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Posted: 9/3/2010 12:01:50 PM EDT
Don't remember ever doing this here, but......

poll coming. Plenty of other threads for discussion; just wanting a head count in this one.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:03:21 PM EDT
ibtp
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:06:24 PM EDT
IBTFB

These threads have been averaging what, about two bans per lately?

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:07:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
IBTFB

These threads have been averaging what, about two bans per lately?


Probably
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:08:20 PM EDT
Lets see who fires the first bashing shot...
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:11:05 PM EDT
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - Genesis 1:1

Creation
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:14:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 12:14:18 PM EDT by Mr_Harry]
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:15:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - Genesis 1:1

Creation

"But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female." -Mark 10:6. Which destroys the theistic evolution idea.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:15:19 PM EDT
I didn't know that September was religion month on arfcom.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:15:31 PM EDT
atheistic evolution
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:16:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose



Not as science, though.

Want to teach creation in theology class? Fine, great even.

But, keep it out of science class, because it isn't science.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:17:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cpt_Kirks:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose



Not as science, though.

Want to teach creation in theology class? Fine, great even.

But, keep it out of science class, because it isn't science.


This.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:18:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - Genesis 1:1

Creation


This
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:20:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 12:21:09 PM EDT by MRW]
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:47:05 PM EDT
ost
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:51:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - Genesis 1:1

Creation

"In the beginning, back in 1955.

Man didn't know 'bout a Rock n' Roll show, and all that jive" - Bon Scott

Evolution
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:51:58 PM EDT
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 12:57:42 PM EDT
creation
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:03:04 PM EDT
Huh...I don't really like the choices, but I chose atheistic evolution because while I do accept the possibility that the universe was created, I don't believe that this creator guided evolution actively: I think that He/it created the universe with the laws in place to allow for life to begin/evolve and stood back to watch the fun.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:03:37 PM EDT
There is no conflict between creationism and evolution.

the two can coexist.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:06:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF:
There is no conflict between creationism and evolution.

the two can coexist.

I believe that's what arowneragain means by theistic evolution.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:06:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Huh...I don't really like the choices, but I chose atheistic evolution because while I do accept the possibility that the universe was created, I don't believe that this creator guided evolution actively: I think that He/it created the universe with the laws in place to allow for life to begin/evolve and stood back to watch the fun.


I believe that if you make the rules of the game, you know the outcome of the game. Wouldn't be very entertaining, certainly.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:10:20 PM EDT
Evolution represents the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth.

There is in fact no competing scientific theory, because the preponderance of evidence so favors evolution.

Evolution is the only theory that should be taught in science classes.

My $0.02
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:10:28 PM EDT
I never expected arfcom to be so Atheist. With some of the other views expressed here on a daily basis it really shocks me. And apart from the odd troll now and again both sides seem to get along pretty well
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:15:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
I never expected arfcom to be so Atheist. With some of the other views expressed here on a daily basis it really shocks me. And apart from the odd troll now and again both sides seem to get along pretty well

Yeah well, we may not all believe in 'God and Country'

But we Damn sure believe in Country.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:17:42 PM EDT
Theistic evolution, until I find a theory that better explains the origin of the species.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:18:54 PM EDT
theistic evolution.

god created the physical universe. science helps us understand how he did it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:22:03 PM EDT
Evolution, most likely atheistic.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:23:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose


What about the other creation stories from other religions?
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:25:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:27:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose



So my tax dollars should not only be educating your kids in the three Rs, but in your religious beliefs as well?

How would you feel about your kids being taught the whole religious spectrum? Not that I have a problem with Vishnu, or Buddha, but I'm pretty sure we don't need them in the classroom.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:30:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DontShootMyDog:
Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose



So my tax dollars should not only be educating your kids in the three Rs, but in your religious beliefs as well?

How would you feel about your kids being taught the whole religious spectrum? Not that I have a problem with Vishnu, or Buddha, but I'm pretty sure we don't need them in the classroom.



If a Biologist showed up at Sunday School and tried to tell the teacher what to teach, most religious people would have a come-apart.

Funny how that works.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:34:40 PM EDT
Evolution is responsible for the diversity of species, their observed biology, the fossil record and the science of of genetics. I don't expect the theory of evolution to be much different in 500 years.


Is there a god? I guess no-one can know for sure, but when push comes to shove I say, no. Thus, I chose Atheist evolution.

FWIW I also accept the big bang theory (which creationists often confuse with evolution), as it is the best we have. With all this "dark energy", "dark matter", "dark flow" etc. I wouldn't be surprised at all if 500 years from now our views on cosmology are highly different.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:35:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 1:39:04 PM EDT by BlueJames]
Originally Posted By Enigma102083:

Originally Posted By Mr_Harry:
At the end of the day I really think it is a personal matter

I think BOTH should be taught and let each person choose


What about the other creation stories from other religions?


Too much incest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Eli%C5%A1
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:39:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 1:40:47 PM EDT by crusherdestroyer]
Creation makes me think of Eddie Izzard and his bit about god.

Originally By Eddie Izzard:
"I think on the seventh day, God was running around, going, "Oh, my God! What haven’t I…? Rwanda! I better create Rwanda! Sorry, haven’t quite done that… The Tower of Pisa! Oh, it’s leaning… Oh, shi… done! Toilets in French camping sites… there we go. English football hooligans… there we go, whatever that is… Mrs. Thatcher’s heart… there we go… oh, fuck that! I know, I’ll put a stone in, that’ll work! There we go…”

The next week, I think, people are coming back, going,
"Rwanda doesn’t work very well; infrastructure’s fucked.”

