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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:05:22 PM EDT
If you had the power to completely re-write the Constitution, what system of government would you choose?

The current system?

Dictatorship?

What would you do? I understand you can't give all the specifics here, just a rough outline will do.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:15:06 PM EDT
Everyone has these fantasies about a new government and no one has any ideas on what to do if you have the chance?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:17:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By krpind:
Everyone has these fantasies about a new government and no one has any ideas on what to do if you have the chance?


Rewrite the Constitution? no.

Get rid of Obama? yes!
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:18:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By krpind:
Everyone has these fantasies about a new government and no one has any ideas on what to do if you have the chance?


Mandatory balanced budget. In time of war I would just increase taxes. We could still argue over everything but everything would be paid for at the end of the fiscal year.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:19:42 PM EDT
I'd stipulate somewhere in there that a future Emancipation Proclamation would be prohibited.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:21:26 PM EDT
Term limits for congress critters & both parents must be US citizens for birthright unless immediate family is involved in immigration together.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:22:39 PM EDT
I would copy it, each and every comma, but after the second amendment I would add "shall not be infringed, is that underfuckingstood?"

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Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:23:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 8:23:20 PM EDT by _DR]

I would put it back to the way it was during the the antebellum period.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:25:06 PM EDT
The problem isn't with the Constitution. I have a problem with the CFR.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:25:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By South_Side_Shooter:
Term limits for congress critters & both parents must be US citizens for birthright unless immediate family is involved in immigration together.


That would certainly have helped keep our nation a rural backwater that couldn't protect itself or its interests.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:25:28 PM EDT
"All able bodied law abiding citizens of sound mind and body shall be required to own and carry guns for self defense. Anyone who doesn't like this shall take a flying fuck."

That would be in the preamble someplace.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:26:42 PM EDT
I'm good with the constitution, but the bill of rights needs some clarification. Reword the 2nd and possibly parts of the 1st.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:26:52 PM EDT
Re-write the 2nd Amendment to guarantee nationwide carry, and that 922(o) is void.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:28:15 PM EDT
No need to. Our gov needs to follow it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:29:55 PM EDT
I'd remove this part

promote the general Welfare


I think this would help
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:31:55 PM EDT
Taco tuesdays.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:34:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tommyrich:
I'd remove this part

promote the general Welfare


I think this would help

If you read it in the context that it was written, it works just fine. It refers to only to this;

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.




But the morans in the gov have convinced the people that it means they can do almost anything.



Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:34:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Taco tuesdays.

Finally a man with the solution.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:35:27 PM EDT
More a less the current BoR.

Congressional term limits. Two terms for all federal offices. One term appointment term limits. (ie a 2 term president will need 2 secretaries of states etc). USSC appointments are for 20 years. Federal judiciary appointments are for 10 years. Both judicial appointments are career ending appointments - no further public service is possible.

Re-inforce wording of 2A, the 4A and 1A.

Congressional districts shall be geographical contiguous with no 'buldges' to gobble votes or other gerrymandering allowed.

All federal elections shall require 5 public debates (format TBD) funded by the tax payer that will be broadcast for free on all media. Editting of non-continuious soundbites from these debates shall be illegal. Soundbites are ok, strining shit together without context isn't.

All political parties, if they chose to exist, are required to have their sub entities vote on nominees the same day.

Federal income tax that is a flat rate. 15% seems reasonable. No deductions for anything. This removes the entire gay marriage debate since the government no longer is involved in the marriage recognition business.

Balanced budget amendment.

English as the national fucking language amendment.

Anti-trust laws shall include firms that are now 'to big to fail' - if your firm is so big that it will kill the economy, you are a monopoly and will be broken up RFN ala ma bell.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:35:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DKlic6:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Taco tuesdays.

Finally a man with the solution.

What about bacon Friday?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:36:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er:

Originally Posted By DKlic6:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
Taco tuesdays.

Finally a man with the solution.

What about bacon Friday?


Bacon is the national dish amendment.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:38:57 PM EDT
I certainly don't think I can do it any better than the Founders. I don't want a new kind of government, I want the prescribed government.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:39:30 PM EDT
Elastic clause, made a bit more rigid.

