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Posted: 9/2/2010 9:19:52 AM EDT
Couldn't have an abortion? No alcohol purchases on Sundays? Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays?

Every religious thread in here is full of peresecuted individuals decrying the tactics of "self-righteous Christians" constantly "forcing their religion" upon people. The whole idea of letting them be them and you be you seems to be responded with some story of how Christians force their views upon people.

So in YOUR life, what difference has a Christian made? What freedom of your has been curtailed by "fundies?"

BTW: This IS a serious question. I seriously can't think of one thing I wanted to do that was denied because of religion or religious people.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:23:47 AM EDT
As a Christian, I don't force my religion on anyone. Now if someone mocks my religion or asks questions, I'll engage them but otherwise, I keep to myself.

The only thing I support is ban on abortion. To me it's murder.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:24:34 AM EDT
They wouldn't let me dance....







Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:24:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:25:45 AM EDT by kaiserworks]
Judeo-Christians FORCED me to have a conscience and MAKE ME try to be a better person towards my fellow human beings... DAMN THEM! Damn them to HELL!!!!

OTOH, certain religious groups have forced me to wait in long lines, strip off clothing and get body scanned when trying to take a flight.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:25:08 AM EDT
They knocked on my door once







Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:25:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By walttx:
They knocked on my door once


How on earth did you survive?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:26:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By tireflames:
They wouldn't let me dance....

http://www.mannythemovieguy.com/images/Footloose.jpg







Bastards!

I forgot, my high school GF's grandma wouldn't let us go roller skating. It was a form of dancing and dancing was strictly prohibited by her religion.

Thats strike one God!!

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:26:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:28:54 AM EDT by The_Beer_Slayer]
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:27:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By PantherArms762:
... Can't fap in the park on Tuesdays?...BTW: This IS a serious question...

Seriously?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:27:15 AM EDT
For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:27:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:28:50 AM EDT
They turned me into a newt.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:29:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:29:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing.

I don't think that has anything to do with religion nor are the counties that only offer up 2 liquor licenses in my county. Just up to the people in charge.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:29:28 AM EDT
Blue laws, abortion, war on drugs, prostitution, trying to force creationism into schools...

Originally Posted By metalsaber:
...I don't force my religion on anyone...

You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:29:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


some places here still have them.

no kidding. Weird. They been gone from my area for about 20+yrs.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:30:26 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Partisan:
They turned me into a newt.


You get better?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:30:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:30:54 AM EDT by metalsaber]

Originally Posted By MACD:
Blue laws, abortion, war on drugs, prostitution, trying to force creationism into schools...

Originally Posted By metalsaber:
...I don't force my religion on anyone...

You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others.



War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:30:40 AM EDT
I hear many, many more Christians crying that they are persecuted than I hear non-Christians complaining about how Christians forced them to do something.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:30:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:31:42 AM EDT by kaiserworks]
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing.


There are exceptions to alcohol restrictions in places like Utah where it comes from religious traditions, but in other states like PA, the legacy for no alcohol sales on Sundays, state stores ect ect are from Democrat/Progressive big gov. regulations imposed after the repeal of prohibition in the 1930's.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:30:59 AM EDT
My Love for Christ and his Forgivness has made me Free

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:31:20 AM EDT
for the most part crickets
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:31:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MACD:
You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others.


There it is!!
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:31:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws
how long have those been gone?
some places here still have them.
no kidding. Weird. They been gone from my area for about 20+yrs.

Still going strong in Texas
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:31:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaiserworks:
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing.

There are exceptions to alcohol restrictions in places like Utah where it comes from religious traditions, but in other states like PA, the legacy for no alcohol sales on Sundays, state stores ecte ct are from Democrat/Progressive big gov. regulations imposed after the repeal of prohibition in the 1930's.

And the government just arbitrarily picked Sunday? I think not.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:31:44 AM EDT
be christian I don't care, I just don't want religion in my government, why is that so hard to understand? I swear you guys are like gays thinking you are being persecuted just stop it
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:32:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


They are gone? Someone should get in touch with the booze shops in Kansas and let 'em know.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:32:25 AM EDT
I can't buy alcohol on Sunday or on their holidays.
Their churches are allowed to play loud bells in my neighborhood.
They take up large tracts of land and don't pay tax on it, shifting the burden onto me.
They hold large writing drives and force enterainment I may want to see off the cable network or onto special pay channels.
They take up huge parcels of land with their burial grounds because they think that their god is going to raise the bodies from the earth directly, land that could be put to much better use for the community.
Their TV preachers take monetary advantage of the weak minded.
They impose their ideals of marriage on the community.
They forbid nontraditional families from adopting children based solely on their faith.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:32:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:33:00 AM EDT
Boobs on regular TV.


