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Posted: 4/11/2002 6:24:32 PM EDT
I am getting ready to put together a comprehensive
bug out list and fill it. The reason i have not done this before is denial, you see for me to actually buy all i would need is to admit that i might really need all this stuff some day. The fact is we might need it and not have it. I'll start the list with the basics and you guys just add what ever you think is missing. You are not wasting your time i'm am going to buy all this stuff ,so help me spend some money,please. 1-comprehensive firstaid kit 2-MRE's,canteens,flour,rice 3-rifles and side arms 4-ammo,rifle and pistol,ammo pouches 5-water purification system 6-sleeping bags and tents 7-survival tools leatherman,good knives,sharpners axe,tree saw 8-two way radios 9-TP 10-flashlights and plenty of batt. 11-thremal Emer.blankets 12-water proof matches and fire starting equipment 13-cold wheather clothing 14-Trip Wire ,rope 1/8 inch nylon -500 ft 15-duffels and alice packs . . . . . .OK I know i missed alot of things so add on ,thanks. JJ |
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Find a place to go. The hills are full. My advice is that you should only bug out if there is something forcing you out (bio, radiation, chem weapons, fire).
You can easily stock up an apartment with three - four months of food and water and be ready to hole up if tshtf. This is my plan if some contagious bio weapon is released. |
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btw, go to [url]http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&q=bugout&meta=group%3Dmisc.survivalism[/url] for endless chatter on this subject.
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1.) water. if nothing else save your one litter plastic Coke bottles and wash and refill them every couple of monthes.
2.) Water purification tablets (sold at walmart in the Coleman camping supplies.) pool clorine tablets ( Sold at Walmart, pool supplies, better than bottled liquid bleach more concentrated easily transported. 3.) vetrinary Antibiotics (availible at Atwoods or other Agri oriented suppy stores in the mid west. Get the dry powdered OxyTetracycline in the Swine and poultry section. It comes in big bags cheap, Because you never know when your family cat and 50 of its friends might be dosed with Anthrax. 4.) Get one AR15 rifle or 12 gauge pump riot gun for every adult member of your close family, that has the maturity to handle such a weapon in a disaster. While people will argue endlessly over which rifle is best, there is just no substitute for owning the assault rifle of your countries military in time of disaster. Mags and parts will be much easier to find. 5.) One good quality handgun for every member of your family that has the maturity to handle one in a disaster. 9mm or better. 6.) Buy extra stuff for your first aid kit remember, most first aid kits are not put together with mass casulties in mind. extra battle dressings, extra bicarb or baking soda for electrolite replacement therapy, At least 500 to 1000 asprin, fever maint, The above mentioned Vet antibiotics in large quantity. THINK IN TERMS OF MASS CAS!!!, not of just a scraped knee. Thats just a small sample to get you going, I hope it has been of some help. |
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There are good suggestions here. [url=]http://www.jesseshuntingpage.com/survival-home-defense.html#bob[/url] *****Stolen from above website**** passport, important documents, shot records. ( item to keep separate) medicines backpack food, trail mix, Power bars, jerky, hard candy, ramen noodles, MREs etc. Minimum of 2000 calories of food with 60 grams of protein per day. 1 or 2 quart canteens, two each water, 2 gallons per person per day. coffee, tea water filter/purifier and purifying tablets like Potable Aqua pistol with 2 holsters and ammo compass, Silva Ranger is good model maps cell phone gas mask/respirator with spare filter helmet, Kevlar PASGT military ALICE harness and web belt setup. flashlight with duct tape wrapped around handle and extra batteries Nomex gloves 12 foot of parachute cord 10 feet of 1/2" rope for Swiss seat or Swiss rappel seat (for helo rescue) 2 locking carabiners (for helo rescue) handheld scanner small first aid kit cig. lighters space blanket hat with wide brim for sun shade watch with alarm rain poncho solar and hand crank powered AM/FM radio signal flares signal mirror signal whistle Multi-Purpose Tool (Leatherman), (wear on belt for quick access) cash, credit cards may not work pen, pencil and paper notebook TP survival book night rescue strobe with IR lens GPS Goggles Cold weather coat I keep all the above gear in one backpack so I can have my hands free. If you're not hip on survival techniques, toss in a Boy Scout handbook and survival guide to your "Bug Out Bag". If you don't own a sidearm, get one and learn to shoot and maintain it properly. If you have children you'll need to make them up a little pack. You won't need to duplicate all the gear like compass, GPS etc. Your best weapon is between your ears. The more info you can cram into that little pea the better your chances of surviving any scenario |
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I have read a bunch of this stuff and water and the ability to make it safe to drink is #1.