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 1:42:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 1:45:06 PM EDT by tbonifie]
Lessee...

Stephen Hawking is an idiot/genius
Richard Dawkins believes in Aliens
Christians are backwater rednecks / the only ones who know the truth
Macro-evolution is true/false
You can't prove God
Only fools don't believe in God
Only dislexics believe in Dog
There's a lizard now that used to lay eggs and is now giving live birth...
Darwin (did/did not) recant evolution at his death
The bible was written by <God/Aliens/Jewish Rednecks> (pick up to 2)
Einstein (was/was not) a believer
Creation didn't occur in 7 days, it was clearly 88
Jesus likes beans in his Chili
The earth is clearly evolved from bacon

did I miss any? I used to get into this stuff... Now I just sit back and enjoy the ride!!!

ETA: and JMB was God's prophet, clearly (even Arfcom atheists believe this)
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 2:17:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tbonifie:
Lessee...

Stephen Hawking is an idiot/genius
Richard Dawkins believes in Aliens
Christians are backwater rednecks / the only ones who know the truth
Macro-evolution is true/false
You can't prove God
Only fools don't believe in God
Only dislexics believe in Dog
There's a lizard now that used to lay eggs and is now giving live birth...
Darwin (did/did not) recant evolution at his death
The bible was written by <God/Aliens/Jewish Rednecks> (pick up to 2)
Einstein (was/was not) a believer
Creation didn't occur in 7 days, it was clearly 88
Jesus likes beans in his Chili
The earth is clearly evolved from bacon

did I miss any?


My balls hurt.

Wait, which thread is this?

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 3:56:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Znak:
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Huh...I don't really like the choices, but I chose atheistic evolution because while I do accept the possibility that the universe was created, I don't believe that this creator guided evolution actively: I think that He/it created the universe with the laws in place to allow for life to begin/evolve and stood back to watch the fun.


I believe that if you make the rules of the game, you know the outcome of the game. Wouldn't be very entertaining, certainly.


No, not at all. There are literally hundreds of billions of way things could have turned out and could still turn out, all according to the laws of physics.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:03:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By adamz:
Evolution represents the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth that excludes the possibility of a creator.



Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:04:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 4:05:57 PM EDT by Soybomb]
Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Originally Posted By adamz:
Evolution represents the best scientific explanation for the diversity of life on earth that excludes the possibility of a creator.




That would be baseless convolution, not an explanation.

Jesus likes beans in his Chili

No stronger argument has ever been made for atheism. I will worship no god that subjects man to such cruelty.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:05:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Soybomb:
Jesus likes beans in his Chili

No stronger argument has ever been made for atheism. I will worship no god that subjects man to such cruelty.


I gotta go with the J Man on this one.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:07:03 PM EDT
What? No athiestic creation option?
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:14:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 4:17:59 PM EDT by not_sure]
Originally Posted By arowneragain:
Don't remember ever doing this here, but......

poll coming. Plenty of other threads for discussion; just wanting a head count in this one.


I think your "theistic evolution" is generally referred to as "Intelligent Design".


ETA As I understand it, the creationist view is that the earth is only like 7-10 thousand years old. This has been proven false. For it to be true, the very nature of matter would have had to change over time.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:32:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By twistedLV:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
I never expected arfcom to be so Atheist. With some of the other views expressed here on a daily basis it really shocks me. And apart from the odd troll now and again both sides seem to get along pretty well

Yeah well, we may not all believe in 'God and Country'

But we Damn sure believe in Country.


I believe in God, but, I figure I could be just as happy, if not happier, in several other countries...I just happen to be in this one.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:39:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twistedLV:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
I never expected arfcom to be so Atheist. With some of the other views expressed here on a daily basis it really shocks me. And apart from the odd troll now and again both sides seem to get along pretty well

Yeah well, we may not all believe in 'God and Country'

But we Damn sure believe in Country.

DAMN RIGHT!!
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:43:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By California_Kid:

Originally Posted By SouthEndXGF:
There is no conflict between creationism and evolution.

the two can coexist.

I believe that's what arowneragain means by theistic evolution.


The concept of time, in modern physics (modern meaning since Einstein), says that time isn't a straight arrow from past to present. Physicists look at what they observe now, run the rules in reverse, and come up with theories about what the past was like. Whenever the universe was created, you could still extrapolate from the state it was in at the beginning at what it's past was like.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:44:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 4:45:01 PM EDT by commando408]
Originally Posted By ThreeMike:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" - Genesis 1:1

Creation


http://a.imageshack.us/img255/7357/ciclobiblico.jpg
You can't use the bible to justify it is true.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 4:50:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By XterraJohn:
Originally Posted By twistedLV:

Originally Posted By BlueJames:
I never expected arfcom to be so Atheist. With some of the other views expressed here on a daily basis it really shocks me. And apart from the odd troll now and again both sides seem to get along pretty well

Yeah well, we may not all believe in 'God and Country'

But we Damn sure believe in Country.


I believe in God, but, I figure I could be just as happy, if not happier, in several other countries...I just happen to be in this one.


Well then, later.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 5:20:00 PM EDT
"We thank you, Lord, for this mighty fine intelligent design"

seriously though...

creation
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 5:27:58 PM EDT
Creation.



Link Posted: 9/3/2010 5:39:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Huh...I don't really like the choices, but I chose atheistic evolution because while I do accept the possibility that the universe was created, I don't believe that this creator guided evolution actively: I think that He/it created the universe with the laws in place to allow for life to begin/evolve and stood back to watch the fun.


"you can choose not to choose....but you will still have made a choice"
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