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Posted: 4/5/2002 10:00:52 AM EDT
It seems that the whole Palestine / Israel conflict has spurred some interesting theological debate here at ar15.com. It's interesting to read the replies and responses. I've already identified some congregationalists, Calvinists, Evangelicals, etc. I'm just curious. What theological label do you wear? Neo-Pagan? Agnostic? Fundamentalist? Episcopalian? Gnostic? ************[flame]NO FLAME INTENDED, JUST CURIOUS[flame]*********** I'm an unabashed home to Rome Lutheran.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:04:29 AM EDT
Non-theistic agnostic. I support Israel, however, because I think the fundamentalist Islamicists are nutcases and need to be opposed.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:09:29 AM EDT
Evangelical. I also have a Masters in Theology. Some of the theological topics here are quite interesting. I have even learned a thing or two. We have some pretty sharp minds here.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:21:08 AM EDT
Orthodox Christian. We believe the same things that Christ did 2000 years ago. Unlike other religions, we haven't "reinterpreted" the Bible and the teachings of Jesus. For example, Catholics changed how the God-Jesus-Holy Spirit relationship is. We believe that God is at the top with Jesus and the Holy Spirit below him, like a triangle. Catholics have an upside down triangle with God and Jesus on the top and the Holy Spirit below them. Other Christian Religions have split from us over things like the Catholic item I mentioned above. We go all the way back to the Crusifiction. We split away from the Jews then, believing that Christ was the Savior. Anyway, that is a short history of our Religion. There are different Orthodox Churchs you might here in the news. There is the Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian(which is what I am a part of), Greek, and others. They are all the same except for the part of the world they are HQ'd in and for the language they speak in church.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:21:47 AM EDT
I like to think of myself as being a: Pagan-Pitbullistic-Blackriflian-Handgunostic-Pornographic-Psychotic-SIGsauerian-NeoSatanistic-Freethinker. But I could be wrong… [;)] Tyler
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:21:54 AM EDT
I belong to no organized religion, as I belong to no organized political party. I am a very strong Boston Bruins fan, however. Seriously, I try to understand as much about every religion as I can, and learn from each of them. Basically, they all seem to come down to one common point: Do what you truly believe to be right.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:22:15 AM EDT
I'm Protestant Methodist. A strong beleiver
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:23:27 AM EDT
I'm mix of non-denominational Christian, mixed with Deism...
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:25:44 AM EDT
Biblicist. If the Bible says it, I beleive it, and try to get myself in line with it. For a more complete defintion, see the King James Version of the Holy Scriptures. [:D] If ya wanna categorize me in more traditional labels, prolly 4.5 pt Calvinist Reformed (sans infant baptism)
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:26:01 AM EDT
I am a member of the church of Christ! (The only group I know that considers the Southern Baptists as a bunch of liberals!)[:D] If you were to draw a straight line from Chattanooga, Tennessee, to El Paso, Texas, [b]80%[/b] of [u]all[/u] church of Christ members live within 200 miles on either side of the line! 'That's T for Texas, T for Tennessee' Eric The(Musical)Hun[>]:)]
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TylerDurden, [:D]What time are your services?[:D] ROTFLMAO
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:27:53 AM EDT
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Like AR15FENCER, I'm a bit of a mix. I'm primarily a non-denominational Christian, but I throw in a little Taoism. Edited to fix spelling. I hate it when I post something that looks right, until I reread it after I've already hit the submit button.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:36:40 AM EDT
I'm not sure how to classify myself. I fully support Israel. I believe that God himself established the borders of Canaan (Israel). I also feel that since the Bible repeatedly refers to the eastern border of Canaan as "The Jordan:, that they are refering to the Jordan River. The Jordan River's "West Bank is the currently disputed area. Palestine does not legitimately exist. On the other hand, they do have claim to Jordan. In College I took World Religions. It was an overview of the different religions (Animism, Judaism, Christianity, Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Sikhism, Jainism, and Islam.) When they discussed Islam, it became obvious that Islam was not founded as a religion of Peace. Mohammed was run out of Mecca (Saudi Arabia) and Fled to Medinah (Saudi Arabia). This marks the beginning of the Muslim Calendar which is why they are still in the 14th Century. Then, Mohammed converted tribal leaders to Islam. Then, he led an army back to Mecca and massacred men, women, and children. They killed anybody who refused to convert to Islam. Over the following years, the Muslims moved east, west, north, conquering territories and carrying out massacres. This following info. comes from World History. The Muslims conquered all of North Africa, pushed