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:28:03 PM EDT
I keep a water bottle in my vehicle that I "snuff my butts" in.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:28:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:29:52 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:28:33 PM EDT
yup and i love when they land on the windshield of a tailgater
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:28:42 PM EDT
Numerous times, when I smoked, I had to fight the terrible urge to ram a car at full speed because a cigarette they tossed from the window wound up bouncing off my windshield, or in one case, stuck in my wiper.

Do that shit out here in Colorado and you WILL be arrested if caught. That kind of shit starts out-of-control wildfires that incinerate thousands of acres just outside of major metropolitan areas. Not like that happens often, though

_MaH

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Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:28:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again.


What? Are they? I thought they weren't.


If that's the case, my problem is that I am embarassingly ignorant of cigarette technology.


The ones they make for children are shredded asbestos and dipped in thallium.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:29:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again.


Stop being sarcastic.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:29:53 PM EDT
I don't smoke in my truck so no.. never out the window.

The majority of time that I smoke I am within walking distance of an ash tray or trash can.

In the rare cases there isn't a place to dispose of them, they get field stripped put in my pocket and forgotten about until I pull them out of the washing machine.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:30:19 PM EDT
I use a half full water bottle I keep in the door. When I get in, I unscrew the top - smoke near the window, put the butts in the bottle to extinguish, and put cap back on when parking. After a pack full of butts it gets replaced with a different 1/2 full bottle.

I'm a considerate smoker.

No, I don't throw that nasty bottle out the window either...
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:30:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Uhwarrie:
Originally Posted By avenj:
I do when riding in cars without an ashtray, which appears to be a flaw in many newer-model vehicles...

I also smoke nonfiltered cigarettes, which are entirely biodegradable and help add nutrients to the soil, thus producing that luscious greenery you folks enjoy on your trips through rural New Hampshire


Good God man! You must be one of the last dozen people in the US to do so. What is your brand? Lucky Strike, Camel?


Drum, hand-rolled.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:31:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Wait a minute now - TC6969 claims you're blowing smoke up my ass!


Just another anally retrieved "fact" that ARFCOM is famous for!

Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:31:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:31:50 PM EDT
When I smoked, the world was my ashtray.

Now it's just my urinal.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:32:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fiver:
When I smoked, the world was my ashtray.

Now it's just my urinal.


Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:32:33 PM EDT
Nope. Never have.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:33:23 PM EDT
When I was a smoker, I did it once in a while.

For a long time I smoked roll-your-own and/or unfiltered smokes and I worried less about littering with them than with filtered varieties.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:33:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:36:26 PM EDT by Machine249]
Comment removed... Beat to it.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:33:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again.


What? Are they? I thought they weren't.


If that's the case, my problem is that I am embarassingly ignorant of cigarette technology.


Wiki says......

Most cigarette filters are made from cellulose acetate. Depending on conditions, estimates for the time taken for them to degrade range from British American Tobacco's 10 months - 3 years,[6] to 10-15 years.[7]


Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:34:38 PM EDT
My usual MO is to knock the cherry off out the window and put the no longer burning butt in the ashtray.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:35:17 PM EDT
Where's the yes, but no when police are present option?

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Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:35:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mhoffman:
Numerous times, when I smoked, I had to fight the terrible urge to ram a car at full speed because a cigarette they tossed from the window wound up bouncing off my windshield, or in one case, stuck in my wiper.


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Should try it on a motorcycle sometime....... once i got luck and it caught in the fold of my jacket still lit, so i gave it back through the open rear window of their car.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:36:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USMC_Dad:
I keep a water bottle in my vehicle that I "snuff my butts" in.


Same here.

It looks gross but it's better than littering or starting a fire.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:36:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:38:26 PM EDT by ttushooter]
Dont smoke cigs but i have dumped pipe ash out while driving a time or 3.

ETA: now I do use common sense and do not dump the last burning embers out when the local grass is a tinderbox. I will at least wait for the bowl to completely finish burning.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:38:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:44:22 PM EDT by bluefalcon]
Never outside the city. Inside the city I often just strip the cherry and put the actual butt in the ash tray. The freeways are piled with real trash and they get swept regularly by street sweepers so I'm not too worried about it there. I try not to on surface streets unless there's just no easy way to get rid of it.

