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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:07:07 AM EDT
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16-19 is old enough to go to prison for life.. not children but adults..
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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:25:18 AM EDT
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With a name like Stacy Swallows he should be very popular in prison. Thought the same thing. This. I knew I wouldn't be the first |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:30:45 AM EDT
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i bet he was their favorite teacher and the cemetery just happened to be near his house 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:38:43 AM EDT
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With a name like Stacy Swallows he should be very popular in prison. lolz  
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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:44:39 AM EDT
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With a name like Stacy Swallows he should be very popular in prison. Exactly what I was thinking. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 10:44:40 AM EDT
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With a name like Stacy Swallows he should be very popular in prison. "You have very pretty hair, Stacy. Put on some of this lipstick." 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 11:53:06 AM EDT
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a group of eight children
Since when are 16-19 yr olds driving cars considered a group of eight children? These were punks that were getting ready to vandalize a cemetary and got caught. That's a great story about ghosts, and were just on the way out and such and "children" and such. I guess times have really changed. I interrupted a christian church vandalism and robbery in progress by some punks several years back. One of the group fled on foot and I put a round in the dirt behind him. The others fled in a getaway car. I chased and ran the perp up a blind alley. Held them in the car with hands on wheel and dash, with barrel up their nose until cops arrived. Gave them the "dirty harry" speech to settle them down. Cops took them away, said they were on the way to pick up the perp on foot, and gave me my gun back within the hour, told me to be careful. Of course there was evidence of forced entry for them to see. That's some rocket science right there. 
It worked for me, TommyT. Oh, I was the one with the ski mask, gloves, and black hoodie also. Few days afterward, the pastor and congregation of the church gave me an attaboy. They never had anymore break-ins or vandalism for the next decade (probably because of the crazy man that guards the church at night). I guess that is what counts. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 12:00:55 PM EDT
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A. dude named Stacy
B. Last name Swallows C. Stacy Swallows sounds like a porn name D. He's a teacher E. Kids gonna torture that guy |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:59:12 PM EDT
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You guys must've had some lame-ass teenage years. I am so fucking glad I grew up before kids spent all their time on the internet....we used to go out and do shit like this ALL the time. And "no" we weren't vandalizing or breaking into anything, there are lots of old abandoned cemeteries and old buildings throughout the country that kids like to get into. At worst we may have been trespassing but back then there wasn't a truckload of dumbassed internet warriors just waiting to get back online and detail their 'drawdown' story on a bunch of teenagers. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:05:19 PM EDT
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I wish I was still considered a child when I was 19....
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:08:01 PM EDT
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How does he hold 8 children teens at gun point but get 9 counts of each charge?
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:05:40 PM EDT
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It worked for me, TommyT. Oh, I was the one with the ski mask, gloves, and black hoodie also. Few days afterward, the pastor and congregation of the church gave me an attaboy. They never had anymore break-ins or vandalism for the next decade (probably because of the crazy man that guards the church at night). I guess that is what counts. I guess so. Did you get a reserved parking spot too? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:10:28 PM EDT
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Lesson Learned? Better to just shoot from a hill top. Why would you want to shoot kids in a grave yard? Convenience. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:19:46 PM EDT
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First off, 16-19 'ghost hunting' is usually an alibi for vandalism/theft/mischief in my experience Yep. But the teacher still went full retard. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:20:35 PM EDT
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RIF...