into Turkey, onto the Balkans, and all the way to France. Another group moved north from Morocco into spain occupying it. But, when the Muslim hordes reached Tours, they were stopped by Charles "The Hammer" Matrel. They were forced out of Europe for the most part. Spain was liberated except for Grenada which the Muslims held until the end of the 15th Century. The muslim hordes were very damn close to taking the entire known world (France was the last country in continental Europe they hadn't taken). Now, back to World Religions. In *current* Islam, there are 3 holy cities: Mecca, Medinah, and Jeruselam. Now, I will point out that I do not believe that Mohammed was ever in Jeruselam. This is a relatively recent claim from the Palestinians used to justify them wanting Jeruselam. But, as the story goes Mohammed had his revelation in the Middle East. Their is some mention of a rock, cave, or something like that. Well, here is the craziest part. Mohammed goes up to Heaven and meets I believe Abraham and God, etc...He is told to pray x times a day by god. On his way down, he meets another biblical figure who tells him that that is too many times a day. So, he goes back to god and bargains it down to something like 5 times a day. He then, heads back to tell his "people". The Palestinians claim that Mohammed was in Jeruselam in mid-7th Century when he had this revelation. Then, he traveled what must have been a long trip back across the entire middle east to Mecca. Come on, there is no way he was in Jeruselam.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:38:48 AM EDT
Great topic! Christian, I go to a Southern Baptist church, but I am Christian. I don't agree with all their rules and regulations, but I believe in Christianity. Christ was crucified and resurrected for our salvation. If you got that much it really doesn't matter where you go to church or how you dress.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:48:36 AM EDT
Generic Heathen. Only thing theological I believe, is that anyone who thinks they "know" their particular belief system is true and everyone else's is false is totally full of shit. Not to mention self-delusionary.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 10:50:46 AM EDT
Agnostic but strong leanings toward dallascowboyismistic, rolltiderollismistic and armaliteriflesisticism. (The spell checker - it quit !)
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:02:30 AM EDT
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This is an incredible topic! Who would believe that I would find a fellowship on the internet at a firearms site. I love this, it reminds me to stay close to Jesus, especially in these troubled times. YAHOO!! I am totally committed believer in Christ, the Son of God. I belive that He died on the cross for our sins and will return to this earth for His children (beleivers). Malpaso, do not be fooled by the commonalities of different religions, instead look to how they are different. This will separate all religions into two groups. Group 1 will be the religions that say do good works and live good life and you will be rewarded in some way. Group 2 has only one religion, Cristianity, and while a good life and good works are important, there is only one way to get to heaven. That is to get down on your knees and pray for forgiveness from God. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and truly repent for your sins. That's it, no other way.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:07:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Agnostic but strong leanings toward dallascowboyismistic
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Damn, you must have been facing a crisis of faith the last couple years...
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:12:34 AM EDT
[b]garandman [i"If the Bible says it, I beleive it, and try to get myself in line with it. For a more complete defintion, see the King James Version of the Holy Scriptures."[/u][/b] I couldnt agree more...I belong to no organized religous organization, business, whatever you want to call it... No political party... In fact, I can't say it better than he did above....so... Take care Franklin [url=http://www.survivalforum.com]SurvivalForum[/url]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:13:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: If the Bible says it, I beleive it, and try to get myself in line with it.
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Thats where I stand also. Don't care what name you give it. I believe EVERYTHING it says.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 11:50:07 AM EDT
I belong to the People's Front of Judea. You have to REALLY hate the Romans to be in the PFJ. [B)] The only people we hate more than the Romans are the fucking Judean People's Front. [BD] ...and the Judean Popular People's Front too! [;D] Oh, yeah... and I can't stand the Popular Front of Judea either. [>:/] But I especially hate the People's Front of Judea - they're the worst!! [%|]
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If I had to pick my favorite interpritation of fairy tales... Nestorians. At least they attempt plausibility. And don't forget... [url]www3.neilrogers.com/sounds/bonr19982/46.wav[/url]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:04:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: If the Bible says it, I beleive it, and try to get myself in line with it. For a more complete defintion, see the King James Version of the Holy Scriptures.
