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Posted: 9/7/2010 1:59:19 PM EDT
So for anyone who was wondering what tact to take on the issue of Obunghole's legitimacy/userpation of military command authority, see the following:



Courts Martial Defense of LTC Terrence Lakin




Issued September 3, 2010

World Net Daily (WND), which has been following the Lakin trial step-by-step from the beginning, is reporting – "FT. MEADE, Md. – A career officer in the U.S. Army [Col. Denise R. Lind] acting as a judge in the prosecution of Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin today ruled that the military is no place for Barak Obama's presidential eligibility to be evaluated."

According to the WND report, presiding authority Col. Denise R. Lind used the following arguments to deny LTC Lakin proper access to a defense, summarized in the following three paragraphs taken from the 40 minute long reading of her decision -

Army Col. Denise R. Lind today ruled in a hearing regarding the evidence to be allowed in the scheduled October court-martial of Lakin that he will be denied access to any of Obama's records as well as any testimony from those who may have access to the records.

With her decision, Lind mirrored a number of federal judges who have ruled on civil lawsuits over Obama's eligibility. They have without exception denied the plaintiffs' access to any requested documentation regarding the president's eligibility.

Lind ruled that it was "not relevant" for the military to be considering such claims, that the laws allegedly violated by Lakin were legitimate on their face and that the chain of command led up to the Pentagon, and that should have been sufficient for Lakin.

We find foundational flaws in Col. Lind’s decision, which Lakin’s defense team must seize upon in order to alter the current course of this trial.

 Lind’s authority is derived from the same place as LTC Lakin’s and all other members of the United States Military - from the supreme command of the office of Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States.

 Lind is attempting to use her authority under her Commander-in-Chief to break the military chain of command, isolating the Commander-in-Chief of the US Military specifically, exempting the President from his position of authority in the chain of command, without which, Lind herself has no authority to convene the Courts Martial.

 Lind then reaches outside of the US Military Justice system to the Civil Court, relying upon civil court precedent to deny Lakin any access to discovery and thereby, a proper defense guaranteed him by the US Constitution and UCMJ, Uniform Code of Military Justice. Civil Court precedent has no legal standing in a UCMJ criminal proceeding. In fact, the UCMJ is based upon the Articles of War (aka War Articles) and is a "penal system" unlike the US Justice System - as explained by Col. William Winthrop in Military Law and Precedents. As a result, precedents set in courts outside of the UCMJ are without legal standing in any UCMJ proceeding.

 

 Not even in the UCMJ can the United States government deny the accused his/her right to a trial, complete with discovery of related evidence. Yet Lind attempts to do so, under the authority derived from her Commander-in-Chief. If the chain of command is broken, then Lind herself has no authority.



Lind’s statement that the legality of the Commander-in-Chief is "not relevant" in matters of military command is false on its face. As stated in a sworn affidavit filed by LTG Thomas G. McInerney executed on August 20, 2010 – "In refusing to obey orders because of his doubts as to their legality, LTC Lakin has acted exactly as proper training dictates. – By thus stepping up to the bar, LTC Lakin is demonstrating the courage of his convictions and his bravery. - That said, it is equally essential that he be allowed access to the evidence that will prove whether he made the correct decision."






Lind attempts to break the chain of command at The Pentagon level, which she claims has no issue with the current Commander-in-Chief and that this should be good enough for Lakin. Yet she cannot break this chain of command without eliminating her own authority, and Lakin’s oath requires that he decide for himself whether or not his orders are legal, as affirmed in LTG McInerney’s sworn affidavit.


At issue is not whether or not LTC Lakin refused orders, but rather whether or not he "unlawfully" refused orders. If his orders were not "lawful," including but not limited to, emanating from a "lawful" chain of command which begins with a lawful Commander-in-Chief, then Lakin must be found NOT GUILTY of "unlawfully" refusing orders.

At the heart of the matter is whether or not his orders to deploy were "lawful."

LTC Lakin has questioned whether or not his deployment orders were "lawful" on the basis that he believes that the Commander-in-Chief from which those orders are issued, may not be "lawful," therefore making any orders from the top of military command "unlawful."

