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Posted: 9/6/2010 8:16:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:18:32 AM EDT
They clearly didn't take her ninja outfit, so she's still pretty dangerous I suppose.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:18:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 8:19:33 AM EDT by berto187]
Bet they took her sword and throwing stars too.

And that pic lets us know that she is still 'armed'.




But really, that is bullshit. Do I smell a lawsuit?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:19:50 AM EDT
More to this one.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:19:59 AM EDT
There are holes likes swiss cheese in this story....

Either way... F'd up. 12hrs for being detained? WTF
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:20:01 AM EDT
Hmm, I don't know. Hard to tell with the "facts" presented. I'm inclined to side with the homeowner.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:21:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 8:21:30 AM EDT by Kharn]
In Philly, regarding a CCW licensee? The home owner's side is correct.

Kharn
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:22:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
More to this one.

Maybe in Texas. But in Philly I'm inclined to believe reports of thuggish over-the-top behavior by the authorities.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:23:50 AM EDT
If things are presented accurately it would just be another case where the good guy's day got worse when the police showed up.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:44:35 AM EDT
Not a huge fan of Philly police.

The stories I heard from some of the marine unit guys made me go
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:45:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Another_Dude:
If things are presented accurately it would just be another case where the good guy's day got worse when the police showed up.


Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:48:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 8:48:56 AM EDT by garwj]
Well if she answered the door armed, dressed like that, in a room decorated like that, they probably thought they found a Hezbollah cell. Still isn't right.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:55:35 AM EDT
Clearly a threat to the cable guys, who had every right to access that property for the general good.

Her mental frame of mind after her loss of a child tells me she's out to get even.

Philadelphia is a safer place, now that this crazy woman has had her "heat" removed.

Happy ending in many way: cable is now installed - Police seized the gun - neighborhood is gun free.

Don't you just love a happy ending?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:56:31 AM EDT
She should be stoned for showing her bare arm. Thats the way they do it in Iran.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:58:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Another_Dude:
If things are presented accurately it would just be another case where the good guy's day got worse when the police showed up.


I read it as Wilco workers allege she pointed a gun at them and she was arrested and her firearm was seized.

Funny how we read things differently.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:59:23 AM EDT
With all these stories lately I guess the safest course of action is to never answer your door. Ever.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 8:59:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Clearly a threat to the cable guys, who had every right to access that property for the general good.

Her mental frame of mind after her loss of a child tells me she's out to get even.

Philadelphia is a safer place, now that this crazy woman has had her "heat" removed.

Happy ending in many way: cable is now installed - Police seized the gun - neighborhood is gun free.

Don't you just love a happy ending?


sarcasm, or actual communist? I cant tell.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:02:23 AM EDT
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:03:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AKsala:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Clearly a threat to the cable guys, who had every right to access that property for the general good.

Her mental frame of mind after her loss of a child tells me she's out to get even.

Philadelphia is a safer place, now that this crazy woman has had her "heat" removed.

Happy ending in many way: cable is now installed - Police seized the gun - neighborhood is gun free.

Don't you just love a happy ending?


sarcasm, or actual communist? I cant tell.


It's written to satisfy both sides of Arfcom.

The reader is left to assume his side is being represented.

Better to puzzle 6, than ganged up on by the usual 12.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:04:19 AM EDT
I usually tell the cable workers to go fuck themselves. Unless they're here for my service, they can go pound sound.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:04:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 9:10:41 AM EDT by MochaJava]
Guns of Contention: If Philly says no, Florida can say yes
Tue, Aug. 31, 2010
By Stephanie Farr
Philadelphia Daily News

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100831_Guns_of_Contention__If_Philadelphia_says_no__Florida_can_say_yes.html?viewAll=y


In the last two years, Philadelphia police have confiscated guns from at least nine men - including four security guards - who were carrying them legally, and only one of the guns has been returned, according to interviews with the men.

Eight of the men said that they were detained by police - two for 18 hours each. Two were hospitalized for diabetic issues while in custody, one of whom was handcuffed to a bed. Charges were filed against three of the men, only to be withdrawn by the District Attorney's Office.

The civil-rights unit of the City Solicitor's Office confirmed that it is handling eight such cases. Two of the men interviewed by the Daily News said that they rejected settlement offers from the city ranging from $3,500 to $7,500. One accepted a $5,000 offer.
(snip)


The whole government of Philadelphia (including the PD) ought to be disbanded––oh well, I can dream...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:06:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:

Originally Posted By AKsala:
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
Clearly a threat to the cable guys, who had every right to access that property for the general good.