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Me too brother! If you need to put me in a category and label me, might as well add that I'm a pentecostal and attend the "_________" Church of God. [:D]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:18:51 PM EDT
Tisk, tisk, tisk, tisk.... I think that the man asked what religion you are, not WHY YOUR JESUS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, AND WHY RELIGION/OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION IS WRONG. Sorry I had to get that off of my chest. It is only directed to a few of you, and you know who you are.[;)] Personally, I am Mormon, as if my handle did not give it away.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:19:21 PM EDT
Agnostic leaning athiest .....I have tried to be a believer but I have a hard time accepting religion. However, I am glad to see some people try and truelly believe. Plus churches do a lot of good for the community. I really, really, REALLY hate it when any religous group comes around an knocks on my door to "save" me and tell me that I am going to hell if I don't believe in "their" religion. I also support school prayer as long as it is initiated by the students. I have heard about students being kick out of study hall because they bring a bible to read, that is crap.....doing that is an exercise of freedom of religion.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:20:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BYU: Tisk, tisk, tisk, tisk.... I think that the man asked what religion you are, not WHY YOUR JESUS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, AND WHY RELIGION/OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION IS WRONG. Sorry I had to get that off of my chest. It is only directed to a few of you, and you know who you are.[;)] Personally, I am Mormon, as if my handle did not give it away.
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If directed at me, it was a joke. I tend to not take these issue too seriously.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:29:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Originally Posted By BYU: Tisk, tisk, tisk, tisk.... I think that the man asked what religion you are, not WHY YOUR JESUS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, AND WHY RELIGION/OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION IS WRONG. Sorry I had to get that off of my chest. It is only directed to a few of you, and you know who you are.[;)] Personally, I am Mormon, as if my handle did not give it away.
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If directed at me, it was a joke. I tend to not take these issue too seriously.
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If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, it probably belongs to someone else [;)]. You say that you do not take the issue too serious, but you always have something to say when religion is talked about on the board.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:33:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BYU: Tisk, tisk, tisk, tisk.... I think that the man asked what religion you are, not WHY YOUR JESUS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, AND WHY RELIGION/OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION IS WRONG. Sorry I had to get that off of my chest. It is only directed to a few of you, and you know who you are.[;)] Personally, I am Mormon, as if my handle did not give it away.
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I'm sure there's a bunch of people who attend BYU that aren't Mormom. Probably most of those on football and basketball scholarships. [;)]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:36:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Schnert: It seems that the whole Palestine / Israel conflict has spurred some interesting theological debate here at ar15.com. It's interesting to read the replies and responses. I've already identified some congregationalists, Calvinists, Evangelicals, etc. I'm just curious. What theological label do you wear? Neo-Pagan? Agnostic? Fundamentalist? Episcopalian? Gnostic? ************[flame]NO FLAME INTENDED, JUST CURIOUS[flame]*********** I'm an unabashed home to Rome Lutheran.
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Episcopalian (Anglican)
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:39:45 PM EDT
Make that 2 for the Episcopalian (Anglican)team.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:49:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BYU: You say that you do not take the issue too serious, but you always have something to say when religion is talked about on the board.
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I PROPOSE the suggestion that most of my topics and many others degenerate into religious discussion so there. But seriously most of my discussions are economic/political in nature, many having to do with Israel. And many people just cannot discuss Israel without discussing religion. As a result, I have to address their religious assertions. When I DO enter a religious topic (such as this one), it is mostly to yank a chain here and there. I'm sorry I thought the link was funny.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:49:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Houston:
Originally Posted By BYU: Tisk, tisk, tisk, tisk.... I think that the man asked what religion you are, not WHY YOUR JESUS IS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSES, AND WHY RELIGION/OTHER PEOPLE'S RELIGION IS WRONG. Sorry I had to get that off of my chest. It is only directed to a few of you, and you know who you are.[;)] Personally, I am Mormon, as if my handle did not give it away.
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I'm sure there's a bunch of people who attend BYU that aren't Mormom. Probably most of those on football and basketball scholarships. [;)]
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Approximately 99% of the student population at BYU is Mormon(see www.byu.edu if you want). Yes, students of other faiths attend BYU. Yes, they also play collegiate sports. The overwhelming majority of those on the football and basketball teams are Mormon. I know, a few of my friends play on those teams, and I hang out with some of them too.[;)]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:53:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: But seriously most of my discussions are economic/political in nature, many having to do with Israel. And many people just cannot discuss Israel without discussing religion. As a result, I have to address their religious assertions. When I DO enter a religious topic (such as this one), it is mostly to yank a chain here and there. I'm sorry I thought the link was funny.