According to the information available as presented, Mr. Swallows called in a report of shots fired and informed police that he was holding several persons (suspects) at gunpoint. These persons were apparently eight teenage individuals. Despite that the only recognized number of persons held by Mr. Swallows was eight (8), there were a total of nine (9) counts of each charge. Based on the available information as presented, this is a serious WTF. It appears that a man heard gunshots, saw suspicious individuals about that same area as the reported gunfire, and therefore operated on the reasonable assumption that one or more of these persons is responsible for said shot(s). Police arrive on scene, discover him holding eight persons, and proceed to charge him with a number of counts inconsistent with the number of persons involved. W T F |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:22:40 PM EDT
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How does he hold 8 children teens at gun point but get 9 counts of each charge? Easy. He committed the offenses more than one time each. Separate times = separate offenses. As for the "shots fired", I suggest the idiot in question fired those shots and told on himself. (Or he just flat out lied to get a faster police response) You only see one mention of a gun don't you? So, how many of you chucklehead enablers are going to contribute to his defense fund? He's gonna need it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:38:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: For real... We used to go down to cemeteries and old buildings all the time. We never vandalized anything or damaged property in anyway....You guys must've had some lame-ass teenage years. I am so fucking glad I grew up before kids spent all their time on the internet....we used to go out and do shit like this ALL the time. And "no" we weren't vandalizing or breaking into anything, there are lots of old abandoned cemeteries and old buildings throughout the country that kids like to get into. At worst we may have been trespassing but back then there wasn't a truckload of dumbassed internet warriors just waiting to get back online and detail their 'drawdown' story on a bunch of teenagers. Guess according to ARFCOM, kids should just stay inside all the time and not actually go out and do things like I dunno.... live life... |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 3:39:23 PM EDT
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As for the "shots fired", I suggest the idiot in question fired those shots and told on himself. (Or he just flat out lied to get a faster police response) You only see one mention of a gun don't you? You are now insinuating that there could not be another gun because there is no mention of another gun. Which you CANNOT do with the information available as presented. The lack of information cannot prove or disprove anything. The only thing you can do is act on what is there. One can theorize all they want about whether there was or wasn't another gun, but you can't deduce anything at all from what has been given to us. Perhaps there was another firearm in play. Perhaps there wasn't. You cannot reasonably argue either point with what has been presented as FACT. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:43:48 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: For real... We used to go down to cemeteries and old buildings all the time. We never vandalized anything or damaged property in anyway....You guys must've had some lame-ass teenage years. I am so fucking glad I grew up before kids spent all their time on the internet....we used to go out and do shit like this ALL the time. And "no" we weren't vandalizing or breaking into anything, there are lots of old abandoned cemeteries and old buildings throughout the country that kids like to get into. At worst we may have been trespassing but back then there wasn't a truckload of dumbassed internet warriors just waiting to get back online and detail their 'drawdown' story on a bunch of teenagers. Guess according to ARFCOM, kids should just stay inside all the time and not actually go out and do things like I dunno.... live life... Nope. Just believe kids should be taught to respect private property lest they end up on the wrong end of a firearm. You know, someone owns those 'old buildings.' |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:48:48 AM EDT
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It do sound like one of our commandos dont it?
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:07:29 PM EDT
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Stacy Swallows Deserves A Medal, Not A Trip To Jail - And Response (10)
posted September 6, 2010 Response to: Teacher Charged With Holding Assault Rifle On "Ghost Hunting" Children Swallows Facing 8 Counts Of Aggravated Assault, False Imprisonment Please tell me we do not have liberal limp-wristed pantywaists running our Sheriff's Department. This report appears to have been written from a police report of an arrest. As such, it is simply dry facts of one side. I am waiting to see both sides. Let’s face some facts: You do not gather facts from a story, after dark, in a cemetery. You commit mischief and vandalism after dark in cemeteries. It takes no effort at all to reread stories of the scores of thousands of dollars of theft and vandalism committed upon families in cemeteries over the last several years. He yelled at them? He brandished a weapon? And how exactly to you contain a crowd who would otherwise flee a crime scene of 'their' making? Swallows deserves a medal. The judge who gets this needs to tell the families of these spoiled little brats that the parents will split the teacher's court and attorney fees. We all know what would happen if retired Judge Williams had this case down in Chattanooga. I pray Swallows gets a judge who is street smart and understands the pain of families whose graves have been desecrated. I am sick of children, gangs and the several factions of the "I know my rights” class running roughshod over civility and dignity. Children, grow up. Mr. Swallows, next time just block the gate and wait on the sheriff at the street. Then demand the sheriff pay the vandalism bill for being slow. When I was a teen, yeah back when Kennedy was President, 50 people in town would have stood in line to buy this teacher's lunch. And the kids would have been cleaning the cemetery and washing Mr. Swallows’s car for a year. Odd how we had less crime around here back then. Jim Bowman <–––– Not me. Evensville, Tn. *************************************************************************************** ETA: Stacy is a friend of mine. If he needs character references, I promise you people will be lined up around the block. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:14:27 PM EDT
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a group of eight children
Since when are 16-19 yr olds driving cars considered a group of eight children? These were punks that were getting ready to vandalize a cemetary and got caught. That's a great story about ghosts, and were just on the way out and such and "children" and such. I guess times have really changed. I interrupted a christian church vandalism and robbery in progress by some punks several years back. One of the group fled on foot and I put a round in the dirt behind him. The others fled in a getaway car. I chased and ran the perp up a blind alley. Held them in the car with hands on wheel and dash, with barrel up their nose until cops arrived. Gave them the "dirty harry" speech to settle them down. Cops took them away, said they were on the way to pick up the perp on foot, and gave me my gun back within the hour, told me to be careful. Of course there was evidence of forced entry for them to see. That's some rocket science right there.