_MaH
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:39:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:
If you had the power to completely re-write the Constitution, what system of government would you choose?

The current system?

Dictatorship?

What would you do? I understand you can't give all the specifics here, just a rough outline will do.
I've got some ideas.

Amendment 1: Freedom of speech: You can say any thing you want, write anything you want, make any protest or public display out of yourself that you want to unless it harms someone else. This freedom does not guarantee you that your fellow citizens will refrain from beating the shit out of you for being a douche.

Amendment 2: Guns are not to be regulated, banned, controlled or prohibited, at all, ever, for any reason whatsoever. This includes scary ones, and big ones, and ones that Al Pacino used in Heat. Don't like it? GTFO, you pussy.

Amendment 3: Free porn for everyone. Oh, and non putting soldiers in your house. They make messes.

Amendment 4: No unreasonable search or seizure of property. Don't own it? Don't touch it. Cops want a new SUV? Buy one, don't steal someone's because they got caught riding around with a lot of money. No rummaging through shit on fishing expeditions Barney Fife. This includes automobiles, because driving is a fucking right not a privilege.

Amendment 5: You have the right to shut your fucking piehole and not fuck yourself in court. Use it.

Amendment 6: You have the right to a fair and speedy public trial. If the trial doesn't get its shit in gear speedily, your meal is free. Also, if someone says you did it, you're allowed to square off with them in the pugil-stick arena.

Amendment 7: If your jury is made up of a bunch of dipshits, and it likely will be, you shall be able to say "Pass" and get a new one.

Amendment 8: No sick or weird punishments, but funny and embarrassing ones are ok. Also, Pay-Per-View proceeds of your punishment will pay the victims of your crimes.

Amendment 9: All the other shit I didn't think of fall under this.

Amendment 10: The government can't make up more shit after the fact. In fact, they can't do much of anything because people who pursue careers in government are generally dipshits.

Amendment 11: If you're from another country and break our crimes, fuck it you're going down Pablo. I don't care what your plates say.

Amendment 12: The president will be elected on the following guidelines: Does he want the job a little too much? Disqualified. Does he have funky hair? Disqualified. Ever held a real job? Maybe we'll talk. Is he from Chicago? No fucking way, bucko.

Amendment 13: No owning people, unless you got them from the parking lot at Home Depot.

Amendment 14: You're not a citizen unless you live up to these three requirements: 1. You were born here and at least one parent is a citizen. 2. You can name all 50 states and recite the words to Sweet Home Alabama. 3. You swear an oath to hate hippies forever.

Amendment 15: No treating chicks or fruits like lesser people, even if they throw like girls and can't parallel park.

Amendment 16: Income tax shall be collected at the permanent rate of 2%. This fund will pay for a badass military and free cable for everyone.

Amendment 17: Senators will be directly elected, and directly fired at any time for being douches.

Amendment 18: The prohibition of the beverage known as an Appletini.

Amendment 19: Women can vote, but only if they agree not to vote for people because of how they look or by the qualifier "Would I go out with him?".

Amendment 20: Lame ducks are prohibited. Only able-bodied ducks are permitted.

Amendment 21: Booze is fucking awesome, but so is weed and it's actually not as bad. Weed totally owns booze, and the other drugs are legal because making them illegal is only slightly worse than having a nation of dopers. Taxes collected from drugs will pay for whatever dumb shit stoned people do, like peeing on some old lady's azaleas.

Amendment 22: Presidents can only serve two terms, unless they're a smoking hot chick and we all agree we like looking at her.

Amendment 23: Washington DC can't be represented as a state, because at one point it had a mayor who smoked crack, and the morons re-elected him. That was your one chance, and you fucking blew it.

Amendment 24: You can still vote if you didn't pay your poll taxes, but if you're stupid or own a Rage Against the Machine album, sorry no dice.

Amendment 25: The voting age shall be 18 years of age, plus one year for every day of MTV you've seen.

