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Posted: 9/4/2010 1:06:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/5/2010 5:00:22 AM EDT by atxjax]
Well see what kind of BS this is. They are scrambling like roaches with the lights turned on.



DEMOCRATS PLAN POLITICAL TRIAGE TO RETAIN HOUSE

By Jeff Zeleny and Carl Hulse New York Times
Posted: 09/04/2010 07:43:22 PM PDT
Updated: 09/04/2010 07:43:22 PM PDT

WASHINGTON –– As Democrats brace for a November wave that threatens their control of the House, party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority.

In the next two weeks, Democratic leaders will review new polls and other data that show whether vulnerable incumbents have a path to victory. If not, the party is poised to redirect money to concentrate on trying to protect up to two dozen lawmakers who appear to be in the strongest position to fend off their challengers.

"We are going to have to win these races one by one," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, conceding that the party would ultimately cut loose members who had not gained ground
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With the midterm campaign entering its final two months, Democrats acknowledged that several races could quickly move out of their reach, including re-election bids by Reps. Betsy Markey of Colorado, Tom Perriello of Virginia, Mary Jo Kilroy of Ohio and Frank Kratovil Jr. of Maryland, whose districts were among the 55 Democrats won from Republicans in the last two election cycles.
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Reps. John M. Spratt Jr. of South Carolina, chairman of the Budget Committee, and Earl Pomeroy of North Dakota, who is seeking a 10th term, are among senior Democrats who have appeared to gain little ground in the summer months in the toxic political environment.

A sputtering economy and discontent with Washington have created a high sense of voter unease that has also put control of the Senate in question.

To hold the line against Republicans, the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, issued an urgent plea for members in safe districts to help their endangered colleagues by contributing money. She called out to Democrats who were delinquent on paying their party dues and instructed members with no re-election worries to tap into a combined $218 million from their campaign accounts to help save their majority.
"We need to know your commitment," Pelosi wrote to lawmakers last week in a private letter, demanding that they call her within 72 hours to explain how they plan to help.

She added, "The day after the election, we do not want to have any regrets."


A national campaign trumpeting Democratic accomplishments on health care, education and Wall Street regulation has given way to a race-by-race defensive strategy. Democratic incumbents are moving to aggressively define their Republican opponents and individualize races in an effort to inoculate themselves from the national mood.

In Missouri, Rep. Ike Skelton has rarely run hard-hitting advertisements during 34 years in office, but he sternly accuses his opponent in one of not supporting the troops. In Texas, Rep. Chet Edwards, using the word "lie" three times, accuses his rival in an advertisement of claiming that he voted in a recent election when polling records said he did not. In New Jersey, Rep. John Adler accused his challenger, also in an advertisement, of buying a donkey so he could call his house a farm and get a tax break on it.

The sharp messages underscore the decreasing array of options facing Democrats as they try to overcome the party's declining standing. It is an open question whether voters will find the back-and-forth exchanges persuasive or whether some have reached the point where they are no longer listening to Democratic messages.


Nearly four dozen Democrats are broadcasting television advertisements –– far more by Labor Day than in previous election cycles.

President Barack Obama is adding more fundraisers to his schedule, traveling to Florida and Minnesota over the next six weeks to try to build on the House Democrats' shrinking financial advantage over Republicans. Obama intends to increase his efforts to draw a contrast with Republicans as he does more campaigning in the coming weeks and tries to energize the party's core voters.

While several Democratic candidates have more money in the bank than their rivals, Democrats fear that outside Republican advocacy groups will step in and fill the gap. They are watching to see if interest groups and other constituencies increase their donations to Republicans in the hopes of winning access and influence should the House change hands.

While Democrats have all but given up hope that the political or economic climate will improve substantially before the election, they are not conceding control of the House. Several party leaders and strategists privately acknowledge that about 20 seats are already probably lost, but they believe they can build a fire wall around seats in the Northeast and in other pockets across the country where Republicans have nominated untested candidates.

The battle is boiling down to a question of mathematics and difficult decisions for Democrats. By the best-case Democratic calculation, party strategists believe that Republicans must beat about 35 sitting Democrats if the parties split 16 highly-competitive open seats and Democrats win four of five Republican seats they see as within their reach in Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois and Louisiana.
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Faced with a hostile political atmosphere, Democrats said they were trying to allow candidates to use specific conditions in their districts or flaws in the opposition to overcome the disadvantage created by a sour national mood and intense opposition to the party's congressional agenda.
"Ultimately, these races come down to a choice," said Kratovil, a freshman who represents the Eastern Shore of Maryland, where Sen. John McCain beat Obama by 18 points two years ago. "The national part of it has some impact, but I think the bigger part of it is voters looking at people and deciding who is best going to represent them."