It worked for me, TommyT. Oh, I was the one with the ski mask, gloves, and black hoodie also. Few days afterward, the pastor and congregation of the church gave me an attaboy. They never had anymore break-ins or vandalism for the next decade (probably because of the crazy man that guards the church at night). I guess that is what counts. Funny, I pictured you in a mask, tights and a cape. Was deadly force warranted in that situation? |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:21:10 PM EDT
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Quoted: a group of eight children Since when are 16-19 yr olds driving cars considered a group of eight children? These were punks that were getting ready to vandalize a cemetary and got caught. That's a great story about ghosts, and were just on the way out and such and "children" and such. I guess times have really changed. I interrupted a christian church vandalism and robbery in progress by some punks several years back. One of the group fled on foot and I put a round in the dirt behind him. The others fled in a getaway car. I chased and ran the perp up a blind alley. Held them in the car with hands on wheel and dash, with barrel up their nose until cops arrived. Gave them the "dirty harry" speech to settle them down. Cops took them away, said they were on the way to pick up the perp on foot, and gave me my gun back within the hour, told me to be careful. Of course there was evidence of forced entry for them to see. They have dude.  |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:27:57 PM EDT
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a group of eight children
Since when are 16-19 yr olds driving cars considered a group of eight children? These were punks that were getting ready to vandalize a cemetary and got caught. That's a great story about ghosts, and were just on the way out and such and "children" and such. I guess times have really changed. I interrupted a christian church vandalism and robbery in progress by some punks several years back. One of the group fled on foot and I put a round in the dirt behind him. The others fled in a getaway car. I chased and ran the perp up a blind alley. Held them in the car with hands on wheel and dash, with barrel up their nose until cops arrived. Gave them the "dirty harry" speech to settle them down. Cops took them away, said they were on the way to pick up the perp on foot, and gave me my gun back within the hour, told me to be careful. Of course there was evidence of forced entry for them to see. That's some rocket science right there.
It worked for me, TommyT. Oh, I was the one with the ski mask, gloves, and black hoodie also. Few days afterward, the pastor and congregation of the church gave me an attaboy. They never had anymore break-ins or vandalism for the next decade (probably because of the crazy man that guards the church at night). I guess that is what counts. Funny, I pictured you in a mask, tights and a cape. Was deadly force warranted in that situation? Like I said TommyT, that was decades ago. You obviously weren't even born back then.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:32:00 PM EDT
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I pass by that cemetery every day! On the way down the mountain....
Ok know that I know where you are talking about.....those people in that Area are some messed up special people..... I live on the other side of the mountain...so please dont confuse me as one of those! I saw the article on the local section of yahoo news, I shook my head and was hoping there was a better reason. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:38:43 PM EDT
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I don't want to live in a country where it's not OK to hold teenagers at gunpoint in a cemetery after dark.
"And I would have got away with it too, if it weren't for these meddling kids!" |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:42:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I pass by that cemetery every day! On the way down the mountain.... Ok know that I know where you are talking about.....those people in that Area are some messed up special people..... I live on the other side of the mountain...so please dont confuse me as one of those! I saw the article on the local section of yahoo news, I shook my head and was hoping there was a better reason. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 4:47:53 PM EDT
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RIF... According to the information available as presented, Mr. Swallows called in a report of shots fired and informed police that he was holding several persons (suspects) at gunpoint. These persons were apparently eight teenage individuals. Despite that the only recognized number of persons held by Mr. Swallows was eight (8), there were a total of nine (9) counts of each charge. Based on the available information as presented, this is a serious WTF. It appears that a man heard gunshots, saw suspicious individuals about that same area as the reported gunfire, and therefore operated on the reasonable assumption that one or more of these persons is responsible for said shot(s). Police arrive on scene, discover him holding eight persons, and proceed to charge him with a number of counts inconsistent with the number of persons involved. W T F And what if he found the gunman? He runs a high risk of negating his self defense....defense if he armed up and went out looking for trouble. You ignore the clear open and shut case of false imprisonment. Its not that I don't wish we could act like SS did, but in this day and age, it is against the law, or at least flirting with being against the law. MYOB comes to mind. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:04:50 PM EDT
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Hasn't been posted yet?
