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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:32:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:33:01 AM EDT
Is Safariland Tier 1 ?


Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:36:00 AM EDT
It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:39:06 AM EDT


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:40:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.



I'd take IIIA for $200.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:40:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:41:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 5:45:23 AM EDT by JakeThePimp]
Originally Posted By SlightlySkewed:
It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out.


Same error, mac with safari or FF.

eta or Chrome
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:42:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 5:42:55 AM EDT by HeliBoy]
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By SlightlySkewed:
It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out.


Strange.


Can't pick a size even though it tells me I am required to when I add to cart??

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:43:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 5:45:59 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:45:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 5:47:50 AM EDT by kpel308]
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:46:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:03 AM EDT
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.



I'd take IIIA for $200.


I got one and it was about that delivered - in a pizza box. In the basement and I hope to never need it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kpel308:
I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing.

Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike.

Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here!

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Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:49:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:51:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By mongo001:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.



I'd take IIIA for $200.


I got one and it was about that delivered - in a pizza box. In the basement and I hope to never need it.
That's the mark of a quality company.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:52:01 AM EDT
Link doesn't help much and it's II soft armor
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:52:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 5:56:19 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC


According to NIJ 0101.03 lvl II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there. Hirtenberger 9mm can still be had.

I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:53:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I'm not up on the latest body armor news, but IIRC Twaron and Gold-Flex are not aramid fiber Kevlar products, right?


I think you're thinking WOVEN vs. LAMINATED.

IIRC,Twaron is a woven aramid and Gold-Flex is a laminated aramid.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:53:48 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


I wore a level II for 10 years.


How much more uncomfortable is IIIA to wear?

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:56:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC


According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there.

I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though.


Which is why I got the IIIA

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:57:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:58:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


I wore a level II for 10 years.


How much more uncomfortable is IIIA to wear?



Mine is very comfy, but then again I don't wear it for 8-10 hours. I wore it maybe an hour or two on a few ocassions and tossed it back in the pizza box

If I need it, I have it and doubt I will ever need it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 5:59:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC


According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there.

I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though.


Which is why I got the IIIA



They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:00:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC


According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there.

I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though.


Which is why I got the IIIA



They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that.


No idea - I didn't check the posted link as I bought a IIIA a while ago and I am set as far as a vest goes.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:03:01 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:05:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:09:34 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:
They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that.


Galls had a vest clearance sale last year that a bunch of us bought vests.


I'll have to check them out on the web.

ETA Galls has their standard IIIA for $399, not too bad.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:05:34 AM EDT
do you have to be leo to buy from this store
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:08:56 AM EDT
Not as far as I know
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:09:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:15:55 AM EDT
what level is standard issue for most leo
what level is required to stop a rifle bullet
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:17:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:30:22 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By phil3333:
what level is standard issue for most leo
what level is required to stop a rifle bullet


You'll need to add plates to IIIA or get level III/ IV to stop most rifle.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:17:18 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:22:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By phil3333:
what level is standard issue for most leo
what level is required to stop a rifle bullet


Level II to IIIA.

You need plates to stop rifle rounds.
thanks for this thread bama we have been planning to buy some BA for awhile

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:24:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


I wore a level II for 10 years.


It doesn't matter what you were wearing for 10 years, unless you needed it. Since you didn't, you could have gone without one

I am a IIIA fan, but I also double up on the trauma packs and carry a heart rifle plate.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:24:39 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:29:25 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:32:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 6:33:37 AM EDT by Bama-Shooter]
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 6:46:32 AM EDT
It is a smoking deal. I just hate cheaping out on something that could save my life.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 7:15:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing.

Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike.

Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here!

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo?


ITAR regulations. Even common, benevolent items are considered "armaments" such as t-shirts, belts, boots, shoelaces, etc., if they come from a firm that manufactures anything military-related.

Lithium batteries, flashlights, camouflage clothing, etc., are all forbidden for export by ITAR signatories.

