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Posted: 4/9/2002 6:53:44 AM EDT
[url]http://family.go.com/raisingkids/child/dev/expert/dony0200faguns/dony0200faguns2.html[/url]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 6:54:22 AM EDT
CRUCIAL QUESTIONS So, from now on, when you drop off your child at a friend's house to play, it's your job to ask if the parents own guns. Use a line something like this: "I'm one of those really nervous parents. I just have to ask . . ." • Do you have a gun in your house? • Where do you keep it? • How is it secured? • Do your children know of your gun? • What would you do if you heard an intruder? Somehow every parent needs to muster up the courage to tactfully ask these questions. Once you receive the answers, you can decide whether you feel comfortable leaving your child at his friend's home. And if you're a person who owns guns yourself, it's your responsibility to tell the parents of the children who visit your home about your guns, and inform them how the guns are secured.
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Link Posted: 4/9/2002 6:58:18 AM EDT
Don't forget to tell them: - where & how your knives are secured - where & how you store your household chemicals - where & how you store your pornography, sex toys, etc.... - where & how you store the car keys, chainsaw, ax, rope, matches, plastic bags, baseball bats - your security arrangements for your swimming pool or hot tub - where & how you secure your bicycles, skateboards, etc.... - what you have for fire extinguishers, sprinklers, smoke detectors, etc....
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:02:28 AM EDT
BAN GUN PLAY ALTOGETHER When kids start to play war, tell them to stop and then get them interested in something else. Explain that you don't like shooting--even pretend shooting--and why. Don't buy toy guns, and prohibit your children from creating guns out of objects around the house. Also, don't allow TV programs or movies with war themes or gun violence.
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Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:04:23 AM EDT
Children don't learn by looking; they only gain understanding by touching, trying, and experimenting.
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So rather than let them look at it and take it back, I think she is trying to tell us to let little Johnny shoot the 44 mag a couple times until he is bored of it? Would any of you actually consider telling perfect strangers about your guns? Oh....wait....we already do that here! Would anyone tell where they are kept? Does she think we are fucking morons?
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:08:13 AM EDT
Heeeeey now, don't forget, according to that webpage, she's the author of the award-winning, critically acclaimed MOMMY,I HAVE TO GO POTTY, soon to become a major motion-picture blockbuster coming to a theater near you. Making firearms items of mystery and wonder in children's eyes is the WRONG way. Radio host in Orlando always used to say you should need to get a license to have children, that might be "yet another law" I'd be willing to support.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:09:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2002 7:12:25 AM EDT by antiUSSA]
Somebody needs to instruct this poor woman on the methodology relating to the proper manner in which to gain the skills necessary to get up off of her ass... so she can remove her head from it! What freakin cabbage farm is growing these silly bitches anyway..? [pissed]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:10:48 AM EDT
This Soccer-Mom culture of safer-than-thou bullsh*t is running out of control. It's a bunch of chicks showing how "smart" and "aware" they are, none of those horrible things they see on 20/20 or Dateline will EVER happen to them! And they don't care how many rights they have to trample to do it. After all [i]they[/i] don't exercise them and who cares about the huddled masses who don't shop at Nieman Marcus anyhow?
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:32:17 AM EDT
Guns?? Sure I have them.. The kids just love to play a game I like to call... "Which bullet fits" Basically to take a pile of ammuntion ( only one of which fits) and a gun....ITS A BLAST!!
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:35:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/9/2002 7:36:16 AM EDT by Avalon01]
Originally Posted By jakesdadjake: Radio host in Orlando always used to say you should need to get a license to have children, that might be "yet another law" I'd be willing to support.
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And you think they would let gun-owners get that license? The only people that would be able to have kids would be the politicians. Since they know what's best for us. Av.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:52:29 AM EDT
You know, there are message boards at that site. Someone might want to CONSTRUCTIVELY inform the so-called child expert about these other aforementioned issues.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 7:54:29 AM EDT
Originally Posted By fight4yourrights: Don't forget to tell them: - where & how your knives are secured . .