To determine whether or not Lakin is correct in his decision to refuse orders, it is paramount to discover with certainty whether or not his orders were issued by a "lawful" command.

As we know, Article II – Section I requires that only a "natural born citizen" of the United States can hold the office of President, Commander-in-Chief.

In this regard, a fatal misstep in the Lakin defense has opened the door for the illegitimate statements now being made by Col. Denise R. Lind.

LTC Lakin failed to directly assert that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT legal in his command on the basis that we know with certainty that he is not a "natural born citizen," – and that LTC Lakin is "lawfully" refusing to follow orders on this basis.

Instead, LTC Lakin only asked the "birth place" question and tied that question to whether or not Mr. Obama could and would present an official "birth certificate" proving once and for all that he was indeed born in Hawaii, making the wrong assumption that if he could and would provide proof of said birth via an official birth certificate, which has never been released to date.

The fatal error revolves around the reality that Obama’s birth place is of no consequence in the matter of his status as a "natural born citizen" eligible for high Command of the US Military under Article II – Section I of the Constitution.

Although there is no shortage of opinions on the subject of what the term "natural born citizen" means, there is no honest debate on the matter either.

Every Supreme Court Justice knows exactly what the term "natural born citizen" means, where it came from, why it exists in Article II requirements for the office of President and that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a "natural born citizen," indeed ineligible for the office he currently holds.

They know that LTC Lakin is right to "lawfully" refuse orders from an illegal Command.



We know this on the basis of the following critical facts –



The term "natural born citizen" is derived from the Law of Nations. An international treaty establishing a set of rules used to establish a "nation," the issue of nation and citizen sovereignty, and internationally recognized definitions of universal terms, including the term "natural born citizen."






The Law of Nations is specifically mentioned in the US Constitution as an enumerated power of Congress under Article I – Section VIII – Item X - "To define and punish offenses against the Law of Nations;" (Note that in the original Constitution, Law of Nations is capitalized, referring specifically to THE Law of Nations.)






From Emerich de Vattel’s 1758 book on The Law of Nations, Chapter 19 § 212. - Of the citizens and natives – Vattel establishes – "in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."






In a letter from Founder John Jay to then President of the Constitutional Convention George Washington, Jay stated - "Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen."






It was later learned that President George Washington had actually taken out Vattel’s book on the Law of Nations from the local library in order to study proper implementation of law in our newly formed nation, and never returned that book.


On the basis of known history and facts behind the Constitutional term "natural born citizen" which is based upon "natural law" explained in the Law of Nations as stated referred to in the US Constitution, the proper assertion is not at all related to the actual "birth place" of Barack Hussein Obama, II. The ongoing search for a Hawaiian birth certificate has no bearing on the subject of "natural born citizen" status for Barack Hussein Obama, II.



The only relative question is –

Was Barack Hussein Obama’s birth father a legal citizen of the United States of America at the time of his birth, no matter where in the world he may have been born?

Without a birth father who was a legal citizen of the United States at the time of his birth, Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot be a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America, he is not without divided national loyalties, and cannot serve as President of the United States or Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military as a result, creating a national security and a full blown Constitutional crisis.

According to the two autobiographical books by Barack Hussein Obama, II – his birth father is Barack Hussein Obama, a British subject at the time and a legal citizen of Kenya. According to public family history, Barack Hussein Obama was at no time in his life a legal citizen of the United States.

On this basis alone, LTC Lakin is right (and lawful) in refusing to accept orders from an illegal command. The US Constitution and the Law of Nations, upon which our sovereign nation was formed, are very clear on the matter.

As a result, the need for LTC Lakin to gain access to the Hawaiian birth records for Barack Hussein Obama, II is eliminated.

LTC Lakin need only assert the following –

On the basis of Article II – Section I of the US Constitution, supported by Article I – Section VIII – Item X concerning the Law of Nations and the term "natural born citizen," - I hereby refuse any and all illegal orders issued by the illegal Commander-in-Chief of the United States Military, President Barack Hussein Obama, on the basis that he does not meet Constitutional requirements for the office he currently holds and must further hereby demand that he be removed from office and immediately relieved of Command of the United States Military. I further assert that due to the illegal status of existing Military high Command that this Court Martial has no authority under which to proceed.