ETA: Just remembered a time a few years ago when I got hit in the cheek by a butt thrown from another vehicle. I thought it was a bug until I smelled something burning and looked down to see a butt in my side pocket.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:39:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:43:09 PM EDT by rangermonroe]


http://www.azom.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1461


Source

Commercially, cellulose acetate is made from processed wood pulp. The pulp is processed using acetic anhydride to form acetate flake from which products are made.

Coming from wood pulp, means that unlike most man-made fibres, it comes from a renewable resource and is biodegradable.

Another technique for producing cellulose acetate involved treating cotton with acetic acid, using sulfuric acid as a catalyst.



Biodegradable, despite the source.


ETA: Have any of you ever dug up an "old" cigarette butt? As in... "I was digging in my garden and found..."?

I had a spot where all my butts were dropped, a hole in the ground. I went to clean it out one day and was astonished. The only butts that were there were the ones that were less than a month old. The rest were nasty black dirt.

What was that bitch again?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:40:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:42:58 PM EDT by TC6969]
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:


http://www.azom.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1461


Source

Commercially, cellulose acetate is made from processed wood pulp. The pulp is processed using acetic anhydride to form acetate flake from which products are made.

Coming from wood pulp, means that unlike most man-made fibres, it comes from a renewable resource and is biodegradable.

Another technique for producing cellulose acetate involved treating cotton with acetic acid, using sulfuric acid as a catalyst.



Biodegradable, despite the source.



So you just KNOW this?

Everything is biodegradable.

It might take 50 years or more.

Its till longer than I want to look at some inconsiderate assholes cigarette but on the ground !
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:42:02 PM EDT
I did it once in a while when I smoked, but usually I'd use the ashtray.

Now that ashtrays in new cars are a thing of the past, what are smokers supposed to do?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:42:59 PM EDT
People have been thrown in jail for that around here. I kid you not.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:43:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Hah - no IBTP


Hah, you have no pie choice so that us non-smokers can see the results, without affecting the poll
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:44:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By wicketsurplus:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Hah - no IBTP


Hah, you have no pie choice so that us non-smokers can see the results, without affecting the poll


just hit vote without selecting an option.


You're welcome.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:44:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:
butts are biodegradable.

They are made of cotton with a bit of paper.

What is your problem again?


So is a newspaper, McDonald's bag, tissues etc etc etc... should we start throwing them out of the window too?
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:45:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TC6969:
Originally Posted By rangermonroe:


http://www.azom.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1461


Source

Commercially, cellulose acetate is made from processed wood pulp. The pulp is processed using acetic anhydride to form acetate flake from which products are made.

Coming from wood pulp, means that unlike most man-made fibres, it comes from a renewable resource and is biodegradable.

Another technique for producing cellulose acetate involved treating cotton with acetic acid, using sulfuric acid as a catalyst.



Biodegradable, despite the source.



So you just KNOW this?

Everything is biodegradable.

It might take 50 years or more.

Its till longer than I want to look at some inconsiderate assholes cigarette but on the ground !

Yes, yes I do.

Re-read my edited post.

I agree with your hatred of litter on the ground, but quell your enthusiastic, misguided rage with knowledge.

Or, you can read the Anti-Smoking Nazi propaganda which tells you that the butt on your lawn will outlast the sun.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:46:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/9/2010 3:47:20 PM EDT by bluefalcon]
Originally Posted By wicketsurplus:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Hah - no IBTP


Hah, you have no pie choice so that us non-smokers can see the results, without affecting the poll


Damn, people still don't know they can click the vote button without selecting a response and see the poll?

ETA: damn I'm slow.
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:46:45 PM EDT
that's what i do. or just throw them on the floor matt and pick them up later
Link Posted: 9/9/2010 3:46:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Uhwarrie:
Originally Posted By avenj:
I do when riding in cars without an ashtray, which appears to be a flaw in many newer-model vehicles...

I also smoke nonfiltered cigarettes, which are entirely biodegradable and help add nutrients to the soil, thus producing that luscious greenery you folks enjoy on your trips through rural New Hampshire


Good God man! You must be one of the last dozen people in the US to do so. What is your brand? Lucky Strike, Camel?


What he's saying is he smokes pot.
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