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Hey, I thought the link was pretty funny myself. But come on man, I thought BOTD was one of your serious topics. Lighten up man, I am just messin with ya [:)]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 12:59:48 PM EDT
Reformed Baptist. No that is not the same as "ex-Baptist." [url=http://www.vor.org/mebane/about/index.html]What is a Reformed Baptist Church?[/url]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:00:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TylerDurden: I like to think of myself as being a: Pagan-Pitbullistic-Blackriflian-Handgunostic-Pornographic-Psychotic-SIGsauerian-NeoSatanistic-Freethinker. But I could be wrong… [;)] Tyler
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Replace pitbulls with death metal, Sig with Glock and it's pretty much the same for me...
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:07:11 PM EDT
LDS, and I hate BYU. :P
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:12:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5: Agnostic but strong leanings toward dallascowboyismistic
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Damn, you must have been facing a crisis of faith the last couple years...
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It is truly spoken that my faith has been sorely tested ! (However, I've been a 'Boys' fan so long I can't break the habit. The 'Tide' ain't been no prize lately either.)
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:13:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Goet: LDS, and I hate BYU. :P
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Ouch![;)] What is wrong with you-let me guess-you go to the University of Utah[;D]. PS: are you the same GOET from zion's camp? I post over there under the handle St0rminM0rm0n.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:18:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BYU: .... the handle St0rminM0rm0n.
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I do love that handle !
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:22:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By BYU: .... the handle St0rminM0rm0n.
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I do love that handle !
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Thanks! I have thought about changing it, but have never done it. BTW, what the hell does 5subslr5 stand for. I got the sub and sailor part, but the 5-let me guess-5th fleet. Help!
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:27:12 PM EDT
Born & raised Roman Catholic, but now am more of a Deist. I believe in God as a creator, but not a meddler.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:30:54 PM EDT
I was raised mostly by a Southern Baptist, although we went to a church run by a different sect. Later, I "became" an agnostic. For the last seven months, I've been leaning more and more heavily toward the atheist position -- I have a hard time believing in any sort of god who could allow something like the September 11th attacks to happen. If there is one (or are any), it's (they're) just observing.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:39:41 PM EDT
I forgot to answer the question. So, here goes: My parents are Baptists. I was sent to Sunday School, etc...But, while i believe in God and that Jesus is his son. I don't believe that religion should be legislated. For example, I knew more than a few that felt that the government should ban anything immoral. I feel that the government shoudl keep out of religion as much as possible. For example, they shouldn't create a national religion, they shouldn't tell somebody they cannot take a bible to school, they shouldn't inhibit a politician from putting religious symbols in his office if he so pleases, and they should not legislate morality. Morality is God's Domain. Criminal is Human Domain. Basically, if you steal or hurt somebody that is criminal. But, if you chose to pay your sister to have sex with you while smoking weed that is none of the govenment's business. But, you will have to answer at the Pearly Gates for it.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: ... but I believe that since God gave me the gift of reason, he wants me to use it, and skepticism is part of that.
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Oh yeah? You probably believe in a heliocentric view of the cosmos, too! [:D] (*) Re-edited to note: Hail to the sun god! He sure is a fun god! Ra! Ra! Ra! [:D] (*) For those who don't know this part of history: "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." -- Galileo (translated, so approximate, of course), on being persecuted by the Catholic Church for daring to promote heliocentrism.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:44:09 PM EDT
LDS convert. Only been to Utah once. Not planning on going back anytime soon. [;D]
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 1:46:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BYU:
Originally Posted By 5subslr5:
Originally Posted By BYU: .... the handle St0rminM0rm0n.
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I do love that handle !
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Thanks! I have thought about changing it, but have never done it. BTW, what the hell does 5subslr5 stand for. I got the sub and sailor part, but the 5-let me guess-5th fleet. Help!
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Don't change that channel...uh, I mean handle ! When I first registered I tried just "subslr" but that was taken - then subslr1, etc., finally I said to heck with it and put in 5subslr5 and Goatboy's program liked that one fine.
Link Posted: 4/5/2002 2:05:52 PM EDT
Born Again Christian. Zechariah 12:3
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Link Posted: 4/5/2002 2:10:50 PM EDT
Bearlaker, you and me both, Brother! I love your reference to Zechariah 12:3![:D] It is sooooo appropriate, nowadays, is it not? Eric The(Believing,Awaiting)Hun[>]:)]
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