The one thing, I never see mentioned is to get ones self in reasonably good physical condition. We think up and procure all of this stuff, but how are we going to carry it all if to many years of donuts and cheeseburgers are going to go with us. I think it would be wise to ask ourselves if we really would have the strength and stamina to lug a 50 + pound pack and ammo plus a rifle. I know if I had to do it tonight, That 8 miles would fell like 50. One of these dark nights, I am going to load up my pack and harness, drive out of town and take a little hike cross country carrying what I figure will be the weight of essentials to live outdoors plus my rifle to see how far I will be able to go for starters and work up. I want to do it a night for concealment and to learn to navigate at night without the aid of a light. If the S does HTF, I think night will be the only safe time to travel in this area anyway I figure if the SHTF, vehicular travel will be greatly resticted. Fortunatly, I already live in an area of the country that is not heavily populated and would have to go less than 8 miles to get away from town. I feel the same need to keep adding to my SHTF stash, as funds allow. I just hope my wife doesnt find my duffel until I can talk it over with her or the S will hit the F. Lee |
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Aimless and everyone else,good suggestions so far, as far as weapons, we are set, we all shoot well,my wife likes the AK the rest of the family prefers AR's and we have more than enough tac shotguns,my wife is a med pro. and we all are trained in first aid and cpr.
I was combat trained in the service but that was in 72',long ago but i remember most of my training. No survival training to my regret. It's never to late to learn,and i am . Being here in new jersey i know if the S does hit the fan we will have to get out and quick before marshal law is declared,i have already set up escape routes by land and sea,i hope we will be able to get out by land if we have to go,if by sea we can do that to. thanks for the help ,keep it coming. JJ |
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Someone submitted a PDF bug out list to the SurvivalForum web site...you can download it here:
http://www.survivalforum.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=62&ttitle=Bug_Out_FAQ_[PDF] Franklin |
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Commo gear - I use FM business band as it's not common. Effective communications is always important and can make a small number of survivors much more efficient.
If the "S" is coming from the government/military don't worry about crypto as they'll break what they want, when they want, and use direction finding to narrow the area down to one 81mm mortar round. |
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Quoted: to narrow the area down to one 81mm mortar round. View Quote Maybe entrenching shovel should be added to the list above then. |
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A bottle of DEET or the like if you've got bugs in your 'hood.
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For survival stuff and BOB's go to:
Plainsman's Cabin: http://ubb.plainsmanscabin.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi and the Frugal Squirrel: http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi Lots of good information at both of these sites. Regards, Merlin |
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think light weight.
you may have to "bug out" with just the stuff on your back. AR-15, 6 loaded mags. everything else you can get from the sheeple. cars food housing can all be gotten at gunpoint and if worse comes to worse you can eat the sheeple. the only problem is good water so prepare for that. |
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BAD advice. Stealing even in a bugout is not right, also the person that you steal from may have a skill that you need to survive.
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First you have to identify what your primary threats are likely to be. In most places they will be:
1. Spikey-haired mutants. 2. Plague zombies. 3. Rogue military units. 4. Giant blood-sucking rats. 5. Servants of Gehenemoth-5. There will, of course, be other threats unique to your area. These are just the ones pretty much guaranteed to be everywhere. So, what do you need? The answer is guns and ammunition, my good man. Whether your stockpile of dental floss is large enough won't matter when a mob of spikey-haired mutants is sodomizing you to death. At a very minimum, each member of your party [b]MUST[/b] have a .308 autoloading rifle, a .223 autoloading rifle, a 12 gauge autoloading shotgun, and a .45 caliber automatic pistol. Each of these weapons must be a high capacity military style weapon. Plan on a minimum of 10,000 rounds per weapon per person per week. Spare parts packages are, accordingly, desirable. Each member should also have a big knife, a switchblade, and a pocket pistol of some description. What are the practices that will ensure your survival in The Coming Troubled Times(tm)? Shoot. Shoot your neighbors, shoot suspicious looking outsiders, shoot those gud-dam black heliocopters. Remember: Shoot first, then shoot again, then think about asking questions later. Curious about something? Recon by fire. This is TSHTF we are talking about, not some church ice cream social. |
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A mountain bike, the kind you pedal. You'll be able to carry a lot more supplies, and not have to depend on fuel, except food to keep you going.