I cannot see them.


It's not that I really need to see boobs on TV, but rather I hate when you watch a movie on regular TV and it's all hacked to shit because of censorship.



Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:33:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


Still can't buy booze on Sunday or Christmas.


Surely that has nothing to do with religion
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:33:33 AM EDT
How about Blue Laws? On Sunday you could go to the movies or the drug store - all other shopping off limits - not just alcohol. That means despite kids football games on Saturdays you had better get all your shopping done on Saturday too, because no going to Sear's in your "Sunday Best" like the Bradys used to say.

Wiki Blue Law Link

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:34:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


some places here still have them.
We still have them here.

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:36:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:38:21 AM EDT by MACD]

Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By MACD:
Blue laws, abortion, war on drugs, prostitution, trying to force creationism into schools...

Originally Posted By metalsaber:
...I don't force my religion on anyone...

You do every time you vote for a politician that promises to impose your "values" on others.
War on Drugs and Prostitution has nothing to do with religion.

Find me a Christian that wouldn't fight lifting bans on either. Gay marriage is largely blocked by Christians.

Christian temperance movement banned alcohol leading to gangs nearly taking over the country, which gave us the NFA and a hugely powerful Federal police force.

Censorship, pornography bans, trolling GD.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:36:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By walttx:
They knocked on my door once


Would you like to talk about Jesus?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:37:10 AM EDT
Accosted me in public several times trying to "save" me , even when I participated in organized religious services on a regular basis.


So a few of them have been generally annoying to me in the past.


Yes I know it's just a minor inconvenience , but I am just answering the question asked.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:38:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:

Originally Posted By kaiserworks:
Originally Posted By TerribleTom:
For a serious answer, blue laws are about it. No alcohol on Sundays, dry counties, that sort of thing.

There are exceptions to alcohol restrictions in places like Utah where it comes from religious traditions, but in other states like PA, the legacy for no alcohol sales on Sundays, state stores ecte ct are from Democrat/Progressive big gov. regulations imposed after the repeal of prohibition in the 1930's.

And the government just arbitrarily picked Sunday? I think not.


YES. Pennsy has State run liquor stores since the end of prohibition. Keep in mind that up until the early 1980's, almost every business was closed on Sundays including places like shopping malls. Hell, alot of places when I grew up were closed Saturday AND Sunday and it wasn't because of any overt religious reasons. Having business's open 7 days a week is a fairly recent phenomena that many of the younger members here will not comprehend. State run liquor stores are not interested in customer service or convenience. Your state run DMV isn't open on Sundays is it? Is that because of religion?
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:39:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:39:13 AM EDT
Give it up.

Christian bashing is ingrained in the ARFCOM psyche...

They rage against the very beliefs and teachings the Founder Fathers held faith in, lived by and which inspired the founding documents...

In other words, ARFCOM wants its guns without even a wink and a nod toward the Judeo-Christian ethic that preserves them...

Hate God, but keep his good shit...

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:39:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 95B20:
I can't buy alcohol on Sunday or on their holidays.
Their churches are allowed to play loud bells in my neighborhood.
They take up large tracts of land and don't pay tax on it, shifting the burden onto me.
They hold large writing drives and force enterainment I may want to see off the cable network or onto special pay channels.
They take up huge parcels of land with their burial grounds because they think that their god is going to raise the bodies from the earth directly, land that could be put to much better use for the community.
Their TV preachers take monetary advantage of the weak minded.
They impose their ideals of marriage on the community.
They forbid nontraditional families from adopting children based solely on their faith.

And what better use would that be, tovarich?

It's private land - they can do with it what they wish. The USA isn't exactly running out of space.

Though I'm not a fan of blue laws or dry districts.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:39:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:41:36 AM EDT by phlegm]
I've wondered about the line between legislating morality and the fact that Christians can rightfully vote (and should vote according to their conscience like I would expect everyone else to do).

Obviously, a law by itself isn't going to make my conviction change except with regard to my desire to conform to the laws of our government. This does not mean, though, that I expect personal conviction (mine or anyone else's, religious or otherwise) to be the sole foundation for law.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:39:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


Not long enough that I can't remember...

