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Posted: 4/2/2002 6:37:33 PM EDT
Where to buy gasoline and not support terrorism.. Actually is food for thought. Yisrael Medad of the Begin Center sent the following information: Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family,and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from. Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00-8/31/01): Shell 205,742,000 barrels Chevron/Texaco 144,332,000 barrels Exxon/Mobil 130,082,000 barrels Marathon 117,740,000 barrels Amoco 62,231,000 barrels If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil: Citgo 0 barrels Sunoco 0 Conoco 0 Sinclair 0 BP/Phillips 0 All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and can be easily documented. Refineries located in the U.S. are required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a monthly basis. Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for terrorism. Bulldog OUT
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 6:45:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 6:49:13 PM EDT
Thank God, I switched to Citgo Gas a while back (I frequent the convinience store attached to it). At least, I now know I am not support the Saudis.
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 6:54:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cc48510: Thank God, I switched to Citgo Gas a while back (I frequent the convinience store attached to it). At least, I now know I am not support the Saudis.
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Me too. Heck, I haven't bought Exxon fuel since the Valdez fiasco. Bulldog OUT
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 6:55:48 PM EDT
CC48510 - are you SURE? Som,e years ago a law was passed that made it OK for a branded station to buy from sources other than the company who's sign is out front. FAct is, no matter where you buy, you have no idea the source!! Too bad - we could hold their feet to the fire. Best solution is attack SA and be done with it!
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 7:02:38 PM EDT
Venezuela
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 7:05:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By LotBoy: Venezuela
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YES, and ANWR
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 7:06:22 PM EDT
what about Spur? and how current is your list?
Link Posted: 4/2/2002 7:09:21 PM EDT
Lets start drilling off Kaliforniastan
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 5:56:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 6:24:33 AM EDT
I think Mouse is right and onto something. You cannot tell me all those companies have their own refineries or at sometime don't buy form other sources? Yeah the truck delivering it may say Citgo or whatever, but I don't think you can say it is completley middle east free stuff? Didn't BP buy out Amoco recently too? So did they suddenly switch all thier production? Later IAJack
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 6:25:09 AM EDT
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Sounds good, and I'm sure you wish it were that simple, but it is absolutely not true...
The implication that most of the oil exported to the U.S. comes from the Middle East. According to the Energy Information Administration (as reported by The New York Times), the biggest exporters of oil to the USA in 2000 were (in millions of barrels per day): Canada: 1.69 Saudi Arabia: 1.57 Venezuela: 1.52 Mexico: 1.36 Nigeria: 0.89 Iraq: 0.61
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[url]http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/nogas.htm[/url] Not that I would have any trouble cutting off any kind of income to those pesky Canadians... [:D] Consider bookmarking the Urban Legends page for future reference: [url]http://www.snopes2.com/[/url]
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 6:37:08 AM EDT
I'm no petro engineer, but refineries are set up to refine only a certain kind of crude oil. The element sulfur being the nemisis, the more sulfur, the less desirable. Isn't Citgo a division of the anti-gun Southland Corp, that owns 7-11 convience stores?
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 7:06:46 AM EDT
I have Amoco, Shell, Marathon, Mobile, and three Independents to choose from. Family Express (Independent) I was told by a friend is owned by the Arabs, I have no proof of this being true, but they are always one of the highest priced, so I buy else where anyway.
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 7:31:58 AM EDT
Citgo is the US refining/marketing branch of PDVSA, the state-owned petroluem entity of the ONLY non-Arab member of OPEC. I'd rather pump Russian gasoline into my car than support these crooks. Remeber when petro was nationalized in Venezuela? All of the refineries were taken over by the military and companies that were doing business were forced out w/o compensation. As far as KNOWING the gasoline you pump isn't Arab, good luck. Its piped from the refineries to tank farms where it is trucked to ANY retail outlet. If that outlet is an Exxon, the gasloine could be from ANY refinery that has connections to the pipeline. This exists on the crude supplies for land-locked refineries. The ONLY way to assure non-Arab petro is to use bio-diesel, a fuel made from waste vegetable oil and alcohol. The Arabs don't have any stake in that market. Its true refineries must alter their processes based on sulfur content/gravity etc. but they also blend feedstocks to the same effect. This feedstock blending makes tracability of petro impossible. Just drive less! I'm using half as much as I used to while still traveling the same mileage. How? Sensible driving habits, more economical vehicle and alternative transportation.
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 9:04:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Keith_J: Citgo is the US refining/marketing branch of PDVSA, the state-owned petroluem entity of the ONLY non-Arab member of OPEC...
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OPEC members include Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, and Venezuela. Five of 12 appear to be "non-Arab".