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Quoted: Commo gear - I use FM business band as it's not common. Effective communications is always important and can make a small number of survivors much more efficient. If the "S" is coming from the government/military don't worry about crypto as they'll break what they want, when they want, and use direction finding to narrow the area down to one 81mm mortar round. View Quote Yep...check out the Yaesu FT-50. Easily modded to talk 132-512 mHz no gaps...all kinds of places to hide..plus you can stop the power down to 35mW through the menu...harder to df that kind of power. |
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Quoted: First you have to identify what your primary threats are likely to be. In most places they will be: 1. Spikey-haired mutants. 2. Plague zombies. 3. Rogue military units. 4. Giant blood-sucking rats. 5. Servants of Gehenemoth-5. There will, of course, be other threats unique to your area. These are just the ones pretty much guaranteed to be everywhere. So, what do you need? The answer is guns and ammunition, my good man. Whether your stockpile of dental floss is large enough won't matter when a mob of spikey-haired mutants is sodomizing you to death. At a very minimum, each member of your party [b]MUST[/b] have a .308 autoloading rifle, a .223 autoloading rifle, a 12 gauge autoloading shotgun, and a .45 caliber automatic pistol. Each of these weapons must be a high capacity military style weapon. Plan on a minimum of 10,000 rounds per weapon per person per week. Spare parts packages are, accordingly, desirable. Each member should also have a big knife, a switchblade, and a pocket pistol of some description. What are the practices that will ensure your survival in The Coming Troubled Times(tm)? Shoot. Shoot your neighbors, shoot suspicious looking outsiders, shoot those gud-dam black heliocopters. Remember: Shoot first, then shoot again, then think about asking questions later. Curious about something? Recon by fire. This is TSHTF we are talking about, not some church ice cream social. View Quote Everyone has overlooked the one vital element, even more important than water. Cans of beans. Discuss amongst yourselves. |
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Quoted: A mountain bike, the kind you pedal. You'll be able to carry a lot more supplies, and not have to depend on fuel, except food to keep you going. View Quote Joking about beans aside, remember also that a bike can be used to transport large amounts of cargo, as it was used by the VC. In a SHTF situation, you wouldn't want to be THAT burdened that you couldn't ride it, but the capacity is there if you need it. Having a bike is a good idea. I believe the Brits and Canadians used Bikemobile infantry, and in a country with a sophisticated road network like this, a bike, atlas, and the backroads are a good way to move around quietly when need be. |
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Sunscreen with a very high SPF, lip balm, vitamins, Fishing gear (line, floats, sinkers, hooks, possibly even a collapsible rod)
commercial snares. When it comes to starting fires, consider a propane lighter designed to light a grill. They have a major league fuel supply, and they don't heat up and burn your hand. Get the stuff designed to burn under the GI canteen heater to use for starting a fire when the fuel is wet. Consider candles instead of, or in addition to, flashlights. Some of these can burn for days and weigh less than a flashlight. The flashlight is more mobile, but a candle lantern might help there. |
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Quoted: Joking about beans aside, remember also that a bike can be used to transport large amounts of cargo, as it was used by the VC. In a SHTF situation, you wouldn't want to be THAT burdened that you couldn't ride it, but the capacity is there if you need it. Having a bike is a good idea. I believe the Brits and Canadians used Bikemobile infantry, and in a country with a sophisticated road network like this, a bike, atlas, and the backroads are a good way to move around quietly when need be. View Quote Just so you can peddle faster than the spikey-haired mutants can run. Brits, French, and Germans all used bicycle troops at one time or another up through the WWII era. If memory serves, the Japanese might have done so as well. Although the image of a battalion of French troopers peddling along, singing "Alloutte", is pretty funny, it makes sense when you realize they dismounted and fought as infantry. In the days when infantry actually got around primarily on foot, bikes were a pretty good advantage for maneuver. Now that I think about it, the image of French troops is funny no matter what they are doing. |
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A pair of .50 Desert Eagles and lots of ammo.
