You pass NACCS then you'll know what SERE is.

How do you know you are going to join the Airforce? Have you gone to MEPS yet?

You sonofabitch.




ETA. Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape. You got me un-lazy.





 

How is Navy SERE better?

Same advice I always give in these threads, talk to EVERY branch before you sign...

The air force has some very cool jobs I know some air force guys pulling some pretty crazy duties as Forward air controllers that make me jealous but you don't normally walk into that, you are selected from radio among other fields... If you are looking for that kind of work you may be disappointed. That said you will get nice facilities and quality of life in the AF but you have a good chance of being desk bound your whole career like my wife was, except for 1 IA tour to Iraq before we met

If you want the technical experience the air force is good but so is the Navy (I am partial since I am a nuke ET)

DO NOT GO IN GENERAL!!! This applies to all branches, get the job you want in writing

-Mike

I'd join tomorrow if i could be guaranteed for

It isn't, AF and Army SERE use the same syllabus and train their SERE instructors the same way.

I can't speak for Navy SERE but considering that 50% of my AF Survival School  class was composed of Navy personnel, it can't be that differant.

This thread is full of some much from non-military folks it's retarded.

SERE is a full time AFSC, and their whole job is to do nothing but train flyers.  A lot of SERE folks move on to become PJ's as the physical demands are almost equal to that of PJ's.

Being a flyer is a great start in the AF, it pays well and while traveling you make a lot in per diem, see some awesome places, and your SBR's are typically higher than that of other AFSC's.

All AF Spec-Ops jobs, PJ, CCT, Tac-P, and SERE require a lot of running, everyday expect to run at least 3 miles if not more, for your job.  That's all they do is run and workout, or go hiking...for miles.

The only way you are going to be able to use your gunsmithing is to work CATMS and that requires you to be Security Forces, and the only way you can become an AF Sniper is to also go SF.

Every PJ and Aircrew Armory is operated by the local personnel who make up a "shop" usually called DOW, and they don't do any heavy maintenance on weapons, all that is done at CATMS.

To be aircrew out of Basic expect 1 year of training plus 2-3 months MQT once you get to your base before you start flying missions by yourself.  All the Spec-Ops jobs are typically 2 years of schooling before they are mission qualified.

At 29 you had better be in the best shape you have ever thought of being in to be any USAF Spec-Ops job.  I knew a guy in basic that could do 50 pull-ups, hanging arms straight and hands forward, and I don't know if he made it.  He was also 29.

I'm sorry.

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Yeah, because you could end up getting placed in an MOS that fits you like a glove, spend 26 years doing it, and retire as an E-9.

<––- Went open contract, will retire at 26 years this winter at the rank of E-9.   Damn those open contracts!

Good luck, I've got nothing else.

don't confuse luck with skill.

Explain.

What if you hated it?
marines have a lot of skills, i am sure there is one out there that you think to yourself "damn, i would hate to do that all day"
I would hate to be stuck doing quartermaster shit.
know your strengths and control your destiny.
It worked for you, but I think you got lucky, too.
would you have made master gun (i am guessing) in a job you hated?

People need to realize the Air Force is downsizing right now, so consider yourself lucky to get any job. They're booting people who fail out of tech school instead of re-classing and whatever AFSC you don't take there's someone in line right behind you who will.  

dont get me wrong, it happens and I am happy for anyone who finds a job they fit into as well as you apparently do, they tend to perform better and train others better as well.

That said the chance of getting into a field he truly enjoys because it happens to be at the top of the "needs of the (insert branch here)" when it comes time for the .mil to decide where to put him are significantly lower than the odds of getting what he will be happy with when he makes the decision.  Guys are a dime a dozen who picked their job and are miserable but I still think there are better odds of getting a field that fits him best when he makes the choice.  I picked my job 10 years ago and I am sticking with it for 20 and I have no doubt I will have good job opportunities when I finish in the same field I enjoy now... and that feels good.  I am much happier than I would have been if I was scrubbing shitters as a striker onboard a ship fresh out of boot camp with no "A" school.

-Mike

What if you end up hating the job you were guaranteed?   Plenty of people do and you've known some of them.

Open Contracts aren't the "Big Bad Wolf" that a lot of people make them out to be.  

Guaranteed Contracts aren't the "Guarantee to happiness in the service" that a lot of people make them out to be.

In the end, it's what you do with the opportunity put before you and most of the time luck has nothing to do with it.

Edit:

Some people only have the option of an open contract due to their particular personal circumstances.

People that say "whatever you do, don't go open contract" aren't doing those folks any favors with that advice.

If you can get a guarantee for something you think you're going to be happy doing then by all means take it.  But if the choice comes down to going on an open contract and not going.  Take the open contract and serve.