Non-OPEC countries produced 60% of the world's oil in 2000. Of the top ten oil producers in the world in 2000, only three (Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela) were OPEC members. Non-OPEC oil production has been increasing steadily since 1993, with the United States, Russia, Mexico, China, Canada and North Sea countries Norway and the United Kingdom as the most prolific producers. Non-OPEC countries also possess most of the world's capacity for refining crude oil into petroleum products such as gasoline and heating oil.
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[url]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/nonopec.html[/url]
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 11:36:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By warlord: I'm no petro engineer, but refineries are set up to refine only a certain kind of crude oil. The element sulfur being the nemisis, the more sulfur, the less desirable. Isn't Citgo a division of the anti-gun Southland Corp, that owns 7-11 convience stores?
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The equipment is all the same in a refinery no matter what the current crude is. Depending on the crude characteristic, the tower operations will be adjusted to match. Yes it would be nice to have a tower set up for each type of crude to achieve the best $$/per bbl but it doesn't work like that. Sulfur is manageable and not a big issue the biggest deal is what you are trying to produce and which crude has more of it. If you want asphalt only you want the heaviest crude if you want gas then the lighter crude’s. I'm sure you get the idea. As far as knowing were the gas comes from it is just about impossible to know. My refinery (Williams) sales to Chevron, Texaco, and a bunch of mom and pops. We also barge to lower 48(have no clue were that goes). I you like the price of gas now what till EPA get done with it. They want low low sulfur fuels and all it does is add directly to t the cost of the gas (in the neighborhood of $.25 a gal) Clinth Refinery operator/Board man
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:07:58 PM EDT
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Algeria: Population -- 30,150,000 Ethnicity -- Arab-Berber (99%) Religion -- Sunni Muslim (99%), Judeo-Christian (1%) Languages -- Arabic, Berber, French Life Expectancy -- Female (70), Male (68) Literacy -- 62% Membership -- Arab League, OAU, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $3,767 Exports -- Petroleum (OIL), Natural Gas Trade Partners -- Exports: France, US, Italy Imports: France, Germany, US
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:14:20 PM EDT
Indonesia: Population -- 211,340,000 Ethnicity -- Javanese (45%), Sundanese (14%), Madurese (8%), Coastal Malay (8%) Religion -- Muslim (87%), Protestant (6%), Catholic (3%), Hindu (2%) Languages -- Bahasa, Malay, English, Dutch, Indigenous Life Expectancy -- Female (67), Male (63) Literacy -- 84% Membership -- ASEAN, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $3,612 Exports -- Oil, Natural Gas, Timber, Textiles, Rubber, Coffee Trade Partners -- Exports: Japan, US, Singapore Imports: Japan, US, Germany
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:18:02 PM EDT
As noted earlier... Claim: Spurning gasoline from Shell, Chevron, Texaco, Exxon, and Mobil will cut off the funding of terrorists. Status: False. http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/outrage/nogas.htm
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:21:45 PM EDT
Iran: Population -- 68,280,000 Ethnicity -- Persian (Aryan Descent)(51%), Azerbaijani (24%), Kurdish (7%) Religion -- Shi'ite Muslim (89%), Sunni Muslim (10%) Languages -- Farsi, Turkish, Kurdish Life Expectancy -- Female (70), Male (69) Literacy -- 72% Membership -- OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $4,951 Political Parties -- Militant Clerics Assoc., Tehran Militant Clergy Exports -- Oil, Carpets, Fruit, Nuts, Hides, Iron, Steel Trade Partners -- Exports: Japan, Italy, France Imports: Germany, Japan, Italy
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:26:53 PM EDT
Iraq: Population -- 22,610,000 Ethnicity -- Arab (75-80%), Kurdish (15-20%), Turkoman/Assyrian (5%) Religion -- Shi'ite Muslim (60-65%), Sunni Muslim (32-37%), Christian (3%) Languages -- Arabic, Kurdish, Assyrian, Armenian Life Expectancy -- Female (70), Male (67) Literacy -- 71% Membership -- Arab League, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $1,956 Exports -- Oil, Fertilizer, Sulfur Trade Partners -- Exports: US, Brazil, Turkey, Japan Imports: Germany, US, Turkey, France, England
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:30:57 PM EDT