Everyone knows that as soon as it's time to "bugout", you might as well start shooting. Things you'll need... 1. garments made of smelly, untanned hides. 2. dune buggy, decorated with scraps of corrugated tin 3. scary skull masks 4. machetes 5. harpoon launcher, for the dune-buggy. 6. leather pants 7. googles 8. road flares, lots of road flares 9. dynamite 10. cigars And, of course..... [img]http://spas12.com/spas/anispas.gif[/img] |
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Optimum BOB Info: (Your optimum BOB contents [b]WILL VARY![/b])
I Recommend using a modular BOB System. This consists of 1: Camping backpack, and 2: Load Bearing Equipment (Belt/suspenders, etc…). On the USGI (Black) LBE I have: 2x – 1 quart SELF FILTERING canteens & 2x bottles of purification tablets. 2x – Magazine Pouch (3 mags per pouch ==180 rounds) If you can find them, get some Canadian M17 smoke grenades, or OC/CS grenades & Put them on the pouches. Nobody knows what they are, and could care less, but makes you more conspicuous. 1x – OC/CS Spray Can in a holder (Keeps people away in a non-lethal manner). 1x – Multi-plier/tool knife 1x – LARGE Buttpack with: (Sometimes use 2 buttpacks) Custom Medical Kit (See Below) Plastic Wireholder/Cuffs (For cuffing someone if necessary) Compass & Maps Matches & 2 Bic Lighters 3 large black garbage bags ziplock baggies Whistle Small Mirror Flint&Steel & Magnifying Glass (Small) Food (Trail Mix, Beans, etc., & 1 pack Ramen [salt helps when starvation kicks in]) 4x Pistol Magazines 4x Coolaid pouches with sweetener (iodine treated water tastes like SHIT, but don’t use this in your filter canteens, only in the canteen cup!) In/On the Backpack I have (three stuff sacks & misc.): 1x – AR15 separated Upper & Lower assemblies 1x – 300 rd battle pack (In BOTTOM of pack) in stuff sack 2 1x – Sleeping bag (See Townsend book reference below) in stuff sack 1 2x – Changes of clothes (Weather/Climate related choices) in stuff sack 2 2x – Changes of CoolMax exercise tights/shirt (Moisture wicking underclothes) in stuff sack 2 1x – Waterproof/windproof jacket & pants in stuff sack 2 1x – Rain Cape/Poncho in stuff sack 2 1x – Mess Kit (See Below) in stuff sack 3 1x – Tent (2 person dome w/ rain cover) & Tarp 1x – Small canister of waterproofing spray (incase tent/tarp/rain clothes leak) in stuff sack 3 1x – Winter hat/gloves (incase it gets colder) in stuff sack 2 Foods (See Townsend book for info) in stuff sack 3 Box of nails, Hatchet (with hammer side & nail remover), and an Entrenching tool Other miscellaneous things I recommend carrying: Handgun (in pocket or CCW holster) Folding knife & 1 spare pistol magazine Gloves & Hat (Continued) |
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1.) [b]Have a location[/b] to which you can "Bug Out", otherwise it's best to stay at home & hold down your "fortress". If you must bug out, take only things you KNOW how to use.