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When some miscreants broke into my father-in-law's house, those folks went straight to the kitchen and got one of those kitchen knives and carried it throughout the house, the PD finally found it in the inside bedroom where the perps dropped it after ransacking the house. It was fortunate that no one was home at the time, because it would not take much to overcome a 75 year old man. His WWII 1911 souvenair was stolen.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:10:17 AM EDT
It's also important to ask a slew of other related questions. How much money do other parents keep in there house? Where is it? How difficult would it be for someone to get to? How many CD's and DVD's do they own? Where are they? Are they conveniently stored in a manner that makes them easy to transport? What about electronic equipment? What do they have and how much is it worth? How old is it? How much does it weigh? What are the parents work schedules? When are they on vacation? Do they have an alarm installed? Are there any doors or windows that are not monitored by the alarm? What is the alarm company's procedures for an event? Are police dispatched, or is an unarmed security guard sent to do a drive by? What kind of cars do they drive? What are they worth? Are they cars that are commonly stripped for parts for sale on the black market? How much money do they keep in bank accounts? How much available credit do they have? If one or both of the parents were to go missing, how long would it be before someone started closing their accounts? These are all legitimate questions to ask with the firearms ones. After all, anyone who would ask those questions does intend to rob you. I think I'd report anyone asking questions like that to the police in case of burglaries in the neighborhood.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:20:50 AM EDT
Do you have a gun in your house? None of your business. Where do you keep it? None of your business. How is it secured? None of your business. Do your children know of your gun? None of your business. What would you do if you heard an intruder? None of your bsuiness. Follow up with these questions. when was the last time you rotated your tire? When was the last time you checked your brakes on your car? When was the last time you changed your oil? Its going to rain this week, how old are you wiper blades? How are the fluids in your car? The list goes on.
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Link Posted: 4/9/2002 8:30:21 AM EDT
3. NO WAR PLAY INSIDE--OUTSIDE ONLY Gun play is usually raucous and grows quickly out-of-control. An "outside only rule" manages this high-pitched play without completely forbidding it.
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How will they ever learn CQB properly?[img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sardonic.gif[/img]
What would you do if you heard an intruder?
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Lay down a supressing fire and determine effectiveness before engaging target again...[img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/uzi.gif[/img]
If they refuse, it's up to you to watch your children every moment, just as you do when in a parking lot, on a balcony or around a wood-burning stove. It's your responsibility to provide the controls your young children lack.
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Well, Duh... Shouldn't you be doing that anyway? Or do you usually let the "little darling" run amock at someone else's home? [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/dark2.gif[/img]
Parents who adhere to this approach don't worry that their children will grow into a war mongers
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Gasp! A war monger! Look, here's one now! [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/ninja.gif[/img] This "Xpert" needs to stick to potty training. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sadness.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:49:08 AM EDT
what a stupid POS P.C. liberal. do i have guns in my house? None of her damn business! how do i store my guns? None of her damn business! heres some follow up questions. do you have any pimples on your ass? do you have genital herpes? do you use rogain? what brand of toilet paper do you use? how often do you pick your nose? how many times a day do you take a crap? ahhhhhh but you see. These questions should be answered truthfully to provide the optimal safety of children visiting your home. [rolleyes] [kill]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 9:59:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By eagle1911: Do you have a gun in your house? None of your business. Where do you keep it? None of your business. How is it secured? None of your business. Do your children know of your gun? None of your business.
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respectfully, i disagree. if a parent wants to make decisions about whether or not to let his child(ren) play with mine at my house, he has a right to know these things. in fact, i myself would ask these things. it's not necessarily the first question that i am interested in as much as it is the second and third ones. i could care less if my child's friend's parents have firearms. but i am going to want to know if they are dumbasses and leave them lying around with for the children to have access to. as a parent, you are responsible for making sure your child is safe, even in another person's home. on the flip side, if my neighbor came over and started asking these questions, he deserves my own version of these types of questions, which usually involve a lot of prying about his sex life and sexual orientation. [:D]
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:25:09 AM EDT
I'd like to clean three states worth of Toys-R-Us and WalMarts out of their toy guns and then rent a damn cargo plane and drop them to every neighborhood within a hundred miles of that chick, complete with instructions on playing "war" and such.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 10:31:01 AM EDT
Tsk. Tsk. Tsk. Let's look at this POSITIVELY. At least it's listed under "Family Fun."
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 11:46:19 AM EDT
Can you imagine if these kids ever had to go to war? I agree that you should know what environment your children are in but she is fricking nuts. How about, "If you have guns have secured them so the kids can't get them?"
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 12:12:23 PM EDT
I think it's so funny that this is from the Disney channel. Rosies biggest supporter.
Link Posted: 4/9/2002 1:57:51 PM EDT
Sure, all of you have good points in taking offense to this article, but I think you've missed the big one...it's on Page 3 of her article. [snip] "Let kids engage in gun play as much as they wish, and assume that this play will eventually drop out of sight. Parents who adhere to this approach don't worry that their children will grow into a war mongers, cops, robbers or hunters when grown. " [/snip] Great....so now hunters and LEO's get lumped in with the gangbangers and scumbags. Fan-fucking-tastic. I'd show her that my guns were locked safely up, then demonstrate just how much damage you can do with a 4-foot piece of garden hose. [pissed]
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Link Posted: 4/16/2002 10:56:01 PM EDT
NO WAR PLAY INSIDE--OUTSIDE ONLY Ahh the memoies....