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You bastards are working your ass off here at Man Ass.  All of LRS that deals with the movement of troops are the hardest working people here.  They are going around the clock.  



For obvious reasons I won't go into details, but I am impressed with how much they get done.



 

You can get a slot as a SERE instructor strait out of basic training.

I agree with you and I probably worded it poorly, I didn't take into account the fact that there aren't guaranteed contracts available for every circumstance and I shouldn't word it in a way to say you shouldn't join if you don't get a guarantee.  I still believe a contracted field increases the chances of a better career path for an individual with it and if it is possible I would strongly advise going in with a job field in writing.  

Life as a striker in the Navy is not pleasant if you go straight to sea duty, you have a pretty good chance that you will sort trash, clean toilets, or serve food without acquiring any marketable skills through your first enlistment.  I know some of those guys go on to have great careers when they find a job the fit into but it is a difficult path,  they do tend to have a better idea of the job they strike than most kids walking into the recruiter who select the same job and many are happier in the long run.

-Mike

Good Luck Jefferson!

Dang.

When I went through SERE in North Island, all the instructors were Senior NCO's, SNCO's...they were prior spec op's guys and prior aviators, what the hell is a boot going to bring besides power point and memorized syllabus?

Have the real worlders been repalced as well?

Look into SERE instructor.  It was a cross train job when I was in.  Must have a high turnover, as it was always open.  When the PJ and EOD recruiters come talk to you during basic, there's your chance for HSLD in the Air Force.  

Thanks for serving, whatever you end up doing.

Not to be an ass but if you're 29 you won't be going active duty unless your on a prior service waiver.

I'm a 3D1X7, prior 2E6X2 and I love my career field.

hahahahahaha

i was in Civil Engineering (CE) for 5 years. great career field if you like to deploy. Our guys were in charge of all sorts of important infrastructure projects. Feel free to PM me if you want more details or I can put you in touch with people still in the service in any specific CE career field

makes no sense to me either

Congrats one day when you grow up you can even join the military like the USMC

My father retired a BG in the USAF. I always made sure to call it our sister service when I was around him. We used to have some real big arguments about which was better USAF vs USMC

He started it by showing up at my graduation from Parris Island in his USAF uniform and making me and 99% of the people in attendance salute him.

Good luck, Be safe work hard and do your best to make the best of every moment that you have the privilege of serving this nation.

Until you graduate you are just a slimy civilian so be sure to let us know when you graduate. I think in USAF bootcamp and OCS they let you take several naps throughout the day, you will spend a lot of time hugging each other and getting down to the basics of how you FEEL

You also get soft serve ICE cream at least once a day.

I went through SERE why in God's name would you want to go through SERE and no you won't go through it as a boot why would you?

Sounds like you have a lot to learn about the military son. Make sure you fully research.

SERE in USAF is primarily for Aircrew.

PS asking questions like that as a boot is the quickest way to irritate your command structure. Motivated is good... goofy is not so good.

lol...you didn't read the thread, did you?

Dang Jarheads!



It wasn't soft serve and they didn't have any Rocky Road.  

Just so you know for down the road, only so much is up to you. There is a lot of timing, luck and good 'ol boy network BS in alot of the "good" jobs. Just becasue you are qualified to do something doesn't mean the AF will let you for some BS reason, or just becasue you are super in shape doesn't meant you won't jack your knee going down a flight of stairs or screw your ankle up in the woods of Camp Bullis at night by getting your foot caught in a root!


Just playing Devils Advocate herem but no matter what good luck, and remember the AF does the have best duty locations by far.

To get a job in SERE you are probably going to need to go through some courses first and become an instructor. Or go linguist when I went through SERE it is my understand and belief that most of the guys at the hotel were out of various interrogator translator units which helped make it more realistic and I guess gives them training too.

I am not up on USAF MOS firleds but I don't think they have a SERE school MOs. Most likely careerist who have been through specialized training and this is like a B billet for them.

But since I served in the military (USMC) I don't know how uniformed civilians in USAF do things.

But if they do it like the Navy/USMC they are interrogators and the other part are instructors in survival training which isn't an MOS it is almost a B billet. I was a survival/patrolling/land nav instructor at the NTA in Okinawa which is a low rent version of the more formal survival schools. We also taught a rappel master course and basic rappelling stuff for clerks and others who wanted to attend a motivational package. BORING but often funny.

awww poor baby no lunch break ROFLMAO... WTF is a lunch break? Just missing a lunch break puts you irrevocably in the rear with the gear.

Working on a flight line sounds like heaven compared to sleeping in the dirt and getting shot at and carrying your life around on your shoulders. quitcher whining about flt line works so hard. Flightline workers = pogues <snicker> lunch break hahahaha