SLACKERS!  |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:09:35 PM EDT
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I pass by that cemetery every day! On the way down the mountain.... Ok know that I know where you are talking about.....those people in that Area are some messed up special people..... I live on the other side of the mountain...so please dont confuse me as one of those! I saw the article on the local section of yahoo news, I shook my head and was hoping there was a better reason. I am sure he had a really good reason, the un-gun-friendly Chattanooga media is probably painting him as evil as can be and painting ar15 as bad stuff. I am sure he had a really good reason to hold them and then call 911, only for he himself to be arrested. I know the cops are crooked in that area. In all that area including Soddy, Soddy is the worst. I hope the guy gets freed, but as the schoolteacher in GA (ringgold or Ft O, their reputations will be tarnished for forever and wont be able to teach again. The guy was stupid for holding them there with an AR, that was his bad, you cant do that in TN at least....the only reason you can pull a gun is if you are going to use it. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 5:26:49 PM EDT
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He'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!!!
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:01:36 PM EDT
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Stacy went full retard. You NEVER go full retard
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:07:49 PM EDT
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a group of eight children
Since when are 16-19 yr olds driving cars considered a group of eight children? These were punks that were getting ready to vandalize a cemetary and got caught. That's a great story about ghosts, and were just on the way out and such and "children" and such. I guess times have really changed. I interrupted a christian church vandalism and robbery in progress by some punks several years back. One of the group fled on foot and I put a round in the dirt behind him. The others fled in a getaway car. I chased and ran the perp up a blind alley. Held them in the car with hands on wheel and dash, with barrel up their nose until cops arrived. Gave them the "dirty harry" speech to settle them down. Cops took them away, said they were on the way to pick up the perp on foot, and gave me my gun back within the hour, told me to be careful. Of course there was evidence of forced entry for them to see. It starts BTW, is Stacy Swallows a name or a statement? 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:08:09 PM EDT
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He'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids!!! Beat you to it. See a few posts above
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:56:12 PM EDT
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I'm gonna bet, if this guy was a cop, the story would read much different.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 11:51:59 PM EDT
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I'm gonna bet, if this guy was a cop, the story would read much different. Huge +1 |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:27:32 AM EDT
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As for the "shots fired", I suggest the idiot in question fired those shots and told on himself. (Or he just flat out lied to get a faster police response) You only see one mention of a gun don't you? You are now insinuating that there could not be another gun because there is no mention of another gun. Which you CANNOT do with the information available as presented. The lack of information cannot prove or disprove anything. The only thing you can do is act on what is there. One can theorize all they want about whether there was or wasn't another gun, but you can't deduce anything at all from what has been given to us. Perhaps there was another firearm in play. Perhaps there wasn't. You cannot reasonably argue either point with what has been presented as FACT. My friend's father was in a similar if more serious situation where actually had to use his AR-15 and killed and wounded "kids" (they were all in their 20s) trying to shoot at and run him over with their car on his property. He stated they had fired at him with what he thought was a .22. Two people had gun residue on their hands and .22 casings were found but no gun was ever found (those not hit ran off into the bushes; they could have ditched or hidden the weapon at any time, although the police did look around). Just because no gun was found does not mean there was not a gun involved. One wonders if the cops looked around. If not it would not be a stretch for a weapon to have been ditched and then recovered later. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 12:55:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/8/2010 2:31:49 AM EDT
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The teenagers stated they were leaving and, as they traveled down Shipley Cemetery Road towards Shipley Hollow Road, they came in contact with Swallows, who parked his vehicle in the roadway blocking their travel. He displayed a rifle, pointed it at them and instructed them to stay where they were until police arrived. Yeah, that's a free trip to jail there dumbass.
Yea, only the police can hold you at gunpoint for no reason... Well at least you got it PART right. So what WAS the reason that shots were fired and a guy was holding a group of teens at gunpoint? Oh yeah - the guy thought he was Dirty Rambo. From the story it appears that the police were not holding him for taking shots. Creative call to 911 on the part of the kids if you ask me. Remember . . . first one to 911 wins. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 3:30:54 AM EDT
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Lesson Learned? Better to just shoot from a hill top. Why would you want to shoot kids in a grave yard? People get pissed when punks start vandalizing family grave yards. 