Party leaders have ordered new polls in second-tier districts to see if Democrats in less competitive areas are suddenly vulnerable. Democrats are scouring for signs of a Republican wave, carefully watching clusters of races in Illinois, Indiana, New York, Ohio and Pennsylvania, which under a worst-case scenario could represent almost enough seats to lose the House.

"In 2008, there was this sense of hope and this sense of being able to change the world," said Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio. "A lot of that enthusiasm doesn't exist now, and I think a lot of that is a result of having been in a recession for two years."

But Democrats dismissed any suggestion that all was lost.

In some of the most conservative districts in the nation, several Democrats appear to be emerging in stronger positions, largely because Republicans nominated candidates who appear to be weaker. Even Republicans conceded that Reps. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona, Walt Minnick of Idaho and Larry Kissell of North Carolina were no longer as vulnerable as once assumed.

For all of their advantages, including new polls from districts across the country last week that showed gains, Republicans dismissed the likelihood of winning a landslide 60 seats, as some analysts have predicted. Yet even as Republican leaders sought to contain expectations, several candidates said last week that the winds were unmistakably blowing their way.

"It's getting better every week," said Mike Fitzpatrick, R-Pa., who lost a House seat in 2006 and is locked in a rematch with Rep. Patrick J. Murphy. Fitzpatrick said the environment for Democrats reminded him of what Republicans faced four years ago.
"Voters," he said, "will ultimately hold the party in power responsible."
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:09:49 PM EDT
Fuckers need to be crushed. I don't believe the Republicans will do much better, but the Dems need to be taught a lesson for their hubris. I want nothing less than to see the lot of them behind bars.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:11:52 PM EDT
I bet part of their so called firewall will be a TV smear campain using the rest of the bailout money that Obunghole has stashed away.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:13:53 PM EDT
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:17:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.


I don't know about that...I have lost a lot of faith in the American voter. The typical American will believe anything that MSN/CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC will tell them.


Stay Golden Ponyboy.


Fury.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:17:51 PM EDT
A "firewall" implies something extraordinary. I'm not sure if they can gerrymander enough districts in time to make a difference; another monster giveaway would break the bank and sink them deeper into the abyss; extending the Bush tax cuts sounds great...but everyone in the country will recognize that (actually ANY such scheme) for what it is...an act of total desperation.

I can't figure it out. If they try something good for the country, their base deserts them on election day. If they don't they get crushed anyway.

Sucks to be a libtard now.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:19:10 PM EDT

Unless they can figure out a way to not have elections in November...they're toast.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:19:18 PM EDT
I've been watching this all afternoon and searched the NYT and have come up with nothing, Drudge must have a mole at the times.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:19:58 PM EDT
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:20:28 PM EDT
Can always suspend the elections due to a disaster. The economy tanking can be classified as a disaster by Obunghole.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:20:44 PM EDT
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the American people
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:23:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?


I thought about that but there are some Dems that are relatively safe because they are moderates. If they vote for amnesty then they are gone. Don't see this scenario happening but you never know.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:25:29 PM EDT
Maybe Obama has 20,000,000 Escalades stashed away somewhere!
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:27:27 PM EDT
Other than them willfully interfering with a free election; I can't think of a single meaning for the word firewall in that context.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:28:23 PM EDT
Maybe the black pamther guys are going to hang out at polling places again
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:29:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

Unless they can figure out a way to not have elections in November...they're toast.



MARTIAL LAW








Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:30:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Warrior102:
I've been watching this all afternoon and searched the NYT and have come up with nothing, Drudge must have a mole at the times.


He has 'moles' all over the place. As do a few other folks.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:30:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?

That would be go time.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:31:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2010 1:34:10 PM EDT by The_Macallan]


Maybe the Capitol will catch fire.






Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:32:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.


on the way out they can, I imagine, figure ways and institute to set up new rules for voting that would make it difficult for the new congress to do business for the short term. That was my first thought when I saw fire wall.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:34:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

Unless they can figure out a way to not have elections in November...they're toast.



Yes, toast..... but I think that's only if we work at it, and don't quit.