Forced to sit through Christian prayers in public school.

My county is a dry county for liquor because of local backlash from churches.

My mother suffered through 23 years of a terrible marriage from an abusive husband because our fundamentalist preachers believe that divorce is wrong.

Our church really didn't allow dancing.

20 years of thinking I was going to burn in hell from a vengeful and fury filled god.

Constantly having to listen to the vastly religious majority in this country talk about being persecuted.

I personally could care less if you are a Christian, just leave me the fuck alone. Because I took an oath to the constitution I will defend your right to practise your faith to the extent that it does not infringe upon another person.

There many examples of Christianity that affect non-Christians. It would be naive to think there wasn't, our culture is predominately Christian.

Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:40:12 AM EDT
They raped my dog and shot my wife then burned down my house.











OK, actually I can't think of a thing. I do think many people are still pissed off over the blue laws even though they really no longer exist.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:41:24 AM EDT
Took away my right to own a gun.

Gun control in my country was pushed by the Chistians and they are a driving force in banning waeopns still.
This was beacuse they were scared of socialist revolution back in 1919.

On the other hand a evangelical good friend of mine is a total gun nut, so go figure.

I kind of whish the Christian community in my country looked more to the USA and adopted the stance that there is no shame in self defence.



Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:41:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
Originally Posted By metalsaber:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
google blue laws

how long have those been gone?


some places here still have them.

Pretty much only the south and mid-south from my experience.

And other than that I'm trying to think of what else as a Christian I've supposedly harmed others with...

Hell I pay school taxes and pay separate fees for my kids to go to Catholic School. I am basically paying for kids to go to school in the public arena without gaining any benefit (that usually gets people riled up).

I like this thread.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:41:48 AM EDT
they don't bother me. and they're fun to play with sometimes.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:42:01 AM EDT
I could buy shitloads of land, too, if I didn't pay title or property tax on it. I have to, so I can't. That means the land is not being used for its best use for the community.

Originally Posted By Fatbert:

Originally Posted By 95B20:
I can't buy alcohol on Sunday or on their holidays.
Their churches are allowed to play loud bells in my neighborhood.
They take up large tracts of land and don't pay tax on it, shifting the burden onto me.
They hold large writing drives and force enterainment I may want to see off the cable network or onto special pay channels.
They take up huge parcels of land with their burial grounds because they think that their god is going to raise the bodies from the earth directly, land that could be put to much better use for the community.
Their TV preachers take monetary advantage of the weak minded.
They impose their ideals of marriage on the community.
They forbid nontraditional families from adopting children based solely on their faith.

And what better use would that be, tovarich?

It's private land - they can do with it what they wish. The USA isn't exactly running out of space.

Though I'm not a fan of blue laws or dry districts.


Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:42:17 AM EDT
Only thing I can think of is that I live in a dry county (no liquor sales anywhere in the largest county in Arkansas) due to a very large Christian based school and University running the county !
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:42:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By iggy1337:
Took away my right to own a gun.

Gun control in my country was pushed by the Chistians and they are a driving force in banning waeopns still.
This was beacuse they were scared of socialist revolution back in 1919.

On the other hand a evangelical good friend of mine is a total gun nut, so go figure.

I kind of whish the Christian community in my country looked more to the USA and adopted the stance that there is no shame in self defence.




Regarding the gun control issue that was the fear of not only Christians but many others in Euro land throughout the early 20th century; at least that is my understanding.
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:42:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:43:17 AM EDT by Znak]
Originally Posted By MACD:
Christian temperance movement banned alcohol leading to gangs nearly taking over the country, which gave us the NFA and a hugely powerful Federal police force.


Even if that were the only negative thing "Christians" had ever done to our country, its a ****ing HUGE one...
Link Posted: 9/2/2010 9:43:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/2/2010 9:50:16 AM EDT by BigHunt]
I was blown away when I realized that there are places that forbid hunting on Sundays like Virginia!

When is the working man supposed to get his outdoor fix?

I guess they consider hunting only the sport of kings like in the old country.

Have a job and only get the weekend off?

Better hunt twice as hard Saturday.

Found a complete list of States that ban Sunday Hunting

Alabama
Connecticut
Delaware
Georgia
Maine
Maryland
New Jersey
Pennsylvania
Virginia
West Virginia

Really in these "Red" States
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