China, believe it or not, is NOT a signatory, therefore all the shameless Chinese copies of anything and everything military-related throughout Asia.

It's nuts, and it's cutting us out of the world economy.

We follow the rules, and put people in jail for innocuous things, but others fill the void.

Body armor is purely defensive item, but is still considered an "armament".

Dillos are manufactured by a firm that makes firearms parts and weapons, therefore the regulatory and permit-filing requirements are rather onerous.

Why get arrested if you send someone a 1913 rail keychain? Better to not do business overseas at all.

I'm serious about not being able to get a t-shirt, hat, belt, boots, batteries, or what not over here, unless they're Chinese copies. And there are PLENTY of those.

Body armor would make State apoplectic.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile

I worked for a large defense contractor, I've shipped things all over the world with and without export licenses.

Unless the item is specifically covered under ITAR regs there's no legal reason it can't be shipped.
Figuring out what is covered is not always easy but it's not restrictive based on the type of business you are in.

I have no doubt it's tough to get US companies to ship international but if they're telling you they can't ship a pair of boots because of ITAR they are blowing smoke up your butt.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:41:10 PM EDT

The link doesn't work. I'll try emailing them.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:43:07 PM EDT
Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon?
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:44:03 PM EDT
Better than nothing for that price.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:44:35 PM EDT
It would be something to wear under my Wasatch and IV plates
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 1:47:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 1:49:09 PM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon?


Link Posted: 9/6/2010 2:00:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 2:00:55 PM EDT by Zeebrahed]
Originally Posted By kpel308:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By kpel308:
I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing.

Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike.

Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here!

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile


Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo?


ITAR regulations. Even common, benevolent items are considered "armaments" such as t-shirts, belts, boots, shoelaces, etc., if they come from a firm that manufactures anything military-related.

Lithium batteries, flashlights, camouflage clothing, etc., are all forbidden for export by ITAR signatories.

China, believe it or not, is NOT a signatory, therefore all the shameless Chinese copies of anything and everything military-related throughout Asia.

It's nuts, and it's cutting us out of the world economy.

We follow the rules, and put people in jail for innocuous things, but others fill the void.

Body armor is purely defensive item, but is still considered an "armament".

Dillos are manufactured by a firm that makes firearms parts and weapons, therefore the regulatory and permit-filing requirements are rather onerous.

Why get arrested if you send someone a 1913 rail keychain? Better to not do business overseas at all.

I'm serious about not being able to get a t-shirt, hat, belt, boots, batteries, or what not over here, unless they're Chinese copies. And there are PLENTY of those.

Body armor would make State apoplectic.

Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile




I just recently wrote an article in an industry newsletter regarding ITAR regulations and processes. I have been exporting military and non military aerospace products for more than a decade and I assure you this information is incorrect. Long story short, check the USML for the items you think are controlled and I guarantee you will not find the Larue dillo there. Have you called Larue and just ordered a dillo, or are you assuming things?



Link Posted: 9/6/2010 2:09:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon?


http://i42.tinypic.com/fp77z9.jpg

So not serious.

Link Posted: 9/6/2010 2:29:21 PM EDT
If there is one thing to not go cheap on, it's body armor.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 7:00:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Evil_ATF:
Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon?


http://i42.tinypic.com/fp77z9.jpg

So not serious.

http://cjwriter.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/alien.jpg?w=291&h=370


WTF is that thing? LOL
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 7:06:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2010 7:09:23 PM EDT by sleepdr]

Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By _DR:


Level II?

I think I'd prefer IIIA.


We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC

I got in on that one, too. IIIA for around $175. Downside is that they were "low profile" and thus had incomplete side coverage, and sizing was waaaay optimistic. I'm a chest size 46 and under 200lb, and my "size 54" armor or thereabouts is a bit too snug. It works well enough, and certainly beats duct taping used Kevlar to your shirt.

It's reasonably comfortable, and snoozes nicely in its pizza box under my bed.
Link Posted: 9/6/2010 7:15:31 PM EDT
do they have it in XXXXL?
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