Amendment 26: Congress can't vote itself raises. The only terms of its own service that it can vote on is what brand of coffee is in the cafeteria, and who has to clean the microwave. This shall be a Democratic representative, always. Democrats will do the trash mondays-fridays, and toilets on the weekends.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:42:55 PM EDT
I'd make it illustrated.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:43:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 8:44:46 PM EDT by victorgonzales]
id leave it exactly the same except i would remove general welfare and define interstate commerce as only a means to prevent trade wars between states.

I would also write all taxes must effect every man in equal proportion hwhich basically limits all federal taxes to an equal percentage of income. Federal government will also have no authority to tax or regulate any type of economic activity or industry. Only states can do that.

no man will be eligable for any type of benefit that another man isn't.

Id also write it to dissolve most of the federal legislature.

Our federal representation will be through the senate only. The federal senators powers will only be to write legislation not pass it. Federal legislation will then be passed down to state legislatures. 40 out of the fifty state legislatures have to pass the legislation as well as get the governors signature and THEN it also has to be signed by the president in order for it to become federal law.

So basically id strip the federal government of all power except to run the military and keep the courts to ensure the constitution is not broken.





Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:44:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By krpind:
If you had the power to completely re-write the Constitution, what system of government would you choose?

The current system?

Dictatorship?

What would you do? I understand you can't give all the specifics here, just a rough outline will do.
I've got some ideas.

Amendment 1: Freedom of speech: You can say any thing you want, write anything you want, make any protest or public display out of yourself that you want to unless it harms someone else. This freedom does not guarantee you that your fellow citizens will refrain from beating the shit out of you for being a douche.

Amendment 2: Guns are not to be regulated, banned, controlled or prohibited, at all, ever, for any reason whatsoever. This includes scary ones, and big ones, and ones that Al Pacino used in Heat. Don't like it? GTFO, you pussy.

Amendment 3: Free porn for everyone. Oh, and non putting soldiers in your house. They make messes.

Amendment 4: No unreasonable search or seizure of property. Don't own it? Don't touch it. Cops want a new SUV? Buy one, don't steal someone's because they got caught riding around with a lot of money. No rummaging through shit on fishing expeditions Barney Fife. This includes automobiles, because driving is a fucking right not a privilege.

Amendment 5: You have the right to shut your fucking piehole and not fuck yourself in court. Use it.

Amendment 6: You have the right to a fair and speedy public trial. If the trial doesn't get its shit in gear speedily, your meal is free. Also, if someone says you did it, you're allowed to square off with them in the pugil-stick arena.

Amendment 7: If your jury is made up of a bunch of dipshits, and it likely will be, you shall be able to say "Pass" and get a new one.

Amendment 8: No sick or weird punishments, but funny and embarrassing ones are ok. Also, Pay-Per-View proceeds of your punishment will pay the victims of your crimes.

Amendment 9: All the other shit I didn't think of fall under this.

Amendment 10: The government can't make up more shit after the fact. In fact, they can't do much of anything because people who pursue careers in government are generally dipshits.

Amendment 11: If you're from another country and break our crimes, fuck it you're going down Pablo. I don't care what your plates say.

Amendment 12: The president will be elected on the following guidelines: Does he want the job a little too much? Disqualified. Does he have funky hair? Disqualified. Ever held a real job? Maybe we'll talk. Is he from Chicago? No fucking way, bucko.

Amendment 13: No owning people, unless you got them from the parking lot at Home Depot.

Amendment 14: You're not a citizen unless you live up to these three requirements: 1. You were born here and at least one parent is a citizen. 2. You can name all 50 states and recite the words to Sweet Home Alabama. 3. You swear an oath to hate hippies forever.

Amendment 15: No treating chicks or fruits like lesser people, even if they throw like girls and can't parallel park.

Amendment 16: Income tax shall be collected at the permanent rate of 2%. This fund will pay for a badass military and free cable for everyone.

Amendment 17: Senators will be directly elected, and directly fired at any time for being douches.

Amendment 18: The prohibition of the beverage known as an Appletini.