Under this assertion, there is no need for access to the birth records of Barack Hussein Obama, II, unless Mr. Obama chooses to respond by stating that Barack Hussein Obama is not his real birth father, in which case Mr. Obama is admitting to fraud during his pursuit of the Oval Office.

In the event that the UCMJ chooses to challenge the historically accurate definition of the term "natural born citizen" described herein, the US Supreme Court is the only court in the land with proper authority to rule on the true meaning of the term "natural born citizen" – as stated by the Constitutional protections that LTC Lakin has sworn a lifetime to protect and defend.

With this assertion is place, LTC Lakin does not have to prove that his assertions are true and accurate. As Commander-in-Chief, Barack Hussein Obama must prove that Lakin’s assertion is false in order to proceed with the government prosecution of LTC Lakin on the grounds that he has "unlawfully" refused orders.

In short, Mr. Obama must prove that his orders are in fact "lawful." If Obama is either unable or unwilling to do so, then LTC Lakin is in fact NOT GUILTY of "unlawfully" refusing orders.

This particular case is not about one soldier refusing deployment orders. It is about a nation allowing a precedent to stand which makes it possible for any individual with any foreign allegiance to hold the highest office in this land, with no obligation whatsoever to demonstrate or prove national loyalties before holding the office of President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief.

This case is about whether or not the US Constitution stands as the official Law of this land.

NOTE: Past challenges on the term "natural born citizen" have been improperly argued upon cases revolving around the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment relates to "immigration" and "naturalization" laws, not "natural law" used to establish "natural born citizenship" status of an individual. Therefore, any and all cases pertaining to Fourteenth Amendment arguments are moot on the matter of "natural born citizen" claims.

Researched and Prepared By:

J.B. Williams and Timothy Harrington

The United States Patriots Union, LLC

Sheridan, Wyoming

Researched and Reviewed By

The United States Bar Association


Oh, and ............ IBTL! (but please, let's keep this one legitimate and civil)

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:09:21 PM EDT
Here we go again.........


In and buckled up...
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:09:34 PM EDT
The stupid is strong with these folks.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:10:51 PM EDT
Please draw attention from Obama's legitimate failings with insane ramlbings! He'll thank you for it!
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:11:47 PM EDT

Researched and Prepared By:

J.B. Williams and Timothy Harrington

The United States Patriots Union, LLC


The Fuck???
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:12:45 PM EDT
so.......according to this the usurper, really is a usurper. I have been excited too many times by stuff like this, but I am in to see where it goes.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:13:16 PM EDT
Congratulations on delegitimizing an entire political spectrum.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:22:05 PM EDT
and we say the left is stupid and illogical

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:23:46 PM EDT
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:24:07 PM EDT
IBD_A
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:25:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


because there's a big stinking turd in his past that's going to prove his whole life story is a lie
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:31:37 PM EDT
I'm gonna have a seat over here............>


Paging Dave A, please complete this utter mystery for us
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:46:27 PM EDT
I wish the LTC the very best in defending his position. He has balls of steel to risk his career and honor over this taboo subject. If more servicemembers would take the same stand as the LTC that would pretty much force obama to 'walk around with his birth certificate plastered to his forehead'. Which he probably would be unable to do.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:53:43 PM EDT
Ok, if he is good to go as the potUS, fine. Now, please explain his Communist upbringing and idiotic actions as potUS.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:00:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:05:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
and we say the left is stupid and illogical



I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.



Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:06:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


well here's the thing, do you think that the 25% voting block of the dems that the AAs represent would have voted for her after she knocked their candidate out of the race on a "technicality"? without them pulling the lever for her even mccain would have won.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:07:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deros:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
and we say the left is stupid and illogical



I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.



I'm not sure where my BC is. Therefore, I'm from Africa too.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:16:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 3:18:17 PM EDT by EndofGoogle]
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


well here's the thing, do you think that the 25% voting block of the dems that the AAs represent would have voted for her after she knocked their candidate out of the race on a "technicality"? without them pulling the lever for her even mccain would have won.