Her mental frame of mind after her loss of a child tells me she's out to get even.

Philadelphia is a safer place, now that this crazy woman has had her "heat" removed.

Happy ending in many way: cable is now installed - Police seized the gun - neighborhood is gun free.

Don't you just love a happy ending?


sarcasm, or actual communist? I cant tell.


It's written to satisfy both sides of Arfcom.

The reader is left to assume his side is being represented.

Better to puzzle 6, than ganged up on by the usual 12.




bravo!

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:06:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By happycynic:
More to this one.

Exactly.

A lawsuit, but that's about it. The fact that the workers continued to work on her property eliminates any possibility that they actually felt threatened or that they had been "assaulted." Philadelphia and its cops are notoriously anti-gun/anti-CCW, and the homeowner's story is far more consistent with the known facts.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:07:13 AM EDT
One thing would be for sure, there wouldn't be any cable installer people on my property.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:08:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.

The cable workers are the homeowner's best witnesses. They stuck around. Actions speak louder than words and all that.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:09:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Btownboy:
There are holes likes swiss cheese in this story....

Either way... F'd up. 12hrs for being detained? WTF


That's about how long it will take you after arrested to get processed in and then processed out/make bail. Friend of mine was arrested and that's about how long it took to get bailed out.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:10:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By metroplex:
I usually tell the cable workers to go fuck themselves. Unless they're here for my service, they can go pound sound.


Actually, if it's on your property [any part of it] they have every right to service it as needed. If it get's into legalities, you will lose.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:14:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.


I tend to believe the lady. If the cable workers felt threatened, why did they wait three hours to call the police?

Here's what I think happened. The lady cussed out the workers for knocking on the back door and scaring her after she told them to come to the front door. It took the cable workers 3 hours to finish the job, then they called the police to get even with the lady.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:15:46 AM EDT
If she told them not to come to the back door and they did it anyway, they're trespassing. And peeking in her windows, from the back yard. Maybe that's considered acceptable in PA, but people don't do it here. You might get a gun pointed at you.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:17:54 AM EDT
Aint big city socialism/communism grand?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:18:03 AM EDT
As a law abiding citizen why do I feel safer with all these cuts going on in police departments?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:21:27 AM EDT
Philliy police do no wrong.............
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:33:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By absael:
If she told them not to come to the back door and they did it anyway, they're trespassing. And peeking in her windows, from the back yard. Maybe that's considered acceptable in PA, but people don't do it here. You might get a gun pointed at you.

Might have that happen here too.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:37:25 AM EDT
More to this one.


I'm a little inclined to agree...
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:38:19 AM EDT
Philly ehhh, she better pack up and move to Bel Air
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:38:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By berto187:

Originally Posted By absael:
If she told them not to come to the back door and they did it anyway, they're trespassing. And peeking in her windows, from the back yard. Maybe that's considered acceptable in PA, but people don't do it here. You might get a gun pointed at you.

Might have that happen here too.

But you'd better hide it, because we're not allowed to show a gun unless we're about to stop a provable threat to your life.

You just can't go around scaring people (good or bad) with a gun.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:39:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tc2k11:
Originally Posted By happycynic:
More to this one.
Exactly.
A lawsuit, but that's about it. The fact that the workers continued to work on her property eliminates any possibility that they actually felt threatened or that they had been "assaulted." Philadelphia and its cops are notoriously anti-gun/anti-CCW, and the homeowner's story is far more consistent with the known facts.


This is the best summary. Hope everything works out for this lady and her family. Not only in avoiding the false charges, but also getting a fair (large) settlement from all of this.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:53:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WayneD:
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.


I tend to believe the lady. If the cable workers felt threatened, why did they wait three hours to call the police?

Here's what I think happened. The lady cussed out the workers for knocking on the back door and scaring her after she told them to come to the front door. It took the cable workers 3 hours to finish the job, then they called the police to get even with the lady.
Thats about the way I would see it. If I was doing cable work and felt threatened by an armed homeowner, I sure as hell would stick around 3 hrs to finish the work before calling the police. The way it reads it sounds more like the cable workers got their feelings hurt and decided to screw over the lady.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:55:02 AM EDT
Those guys called the police because she pointed a gun at them. Yet the police didn't arrive for a few HOURS, during which time they CONTINUED to work in HER backyard. Why doesn't this add up?