Kuwait: Population -- 2,145,000 Ethnicity -- Kuwaiti (45%), Other Arab (35%), South Asian (9%), Iranian (4%) Religion -- Sunni Muslim (45%), Shi'ite Muslim (30%) Languages -- Arabic, English Life Expectancy -- Female (78), Male (74) Literacy -- 79% Membership -- Arab League, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $17,092 Exports -- Oil Trade Partners -- Exports: Iraq, Saudi Arabia, China Imports: US, Japan, Germany
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:34:12 PM EDT
Libya: Population -- 5,745,000 Ethnicity -- Arab-Berber (97%) Religion -- Sunni Muslim (97%) Languages -- Arabic Life Expectancy -- Female (68), Male (64) Literacy -- 76% Membership -- Arab League, OAU, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $6,391 Exports -- Oil, Natural Gas Trade Partners -- Exports: Italy, France, Greece Imports: Italy, Japan, Germany
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:39:30 PM EDT
Nigeria: Population -- 108,660,000 Ethnicity -- Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Ino Religion -- Muslim (50%), Christian (40%), Animist (10%) Languages -- English, Hausa, Fulani, Yoruba, Ino Life Expectancy -- Female (54), Male (51) Literacy -- 57% Membership -- CW, OAU, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $1,321 Exports -- Oil, Cocoa (Source of Cocaine), Rubber Trade Partners -- Exports: US, France, Netherlands (Holland) Imports: England, US, Germany, France
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:43:13 PM EDT
Qatar: Population -- 568,000 Ethnicity -- Arab (40%), Pakistani (18%), Indian (18%), Iranian (10%) Religion -- Muslim (95%) Languages -- Arabic, English Life Expectancy -- Female (75), Male (70) Literacy -- 79% Membership -- Arab League, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $19,039 Exports -- Oil, Steel, Fertilizer Trade Partners -- Exports: Japan, Brazil, UAE Imports: England, Japan, US, Italy
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:46:31 PM EDT
Saudi Arabia: Population -- 20,415,000 Ethnicity -- Arab (90%), Afro-Asian (10%) Religion -- Muslim (100%) Languages -- Arabic Life Expectancy -- Female (73), Male (70) Literacy -- 63% Membership -- Arab League, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $9,929 Exports -- Oil Trade Partners -- Exports: Japan, US, Singapore Imports: Us, Japan, England
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:50:26 PM EDT
United Arab Emirates: Population -- 3,255,000 Ethnicity -- South Asian (50%), Emiri (19%), Other Arab (23%) Religion -- Sunni Muslim (80%), Shi'ite Muslim (16%) Languages -- Arabic, Farsi, English, Hindi, Urdu Life Expectancy -- Female (77), Male (74) Literacy -- 79% Membership -- Arab League, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $23,429 Exports -- Oil, Natural Gas, Dried Fish, Dates Trade Partners -- Exports: Japan, France, US Imports: Japan, England, US
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:55:50 PM EDT
Venezuela: Population -- 22,605,000 Ethnicity -- Mestizo (67%), White (21%), Black (10%), Indian (2%) Religion -- Roman Catholic (96%), Protestant (2%) Languages -- Spanish, Amerindian Life Expectancy -- Female (76), Male (70) Literacy -- 91% Membership -- OAS, OPEC, UN Per Capita -- $8,949 Exports -- Oil, Metals, Agriculture, Chemicals, Manufactures Trade Partners -- Exports: US, Japan, Colombia, Netherlands (Holland) Imports: US, Germany, Italy
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 12:59:46 PM EDT
United States of America: Population -- 270,130,000 Ethnicity -- White (83%), Black (12%), Asain (3%), Amerindian (1%) Religion -- Protestant (56%), Roman Catholic (28%), Jewish (2%) Languages -- English, Spanish Life Expectancy -- Female (80), Male (73) Literacy -- 97% Membership -- NATO, OECD, OAS, UN Per Capita -- $27,336 Exports -- Machinery, Cars, Raw Materials, Manufactures, Agriculture Trade Partners -- Exports: Canada, Japan, Mexico Imports: Canada, Japan, Mexico
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 1:04:59 PM EDT
Israel: Population -- 5,765,000 Ethnicity -- Jewish (82%), Arab (18%) Religion -- Jewish (82%), Muslim (14%), Christian (2%), Druze (2%) Languages -- Hebrew, Arabic Life Expectancy -- Female (79), Male (75) Literacy -- 96% Membership -- UN Per Capita -- $15,638 Exports -- Machinery, Equipment, Diamonds, Chemicals, Textiles, Clothing, Metals Trade Partners -- Exports: US, Japan, England Imports: US, Belgium, Germany
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 1:11:41 PM EDT
Afghanistan (1999): Population -- 24,290,000 Ethnicity -- Pathan (38%), Tajik (25%), Hazara (19%), Uzbek (6%) Religion -- Sunni Muslim (84%), Shi'ite Muslim (15%) Languages -- Dari, Pashto, Uzbek, Turkmen Life Expectancy -- Female (46), Male (45) Literacy -- 32% Membership -- UN Per Capita -- $562 Exports -- Fruits, Nuts, Carpets, Wool, Cotton, Hides, Pelts, Gems Trade Partners -- Exports: Former Soviet Union, Pakistan, India Imports: Former Soviet Union, Japan, Singapore
Link Posted: 4/3/2002 1:13:59 PM EDT
Is there a point to this waste of bandwidth?
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