Funny, then why didn't McCain and Palin bring this up? Hell, explain why every republican senate and house member (barring maybe a handful who backpedal in 12hrs) look at birthers as if they have 4 heads when they start shrieking at town halls? If there was a salt of truth to this they would have jumped on it the way they jumped on the Clinton BJ scandal. When Karl Rove is telling the party to throw birthers under the bus and Glenn Beck is mocking them on air you know you've screwed up.


Also, I'm shocked people are supporting a military surgeon who's leaving soldiers to bleed out in Afghanistan just to pursue stardom among the tinfoil crowd.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:17:36 PM EDT
Funny thing, If i present my BC on two separate occasions, they will be identical, why arent Obama's? And who has two different legit certs anyway
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:28:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


And the traction they've gotten from the the whack jobs is worth well over that 1.2M.

And that's the answer to your stupid question.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:30:08 PM EDT
Oh for God's sakes, he's been POTUS for two years and nothing has come of this, it will not be settled until he's is well out of office, and by that time he'll probably be the head of the UN or some liberal arts university where it won't matter anymore.

It's all smoke, mirrors and misdirection right now.

Let's concentrate on making him a lame duck in a couple of months and not letting him be re-elected in 2012.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:36:24 PM EDT
It is cheaper to tell the truth, if you can afford it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:41:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Oh for God's sakes, he's been POTUS for two years and nothing has come of this, it will not be settled until he's is well out of office, and by that time he'll probably be the head of the UN or some liberal arts university where it won't matter anymore.

It's all smoke, mirrors and misdirection right now.

Let's concentrate on making him a lame duck in a couple of months and not letting him be re-elected in 2012.


Yeah, lets totally ignore the Constitution for expediency!





ANd we wonder why america is fucked!
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:44:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By EndofGoogle:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


well here's the thing, do you think that the 25% voting block of the dems that the AAs represent would have voted for her after she knocked their candidate out of the race on a "technicality"? without them pulling the lever for her even mccain would have won.


Funny, then why didn't McCain and Palin bring this up? Hell, explain why every republican senate and house member (barring maybe a handful who backpedal in 12hrs) look at birthers as if they have 4 heads when they start shrieking at town halls? If there was a salt of truth to this they would have jumped on it the way they jumped on the Clinton BJ scandal. When Karl Rove is telling the party to throw birthers under the bus and Glenn Beck is mocking them on air you know you've screwed up.


Also, I'm shocked people are supporting a military surgeon who's leaving soldiers to bleed out in Afghanistan just to pursue stardom among the tinfoil crowd.


i'm not positive mccain qualifies as a NBC under the strictest definition of the clause either. also mccain didn't really try to win. obama by his own admission is not qualified, his father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, obama admits to dual nationality. both of those are disqualifications for a NBC
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:50:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


Hillary (and Bill) have their own agendas which have nothing to do with the question of his birth. How do you know they didn't dig up something?
Her lack of response is NOT defacto proof that he is legitimate.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:52:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By EndofGoogle:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


well here's the thing, do you think that the 25% voting block of the dems that the AAs represent would have voted for her after she knocked their candidate out of the race on a "technicality"? without them pulling the lever for her even mccain would have won.


Funny, then why didn't McCain and Palin bring this up? Hell, explain why every republican senate and house member (barring maybe a handful who backpedal in 12hrs) look at birthers as if they have 4 heads when they start shrieking at town halls? If there was a salt of truth to this they would have jumped on it the way they jumped on the Clinton BJ scandal. When Karl Rove is telling the party to throw birthers under the bus and Glenn Beck is mocking them on air you know you've screwed up.


Also, I'm shocked people are supporting a military surgeon who's leaving soldiers to bleed out in Afghanistan just to pursue stardom among the tinfoil crowd.


i'm not positive mccain qualifies as a NBC under the strictest definition of the clause either. also mccain didn't really try to win. obama by his own admission is not qualified, his father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, obama admits to dual nationality. both of those are disqualifications for a NBC


Please show how having a British father disqualifies someone from being a NBC. Please also show how dual nationality (citizenship?) disqualifies someone.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 3:53:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By EndofGoogle:
Originally Posted By Fourays2:
Originally Posted By Doc_Peck:
Originally Posted By Electronrider:
To date, the Obama legal team has spent over 1.2 million dollars covering this mans tracks. While I am not an adamant truther, I still must side with them on this one. You cannot get anything about the man- private school records, any of his 3 college records, fuck, you cant even get the mans masters thesis. Why in the fuck would someone spend over a million dollars concealing himself?