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Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:56:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By freerider04:
Not a huge fan of Philly police.

The stories I heard from some of the marine unit guys made me go


You should come out to the burbs the cops are even worse. Why are they like that? Because they can be like that.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 9:58:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By suprmatch:
Originally Posted By freerider04:
Not a huge fan of Philly police.

The stories I heard from some of the marine unit guys made me go


You should come out to the burbs the cops are even worse. Why are they like that? Because they can be like that.



Oh I know. I was stationed in Philly for 2 years, and worked with quite a few of the area departments. Sometimes they made my head spin.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 10:20:34 AM EDT
There's a reason they put a door on the front of the house.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 10:25:39 AM EDT
always assume you are a criminal and act accordingly and you'll be fine
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 10:48:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Jacknife:

Originally Posted By WayneD:
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.


I tend to believe the lady. If the cable workers felt threatened, why did they wait three hours to call the police?

Here's what I think happened. The lady cussed out the workers for knocking on the back door and scaring her after she told them to come to the front door. It took the cable workers 3 hours to finish the job, then they called the police to get even with the lady.
Thats about the way I would see it. If I was doing cable work and felt threatened by an armed homeowner, I sure as hell would stick around 3 hrs to finish the work before calling the police. The way it reads it sounds more like the cable workers got their feelings hurt and decided to screw over the lady.



Gonna agree 100%. No way would they have stayed there and worked on if they felt threatened.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:10:54 AM EDT
Son, these people are called "Yankees," and it is very important that you never interact with them in any way if you can avoid it. If you're eating at a table in an airport and a Yankee asks if he can share the table, say "Please do!" Then, still smiling, throw your food in the trash, gather your things, and eat somewhere else.

They cannot help the way they are. They do not understand manners, or the concept of "not my business." Don't hurt them unless you must, but never get involved with them. It is a very bad idea.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:21:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Stegadeth:
Sounds like it's the word of three cable workers against one lady. They say she pointed, she says she didn't. If all she did is keep the weapon to her side, she is being railroaded. It's unfortunate for her that there were not more witnesses.


Some people I don't know show up in my yard and beating on my back door, I'm POINTING the gun at them. Even if she DID, what was wrong with that? They are unknown trespassers, she is in fear of her life until the identity of the people is established.

What exactly did she do wrong here?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:23:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MochaJava:
Guns of Contention: If Philly says no, Florida can say yes
Tue, Aug. 31, 2010
By Stephanie Farr
Philadelphia Daily News

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/homepage/20100831_Guns_of_Contention__If_Philadelphia_says_no__Florida_can_say_yes.html?viewAll=y


In the last two years, Philadelphia police have confiscated guns from at least nine men - including four security guards - who were carrying them legally, and only one of the guns has been returned, according to interviews with the men.

Eight of the men said that they were detained by police - two for 18 hours each. Two were hospitalized for diabetic issues while in custody, one of whom was handcuffed to a bed. Charges were filed against three of the men, only to be withdrawn by the District Attorney's Office.

The civil-rights unit of the City Solicitor's Office confirmed that it is handling eight such cases. Two of the men interviewed by the Daily News said that they rejected settlement offers from the city ranging from $3,500 to $7,500. One accepted a $5,000 offer.
(snip)


The whole government of Philadelphia (including the PD) ought to be disbanded––oh well, I can dream...


This would go along with my post in the other thread that "agents of the state who 100% hang their hat on 'the law" will sooner or later find themselves on the wrong side of morality".
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:27:39 AM EDT
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Not that any of this is relevant.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:30:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Son, these people are called "Yankees, blacks, muslims, women," and it is very important that you never interact with them in any way if you can avoid it. If you're eating at a table in an airport and one of them asks if they can share the table, say "Please do!" Then, still smiling, throw your food in the trash, gather your things, and eat somewhere else.

They cannot help the way they are. They do not understand manners, or the concept of "not my business." Don't hurt them unless you must, but never get involved with them. It is a very bad idea.


Yeah, you tell em Steve-Dave
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:30:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By happycynic:
More to this one.


I'd agree. She needs a lawyer.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 11:31:43 AM EDT
Is there something about her arm that is important?
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