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:22:37 PM EDT
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Bond Reduced To $25,000 For Teacher Charged In Cemetery Case Hearing For Stacy Swallows Set Nov. 17 posted September 8, 2010
Prosecutor Rachel Winfrey said she met with the young people and their families and it was agreed for the lesser bond for Stacy F. Swallows, 45, who is charged with nine counts each of aggravated assault and false imprisonment. His bond had been at $180,000 and he has been at the county jail since the incident last Saturday night. Prosecutor Winfrey said deputies have thoroughly investigated the case and not found that the young people, ranging in age from 16-19, did anything wrong at the Shipley Cemetery. General Sessions Court Judge Bob Moon asked Ms. Winfrey, "Aren't some of these alleged victims 19-year-old adults?" Mrs. Winfrey indicated that at least two of them were 19 years of age. Judge Moon responded, "In that event, and based upon the information and facts contained in the arrest warrants, the issues of trespassing and contributing to the delinquency of minors could certainly be considered a criminal offense." young people at this time." Judge Moon said that, T.C.A. 46-1-313 makes it a Cass E felony for any person to "play at any game or amusement or loiter in a cemetery. The evidence may reveal that there are some criminal offenses committed by all parties in this case. We shall see." Ms. Winfrey stated that the state did not intend to bring any charges against the nine At the same time, Attorney Jerry Summers said his client may be found to be "in the right" after a hearing. A preliminary hearing in the case was delayed until Nov. 17. Judge Moon approved the lower bond. Judge Moon told Swallows he cannot possess a weapon and he must stay away from the young people. The judge said the young people must not come within three miles of Shipley Cemetery. Ms. Winfrey said some of the young people live near the cemetery, but they can take another road home. She said the young people are "from good families" and several siblings were at the cemetery. Judge Moon said Swallows has an excellent reputation, no criminal record and a good work history. He was an EMT before becoming a teacher. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:25:26 PM EDT
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Looks like he got hit with a restraining order and temporarily has to lose his guns. I can't stand that law it is incredibly stupid and grossly unjust.
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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:36:40 PM EDT
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I have a question for the cops in this thread:
Would this be a different story if the guy brandishing the rifle was the owner of the property? Because to me it seems like there definitely must have been shots fired or some other sort of threats/intimidation going on because if this guy was the property owner holding a group of 9 people at gun point I really doubt he would have gone to jail. Which in my mind means this guy had just as much business being there as the kids did, which is none. 9 vs 1 are some pretty stupid odds to put your self against, even if you have a rifle, but it might justify his actions in my mind if the kids were up to no good, provided this guy is the caretaker or has permission to be on the property. |
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Posted: 9/8/2010 7:30:50 PM EDT
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They spooked the teacher but his spirited response lol I keep reading that word around here. I like it
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Posted: 9/9/2010 3:33:10 AM EDT
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Judge is going to dismiss the case, I can see it coming.
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Posted: 9/9/2010 3:35:49 AM EDT
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I have a question for the cops in this thread: Would this be a different story if the guy brandishing the rifle was the owner of the property? Because to me it seems like there definitely must have been shots fired or some other sort of threats/intimidation going on because if this guy was the property owner holding a group of 9 people at gun point I really doubt he would have gone to jail. Which in my mind means this guy had just as much business being there as the kids did, which is none. 9 vs 1 are some pretty stupid odds to put your self against, even if you have a rifle, but it might justify his actions in my mind if the kids were up to no good, provided this guy is the caretaker or has permission to be on the property. That is going to depend on various state laws. In most states you can't pull a gun on someone for simple trespassing. From the article above, the judge does not seem to be happy the kids were not brought up on charges. I don't think this case is going to go very far. |
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Posted: 9/9/2010 3:42:37 AM EDT
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If he wanted to shoot at someone, he should have shot at his parents for naming him Stacy Swallows.
I guess they not only really wanted a girl, but they wanted a girl to grow up to be a pornstar. |
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Posted: 9/9/2010 3:51:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: As for the "shots fired", I suggest the idiot in question fired those shots and told on himself. (Or he just flat out lied to get a faster police response) You only see one mention of a gun don't you? You are now insinuating that there could not be another gun because there is no mention of another gun. Which you CANNOT do with the information available as presented. The lack of information cannot prove or disprove anything. The only thing you can do is act on what is there. One can theorize all they want about whether there was or wasn't another gun, but you can't deduce anything at all from what has been given to us. Perhaps there was another firearm in play. Perhaps there wasn't. You cannot reasonably argue either point with what has been presented as FACT. Righteous smackdown. |
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Posted: 9/9/2010 4:05:51 AM EDT
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So how are you supossed to detain a group of possible vandels if you can't use a gun, or are you just supposed to let them go and let the police try to figure out who they were later?
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Posted: 9/9/2010 4:11:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: Judge is going to dismiss the case, I can see it coming. A good Judge! .... and it appears my prediction about what kind of families the kids were from has been at least partially verified. |
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