Because it creates a non-issue that makes his opponents look like nut jobs. He wants there to be this cloud, that is why he brought it up the other day. He wants to get the middle of the road people to think the right wing is full of nut jobs.

My arguement against the birthers is this; Hillary Clinton was unable to dig up any proof of this. If a single piece of paper was all she needed to knock him out of the race she would be in the White House right now.

Lets stay focused on legit issues like the tanking economy, over spending, lack of jobs etc.


well here's the thing, do you think that the 25% voting block of the dems that the AAs represent would have voted for her after she knocked their candidate out of the race on a "technicality"? without them pulling the lever for her even mccain would have won.


Funny, then why didn't McCain and Palin bring this up? Hell, explain why every republican senate and house member (barring maybe a handful who backpedal in 12hrs) look at birthers as if they have 4 heads when they start shrieking at town halls? If there was a salt of truth to this they would have jumped on it the way they jumped on the Clinton BJ scandal. When Karl Rove is telling the party to throw birthers under the bus and Glenn Beck is mocking them on air you know you've screwed up.


Also, I'm shocked people are supporting a military surgeon who's leaving soldiers to bleed out in Afghanistan just to pursue stardom among the tinfoil crowd.


i'm not positive mccain qualifies as a NBC under the strictest definition of the clause either. also mccain didn't really try to win. obama by his own admission is not qualified, his father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, obama admits to dual nationality. both of those are disqualifications for a NBC


"hmmm, my conspiracy theory has holes...LET ME FILL THE HOLE WITH MORE CONSPIRACY THEORIES!!!"

Also, explain how the conservative supreme court justices have told birthers to go pound sand on more than one occasion if this issue has real merit?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 4:01:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By pavlovwolf:
It is cheaper to tell the truth, if you can afford it.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:24:07 PM EDT
I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.



I'll play.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:37:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deros:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
and we say the left is stupid and illogical



I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.



My BC was issued by the US Consulate (I was born overseas to American parents) and has neither doctor's name nor hospital name. I don't think it even has time of birth, but I can't get to it at the moment.



Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:52:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 5:53:16 PM EDT by mongo001]
If any of this sticks to the teflon idiot, I'll laugh my ass off at him and anybody that flung shit for asking. If nothing sticks, he's either that good or it's true that he somehow meets the legal definition of a citizen.

The case has too many holes and undefined's to be open and shut. I will reserve my right to doubt.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:55:26 PM EDT

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 5:57:19 PM EDT
Well, regardless of the authenticity of the of the claims against the Once, I agree that the military is not the place for the determination to be made.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:03:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:11:13 PM EDT
So LTC Lakin's supporters would say the order for me to go to PT tomorrow AM is not lawful? Please hurry so I can change my alarm.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:23:45 PM EDT
I hope these lawsuits continue.

The man is hiding something.

Except for the timing of the LTC's case, I wish him luck.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:28:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mac130:
I hope these lawsuits continue.

The man is hiding something.

Except for the timing of the LTC's case, I wish him luck.



This is not a lawsuit. This is a criminal prosecution. He is going to ruin his life.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:40:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deros:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
and we say the left is stupid and illogical



I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.





Trick question. You can't Google Obama's Birth Certificate because it hasn't been released. He released a "Certificate of Live Birth" which only specifies a birth took place. A CoLB is not recognized by the Federal Gov't as proof of citizenship, it can't even be used to obtain a US Passport. Hawaii has come under criticism from the Federal gov't over the years for the lax standards they follow in issuing these certificates. Hawaii claims their requirements are so lax because many Hawaiians are born at home, a claim not made by the Obamas. Obama's supporters have also pointed to a birth announcement printed in a local paper after he was born as proof of his citizenship, a ridiculous claim as newspapers would happily print the birth of a hybrid Martian/Beagle/Vulcan baby as long as the "paid announcement" is paid for. The birth of both my kids was printed in the Boston Globe and required nothing more than a phone call and a credit card, hardly a litmus test for the Constitutionality of my son's future qualifications to be President of the US.