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 10:56:15 PM EDT
Looks like another rectal-cranial inversion requiring surgery or at least a john deere and a log chain. [chainsawkill]
Link Posted: 4/16/2002 11:10:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By platform389:
Parents who adhere to this approach don't worry that their children will grow into a war mongers
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Gasp! A war monger! Look, here's one now! [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/ninja.gif[/img] This "Xpert" needs to stick to potty training. [img]http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/sadness.gif[/img]
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Dude, anyone can see that is not a warmonger, it is the dreaded Mall Ninja. This is obviously a far worse situation than you anticipated.
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 1:09:29 AM EDT
[b]TRIGGER TEMPTATION Preschool-age children simply don't grasp the difference between imaginative play with toy guns, or child-created guns, and the real thing. Kids won't be able to fully comprehend that real guns are lethal and that death is permanent until they're about 10 years old.[b/] I have a 4 year old son and a 5 year old son. When I bought my handgun in november the first thing i did was go out and buy a gun safe, then I started talking to them about to never touch my gun. I aslo have my concealed carry permit, both my boys know that I carry, I also talk to them all the time about to never touch my gun when I am carrying. About 2 months ago I caught my oldest son trying to get some candy that I had left on top of my gun safe. I know bad daddy. I explained to him that he could not try to climb on top of my gun safe for various safety reasons and to never do it again. Well a week later I caught him doing it again. So instead of doing what I wanted to do, I decided that I needed to take both of my boys out to the woods and show them exactly what guns can do. So I proceeded to go to the grocery store and I bought some apples, and tomatoes. When we got out to the woods were I frequently shoot, I set up some tomatoes and I shot at the tomatoes. I told my boys to watch the tomatoes. Well gun goes bang, and tomatoes go splat.Both of my boys said daddy that was cool, man that tomatoe was shreded. 9mm 135grain Federal Hydro Shock bullets do the trick. You could see were the bullett went in and were it went out,if you tried to put the tomatoe back together,boy one sloppy mess.It was a good visual tool. Then I proceeded to tell both of my boys that If someone was to shoot somebody this is what could happen, which could cause that person to die, or be hurt really bad. Both of my boys grasped the concept pretty quickly. I proceeded to tell them both that trying to climb on the gun safe was not a good idea and that if something were to fall inside it could cause a gun to go bang and someone could get hurt just like the tomatoe. Then I said to them that trying to touch my gun when I carry it is very dangerous, If the gun were to go of it could hurt me or someone else just like the tomatoe, well long story short, have not had one problem with either of my kids trying to go anywere near my gun safe or either of them trying to touch my gun when I am carrying since then.Plus they are always talking about the tomatoe and what daddys gun did to the tomatoe. My oldest son is always asking me questions about gun safety and when am I going to clean my gun next, because when I clean my guns( ALWAYS EMPTY BEFORE KIDS ARE AROUND)I let them watch and I also let them touch,hold and inspect the inside of the barrel, and hold my dissassebled gun. Education and Parent Involvement is the key. Not all of her phyco babble about raising kids to learn that it is evil to defend yourself with a gun, and want to become a police officer, or be part of the United States Military.
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 1:22:35 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 10112002:
Originally Posted By eagle1911: Do you have a gun in your house? None of your business. Where do you keep it? None of your business. How is it secured? None of your business. Do your children know of your gun? None of your business.
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respectfully, I disagree. if a parent wants to make decisions about whether or not to let his child(ren) play with mine at my house, he has a right to know these things. in fact, I myself would ask these things. it's not necessarily the first question that I am interested in as much as it is the second and third ones. I could care less if my child's friend's parents have firearms. but I am going to want to know if they are dumbasses and leave them lying around with for the children to have access to. as a parent, you are responsible for making sure your child is safe, even in another person's home. on the flip side, if my neighbor came over and started asking these questions, he deserves my own version of these types of questions, which usually involve a lot of prying about his sex life and sexual orientation. [:D]
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I would hope by that time you would have gotten to know the parents. I understand your view point. However there are dumbasses out there who don't own guns and should not have kids. BTW, thanks for the respect, i expected to get flamed for this statement. also if this doesnot look right on the board, i am experimenting.
Link Posted: 4/17/2002 2:34:04 AM EDT
Do I have a gun? Sure, I keep it in the playroom with the poison gas. Don't worry, it's pretty hard to get to, what with the razor wire and all....
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