Amendment 19: Women can vote, but only if they agree not to vote for people because of how they look or by the qualifier "Would I go out with him?".

Amendment 20: Lame ducks are prohibited. Only able-bodied ducks are permitted.

Amendment 21: Booze is fucking awesome, but so is weed and it's actually not as bad. Weed totally owns booze, and the other drugs are legal because making them illegal is only slightly worse than having a nation of dopers. Taxes collected from drugs will pay for whatever dumb shit stoned people do, like peeing on some old lady's azaleas.

Amendment 22: Presidents can only serve two terms, unless they're a smoking hot chick and we all agree we like looking at her.

Amendment 23: Washington DC can't be represented as a state, because at one point it had a mayor who smoked crack, and the morons re-elected him. That was your one chance, and you fucking blew it.

Amendment 24: You can still vote if you didn't pay your poll taxes, but if you're stupid or own a Rage Against the Machine album, sorry no dice.

Amendment 25: The voting age shall be 18 years of age, plus one year for every day of MTV you've seen.

Amendment 26: Congress can't vote itself raises. The only terms of its own service that it can vote on is what brand of coffee is in the cafeteria, and who has to clean the microwave. This shall be a Democratic representative, always. Democrats will do the trash mondays-fridays, and toilets on the weekends.




That is awesome.

Jefferson Swingset......that has a ring to it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:13:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 9:20:13 PM EDT by Seven-Shooter]
Mandate that the 17th amendment could not be altered from its original form.

Mandate "Australian ballots" for voting––both for people choosing their representatives, and for state legislators in choosing their senators.

Have a second clause in the 2nd clearly stipulating that the 2nd also applies to individuals. Also, mandating that people keep and maintain an acceptable military-grade armament, or pay the appropriate penalty required to arm and equip others (kinda like the Athenians in their empire, if anyone gets the analogy).

Stipulate that, except for times of war, the government was only allowed to run off of the exact revenue collected from the previous year; and that only in times of war was defecit spending allowed, and then it was prioritized to get the nation out of debt once peace was obtained––at the expense of any and all public works programs. Maybe stipulate that borrowing could only be X% of GDP at the time to keep "progressives" from taking root.

Have an amendment establishing a "fair tax" from the get-go.

An amendment stipulating that military spending could not fall below X amount of GDP, but could rise above X amount.

Have an amendment stipulating that one must pay more into the system than they benefit from it if they wish to vote.

Expressly prohibit the formation of any "administrative branches" and suchlike.

Make all "mandatory spending" be up for review every two years––no free rides.

Figure out some way to mandate that judges could not "invent" law.....still trying to figure out how this would be phrased.

Mandate that any public official or law enforcement officer suffers the maximum possible penalty for "impersonating a government official" if they cite laws that DO NOT EXIST in order to prosecute a certain action.

No "early parole"––criminal sentances are final. Period. Mandate a certain % of GDP be allocated towards funding the pursuits of law enforcement.

No slavery or secession allowed. Period.

Federal Judges who act opposite their "interviews" are removed from the bench. Period.

Any public official must produce verifiable proof of their legitimate pursuit of office, to be entered (by copy) into the public record, and readily viewed upon request.

Establish the national language as English.

Mandate that the executive branch MUST defend the sovereignty of our borders, and all people in these United States here illegally be treated as foreign invaders; if they do not wish to come into the country lawfully, it must only be surmised that their purposes are nefarious and hostile in nature, and they will be prosecuted accordingly.

No birthright citizenship unless BOTH parents are US Citizens, either by birth or through a Congressionally-determined naturalization process.

No family member within 5 degrees of separation may run for the same office as another family member has previously held.

In Congress, no person may hold more than three CONSECUTIVE terms of office (but NO TERM LIMITS).

No Congressional (or congressional-aide) exclusions may be affixed to ANY law whatsoever.

Any restrictions on rights, privileges, or firearms in an area MUST be followed by local military and law-enforcement officers. NO EXEMPTIONS.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:15:49 PM EDT
wouldn't change anything
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:16:58 PM EDT
maybe outlaw Glocks in 9mm and .40
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