Is any of this going to negate what he is doing right now? Of course not, but makes it painfully obvious the need to formalize a certification process for POTUS and to finally define what officially constitutes a "Natural Born Citizen". We'll be a stronger nation for it.

Even if Hell does freeze over and his legitimacy is thrown out, he will still have spent trillions of dollars, destroyed our economy, implemented hundreds of new taxes, and enacted thousands of pages of legislation that WILL NEVER go away. The damage cannot be undone and he will have succeeded.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:51:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sms5183:
Originally Posted By mac130:
I hope these lawsuits continue.

The man is hiding something.

Except for the timing of the LTC's case, I wish him luck.



This is not a lawsuit. This is a criminal prosecution. He is going to ruin his life.


I'm sure he calculated the risk.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:58:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mac130:
Originally Posted By sms5183:
Originally Posted By mac130:
I hope these lawsuits continue.

The man is hiding something.

Except for the timing of the LTC's case, I wish him luck.



This is not a lawsuit. This is a criminal prosecution. He is going to ruin his life.


I'm sure he calculated the risk.



Honestly I doubt it. He certainly never sought any legal counsel that had his best interest in mine.

And I still want to know if people think I need to go to PT in the morning.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 6:59:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Deros:
Originally Posted By Billmanweh:
and we say the left is stupid and illogical



I have a challenge for you.

1. Go get your birth certificate.
2. Use google images to look at Obama's birth certificate.
3. Compare.

You will notice several differences such as your birth certificate has a hospital and doctor's name. Obama's does not.

My short form certification does not have the name of the hospital where I was born nor my parents' information listed. In fact, the Asst. Town Clerk even ommitted the Registration NUmber.



Link Posted: 9/7/2010 7:20:53 PM EDT
The Osama dick-lickers are thick as fleas in this thread.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 7:20:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 7:21:29 PM EDT by iNeXile556]

Originally Posted By SnowboundinNH:

A CoLB is not recognized by the Federal Gov't as proof of citizenship, it can't even be used to obtain a US Passport.

I do not side with obama, I did not vote for obama, I wish this obama era to end very soon before my beloved country is in ruins, but I must disagree with you on this one point.

I enlisted in the military with a CoLB. I was granted a TS clearance as a military contractor with a CoLB and I did indeed obtain my US passport with a CoLB.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 7:24:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sms5183:
Originally Posted By mac130:
Originally Posted By sms5183:
Originally Posted By mac130:
I hope these lawsuits continue.

The man is hiding something.

Except for the timing of the LTC's case, I wish him luck.



This is not a lawsuit. This is a criminal prosecution. He is going to ruin his life.


I'm sure he calculated the risk.



Honestly I doubt it. He certainly never sought any legal counsel that had his best interest in mine.

And I still want to know if people think I need to go to PT in the morning.


Sounds like a good reason to skip PT tommorro to me. We would all be talking about it for days.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:48:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
The Osama dick-lickers are thick as fleas in this thread.


So by your logic Glenn Beck is a obama dick licker, right?

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34625/
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:45:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By EndofGoogle:
Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
The Osama dick-lickers are thick as fleas in this thread.


So by your logic Glenn Beck is a obama dick licker, right?

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/34625/


It sure isn't hard to get you guys to out yourselves here.

How's your hope and change doing so far?
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:53:05 AM EDT
I go with the theory that says he is white per the certificate.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:55:56 AM EDT
I dont know and dont care about what his BC says. BUT, we have the right to see it. He is the POTUS. He works for us. I think it is complete BS to hide this kind of shit when you are in control of 300 million lives.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 4:58:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gotigers:
I dont know and dont care about what his BC says. BUT, we have the right to see it. He is the POTUS. He works for us. I think it is complete BS to hide this kind of shit when you are in control of 300 million lives.

I'm way more interested in his education and any papers he's written.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:24:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By gonzo_beyondo:

Originally Posted By gotigers:
I dont know and dont care about what his BC says. BUT, we have the right to see it. He is the POTUS. He works for us. I think it is complete BS to hide this kind of shit when you are in control of 300 million lives.

I'm way more interested in his education and any papers he's written.


This, and also who funded his education.
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