'03
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:35:28 PM EDT
I don't want the republicans to win a majority in either house in November, just pick up enough seats to be right on the edge. Then take back all 3 in 12.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:36:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2010 1:37:32 PM EDT by LowBeta]
In this context a firewall would most likely be doing something to committee rules to make it harder for the new kids to take the reins. They can do that by adjusting parlimentary procedure, curtailing the ability of new Congressmen to access funds for staff and rent... a hundred petty bullshit things that in aggregate make it hard to get traction. Pretty standard stuff from both sides. heck, this sort of behavior goes back to the Pharohs.


eta: Alvin York beat my by 4 and a half minutes.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:36:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LWilde:
A "firewall" implies something extraordinary. I'm not sure if they can gerrymander enough districts in time to make a difference; another monster giveaway would break the bank and sink them deeper into the abyss; extending the Bush tax cuts sounds great...but everyone in the country will recognize that (actually ANY such scheme) for what it is...an act of total desperation.

I can't figure it out. If they try something good for the country, their base deserts them on election day. If they don't they get crushed anyway.

Sucks to be a libtard now.


Interesting that when W was elected everybody was playing a dirge for the Dems, when Barry won quite a few were stating the opposite. Glen keeps talking of a Great Awaking, I suspect that he's right. Though it's not a spiritual one, rather a political one, hopefully this one will last for more than one or two congressional cycles.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:37:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RarestRX:

Unless they can figure out a way to not have elections in November...they're toast.


I would put nothing past the Great Deceiver in the WH.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:38:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?

Good luck in getting the states to certify the voters. 2 months? Unlikely.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:38:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RarestRX:

Unless they can figure out a way to not have elections in November...they're toast.

Last report I saw showed 50 seats gained by R's in the House to be the *floor*. Some numbers are suggesting 60 and up. There are rumblings that the Senate is in play as well, not just a gain by R's but a majority.

This is going to be beyond epic. People are furious and the D's have nothing more but lousy economic news and "blame Bush" rhetoric to offer.

No place to run, no place to hide.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:39:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
I don't want the republicans to win a majority in either house in November, just pick up enough seats to be right on the edge. Then take back all 3 in 12.


I used to think that way, but I don't think America can take another 24 months of raping from Ogabe.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:43:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.


Based on MANY comments on this board, I am not so sure it's inevitable.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:45:18 PM EDT
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:47:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.

Exactly. But after the elections? Have torches and pitchforks at the ready.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:47:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Originally Posted By SoonerBorn:
I don't want the republicans to win a majority in either house in November, just pick up enough seats to be right on the edge. Then take back all 3 in 12.


I used to think that way, but I don't think America can take another 24 months of raping from Ogabe.

I understand that, but get just enough to keep anything from passing. If the republicans get a majority in either house, the dems and press are going to blame everything on them going into the '12 election trying to get Obama a second term.

I just don't want Obama to get a second term, the country will not withstand 8 years of him.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:49:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:


Maybe the Capitol will catch fire.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Reichstagsbrand.jpg/220px-Reichstagsbrand.jpg


Arson! and the perpetrator will be a conservative Republican.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:52:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?

Good luck in getting the states to certify the voters. 2 months? Unlikely.


If there is instant amnesty, there's no need to certify. Live here? You can vote.

I no longer believe that there is anything that can't happen.

Hell, 6 months ago, they were going to *deem* a bill passed in Congress.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:52:32 PM EDT
The " Firewall " the Dems speak of is Nancy Pelosi, she's promises to show more cleavage .
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:54:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
The " Firewall " the Dems speak of is Nancy Pelosi, she's promises to show more cleavage .


They said build a Fire Wall, not a Vomitorium
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:55:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TC6969:
Maybe Obama has 20,000,000 Escalades stashed away somewhere!


He just might. Goverment Motors did post their first profit in years
Seriously though, the dems are history. The only supporters they have are the people that always vote democrat becouse they hope their welfare will be increased.
My greatest hope is that the .gov handouts are slashed in the next year or two.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:57:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
Amnesty with immediate voting rights?

Good luck in getting the states to certify the voters. 2 months? Unlikely.


If there is instant amnesty, there's no need to certify. Live here? You can vote.

I no longer believe that there is anything that can't happen.

Hell, 6 months ago, they were going to *deem* a bill passed in Congress.

Voters are certified by the STATES. They cannot force that change in two months!!!!!