2.) [b]Go to your local library[/b] and borrow the book titled "The Backpacker's Handbook" by "Chris Townsend" (Second edition). In many respects, he knows his sh!t (even if he is a tree-hugging hippie). This is a great source of knowledge for wilderness camping/survival. Supplement this with your own "Urban Survival" gear/methods too. 3.) [b]Buy a good CAMPING/HIKING backpack.[/b] The North Face, Lowe Alpine, REI, LL Bean, all make good packs with good padded waist straps (essential). Over the years internal frames have improved so much, I swear by them. ALICE packs are good, but I have a problem with ALICE packs & USGI LBEquipment: Do you ever notice you're ALWAYS adjusting straps? They ALWAYS come loose (Unless you duct tape them). A good pack makes even the heaviest loads light. [b]TRY NOT TO PACK MORE THAN 1/3 to 1/2 YOUR BODY WEIGHT, SPINE/BACK INJURY MAY OCCUR![/b] 4.) [b]Build a CUSTOM Medical Kit.[/b] It is of no use, and is actually a weight constraint if you carry surgical tools or things you don't know how to use! I limit my medical pack to the following: 2x Gauss Rolls 2x Medical Tape 10x Bandages (Various sizes) 3x Individual Skin Burn Pads 2x Small Bottles of disinfectant/cleanser 1x Surgical Scissors & Curved Needles & Thread (Stitching Materials & Nail Clippers) In a smaller pack within the medical kit, I have: Perscription medications (Call your doctor about getting an extra month or 2 worth in advance for a camping trip or something) Soap, Shampoo, toothbrush&paste, perhaps a shaver Over the Counter drugs: Actifed, Pepto, Aleive/Advil, etc. 5.) [b]Good Sleeping Bag & Tent.[/b] The sleeping bag is critical! It can and may very well save your life. The tent isn't as necessary, but nice to have a lightweight 1 or 2 person tent to keep elements off. 6.) [b]Water Carrying Gear![/b] Without this, you'll be dead in 3-5 days. I personally carry two 1/2 gallon platypus type pouches (both integrally fit in my Eddie Bauer camping pack). I also carry a SELF FILTERING 1qt canteen, and a bottle of purification tablets. MAKE SURE you get the canteen CUP too! (Continued) |
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7.) [b]Small Mess Kit[/b] For cooking/eating, also get a small camping fork/spoon thingie, they work wonders. (Aluminum boils water faster, but stainless steel lasts longer & doesn’t taint food with the taste of metal)
8.) [b]Knives.[/b] Both a multi-plyer/tool knife, and larger knife (K-Bar is what I have). You will want to hide the K-BAR or larger knife somewhere in the pack, because liberals freak at the sight of a knife. 9.) [b]Firearms.[/b] This is VERY important! I recommend a field stripped 16” barreled AR15 tucked into your pack, and a smaller pocket pistol, like a Glock 26 in your coat pocket, or somewhere VERY quickly accessible, but NOT VISIBLE. Keep 1 pistol reload nearby… A KEL-TEC Sub 2000 would be FANTASTIC for this purpose! 10.) [b]Compass & Maps![/b] If you know of a good university or college in your area, chances are they have a geography department. I head to the library here at my university , and can find both Arial & Satellite photos, Topographic, and Street Maps of EVERY county in the state! AND I have FREE reign on copying them (in my academic department)! It is best to laminate these, and keep them with your LBE so you’re never without them! A good lensatic compass or something would work wonders for you. I also forgot to add you should also keep a small notebook/pad with you this way you will be able to take notes & log things you see/do. 11.) [b]Shelter building supplies![/b] This consists of a box (or two) of nails, a hatchet with a hammer head & nail remover on one side… Also an Entrenching tool will work wonders even in the winter. You can use these to build more durable shelters, and also to build snow-huts/caves for survival, and the like. 12.) [b]A Brain![/b] Do not go doing something stupid, don’t try a 500 mile trek with an infant & wife who are both unprepared. If this is the case, I recommend building a car-kit or something. One of those cheap $30 colored lockable trunks from target, or something filled with necessities of life. Just think thoroughly about EVERYTHING before doing it. For a smaller/lightweight BOB, I can then just grab my LBE, and I’ll have everything I need for survival on a road trip, etc… In fact, having food/water/cooking & shelter stuff with you when your car slides into the ditch in a –10 deg. F. Minnesota winter, and your lights are buried in snow, & people cannot see you… Help doesn’t arrive for hours with AAA roadside, and you’re out of luck ‘til then. Well, not if you remember to prepare yourself EVERY TIME, so that you make it a habit. My LBE setup helped tremendously when I went into the ditch last time! -iNuhBaDNayburhoodWellPreparedToFlee! |
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The C. Crane company has an AM/FM/SW/Weather radio that uses no batteries called the Freeplay Plus. It has a built-in hand crank generator or operates off an included solar panel. A must.
Baby wipes. A "survivalist" buddy of mine says they're the best thing since sliced bread. |
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