Think it will happen in Arizona? Texas? Doubt it.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:57:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.


Based on MANY comments on this board, I am not so sure it's inevitable.



If you believe everything that's posted on this board then you must also believe that the AWB is never going to end and that a shitty AR is worth $1200. Unfortunately for some people, the sky isn't always falling.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:58:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.


You may have hit on something there. If they can do something really big to separate themselves from obungo, reid, and pelosi and blame them for everything they may be able to pull it off. I could see an investigation or impeachment doing that for them and while I don't think they have the temerity to go after obama, I could easily see them go after reid and pelosi.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:59:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.


You may have hit on something there. If they can do something really big to separate themselves from obungo, reid, and pelosi and blame them for everything they may be able to pull it off. I could see an investigation or impeachment doing that for them and while I don't think they have the temerity to go after obama, I could easily see them go after reid and pelosi.


It would take much more than going after those two to make much of a difference, I think.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:59:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.


You may have hit on something there. If they can do something really big to separate themselves from obungo, reid, and pelosi and blame them for everything they may be able to pull it off. I could see an investigation or impeachment doing that for them and while I don't think they have the temerity to go after obama, I could easily see them go after reid and pelosi.


What are they going to go after them for? Stuff that they are all culpable for ? Kinda defeats the purpose.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:00:40 PM EDT
The "firewall" being refereed to is basically for the Dems to go completely negative in their ads in the run-up to the election. It's a marching order from the DNC that Chris Mathews slipped up and mentioned the other day. Even he conceded that's the Dems only hope as they have nothing to campaigne on.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:02:34 PM EDT
I expect more bribery bills. Social security bonus checks to shore up the aarp vote. Student loan forgiveness to shore up the middle class white guilt vote. That sort of thing.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:03:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
The "firewall" being refereed to is basically for the Dems to go completely negative in their ads in the run-up to the election. It's a marching order from the DNC that Chris Mathews slipped up and mentioned the other day. Even he conceded that's the Dems only hope as they have nothing to campaigne on.


A majority of the country hates you already, good move to go negative, alienate the rest of the country.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:04:07 PM EDT
For those who think R's could get a Senate majority, I heard recently that was mathematically impossible. I cannot speak to the accuracy of that statement - just that I heard it.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:05:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2010 2:07:34 PM EDT by Hedonist]

Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.


You may have hit on something there. If they can do something really big to separate themselves from obungo, reid, and pelosi and blame them for everything they may be able to pull it off. I could see an investigation or impeachment doing that for them and while I don't think they have the temerity to go after obama, I could easily see them go after reid and pelosi.

"an investigation or impeachment" - sounds about right.

They REALLY need a concrete wall, not just a Firewall.

ETA - whatever it is, it will be OBVIOUS.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:06:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
For those who think R's could get a Senate majority, I heard recently that was mathematically impossible. I cannot speak to the accuracy of that statement - just that I heard it.



Also, 83% of all statistics are made up.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:08:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:
For those who think R's could get a Senate majority, I heard recently that was mathematically impossible. I cannot speak to the accuracy of that statement - just that I heard it.


41+10=51
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:09:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By LARRYG:
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
At this point nothing they do can prevent the inevitable. Besides, if this plan is like any of their other plans it will suck and crash and burn in the end anyway.


Based on MANY comments on this board, I am not so sure it's inevitable.



If you believe everything that's posted on this board then you must also believe that the AWB is never going to end and that a shitty AR is worth $1200. Unfortunately for some people, the sky isn't always falling.



I am talking about the morons spouting the worn-out "ain't voting for the lesser of two evils", still with the "teach them a lesson" and always tired "I'll just stay home or vote third party" crap.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:09:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Hedonist:

Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By Merrell:
Firewall means isolating themseleves from Obungo.

They may attempt to throw zero under his own bus to save their own useless skins.


You may have hit on something there. If they can do something really big to separate themselves from obungo, reid, and pelosi and blame them for everything they may be able to pull it off. I could see an investigation or impeachment doing that for them and while I don't think they have the temerity to go after obama, I could easily see them go after reid and pelosi.

"an investigation or impeachment" - sounds about right.

They REALLY need a concrete wall, not just a Firewall.

ETA - whatever it is, it will be OBVIOUS.



Yep. An 'investigation' would permit them to say they are doing something, and of course the 'findings' of such an investigation would be after the elections, and would be 'not sufficient to do anything'

The fix is in...
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