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Posted: 3/31/2002 6:05:41 PM EDT
[url]http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=30032002-024315-8298r[/url]
BOISE, Idaho, March 30 (UPI) -- In a bid for a more realistic training experience, Marine Corps reconnaissance teams will attempt to evade nosey neighbors and noisy dogs as they prowl the streets of Boise in a mock infiltration exercise this spring. The city and the Marines announced Friday that about two-dozen leathernecks would attempt to infiltrate Boise during practice intelligence-gathering missions sometime between May 6 and 10. Although the Marines routinely practice their craft in mock urban settings on military bases, some skills can only be honed in a genuine city. "What happens in these urban training facilities is we don't have dogs; we don't have garbage trucks driving down the street and we don't have the rhythms that you would see in your day-to-day life," Maj. Chandler Hirsch told a news conference. The scenario of the exercise conducted by the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory calls for 24 reconnaissance-team members to fly to a National Guard training facility outside Boise in late April. The Marines will then attempt to slip into the city, spy on specific targets and then get out of town unnoticed; other Marines will act as enemy sentries guarding the target buildings. Hirsch said the Marines would be wearing military-style clothing and would not be carrying loaded weapons. They will also not go on to private property. The goal is for the Marines to carry out their missions without being noticed by Boise's 186,000 citizens. A Marine will be assigned to the Ada County 911 center to monitor any calls from suspicious residents, and a Boise police officer will serve as an escort for each team in the event a civilian who didn't get the word attempts to intervene. Such exercises by the military are not unusual. A similar larger-scale exercise last month in North Little Rock, Arkansas frightened some residents who came upon armed troops skulking around their neighborhoods. An Army Special Forces soldier was shot to death and another was wounded Feb. 23 during such a surreptitious exercise when they jumped a Bragg County, North Carolina deputy sheriff whom they thought was a role-playing actor in an exercise. Despite the chance of running into a citizen with a shotgun or a snarling 100-pound Rottweiler, urban exercises are seen as an important training tool, particularly as the U.S. military finds itself increasingly involved in chasing guerilla forces such as al Qaida. "We are looking at the urban environment because we know no military can beat the U.S. military in an open battle space," said Jenny Holbert, spokeswoman for the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory. "We proved that in Desert Storm, but now there is an increased likelihood our enemies will fight us in foreign cities. Cities are complex, difficult environments where our techniques may not be as effective." (Reported by Hil Anderson, Los Angeles) Copyright © 2002 United Press International
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Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:09:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:15:31 PM EDT
OK, as a resident of Boise, I'm looking for recommendations on how to make things more interesting for the jarheads without incurring the rath of the local LEOs. Anyone? -kill-9
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:19:29 PM EDT
military clothing and no private property does this mean guys in camo walking down the street? real hard to spot
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:22:51 PM EDT
sharky, no. There is a lot of public property around Boise. There are the usual parks, but there are also Bureau of Land Management and Boise National Forest lands which run right up to the city limits. -kill-9
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:24:59 PM EDT
I like this line
Despite the chance of running into a citizen with a shotgun or a snarling 100-pound Rottweiler, urban exercises are seen as an important training tool, particularly as the U.S. military finds itself increasingly involved in chasing guerilla forces such as al Qaida.
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I suppose if the trainees are unarmed there shouldn't be a danger of someone blasting them (you shouldn't be shooting unarmed people), but what happens when one decides to disarm the dude with the shotgun?
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:29:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kill-9: OK, as a resident of Boise, I'm looking for recommendations on how to make things more interesting for the jarheads without incurring the rath of the local LEOs. Anyone?
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Why the hell would you want to do anything so incredibly stupid?
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:29:37 PM EDT
This may actually work out rather well, because - 1) Uncle Sam's Misguided Children are actually LIAISING with local LE, so there won't be any real "surprises" 2) There is a LE escort accompanying each unit 3) Forewarned is Forearmed. Since the good people of Boise know the Marines are coming, this will be an even better exercise for MOUT stealth. Perhaps there is a reward for spotting the Marines? I'd do just that - motivate the people looking for them and stealth shall increase. If it were up to me, I'd offer up to $100 for a confirmed sighting that foiled a mission - THAT will motivate stealth performance! So you see, this is being handled well and could work to the betterment of all concerned. I'd like to be able to enjoy something like this, but the soccermoms and yuppies here in San Joser would have a major shit attack if something like this were to be announced (we're not that far - on the ground and politically - from Monterey!) Pity - I would really enjoy it. FFZ
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:30:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AlClenin: I like this line
Despite the chance of running into a citizen with a shotgun or a snarling 100-pound Rottweiler, urban exercises are seen as an important training tool, particularly as the U.S. military finds itself increasingly involved in chasing guerilla forces such as al Qaida.
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I suppose if the trainees are unarmed there shouldn't be a danger of someone blasting them (you shouldn't be shooting unarmed people), but what happens when one decides to disarm the dude with the shotgun?
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It didn't say anything about the being unarmed, it said that that would not be carrying loaded weapons. I would consider someone with an unloaded weapon to still be armed. They need to notify the citizens about what is going to be going on, but then there will be people specifically looking for them. "Hey, we're going to try an sneak in tomorrow, but you aren't supposed to know about it, so don't pay attention." [:)]
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:30:40 PM EDT
maybe what we called "bang snaps" as a kid they're sold at fireworks stores, a little thing of rolled tissue paper with some chemical that explodes when thrown against a hard surface they're fairly harmless, I had a few go off after being thrown at me and hitting my arm. mild sting, nothing bad. toss them at the pavement, or cover the ground with them so they're stepped on found a site with them [url]http://www.ishop2save.com/Fun_Shop/Jokes_Tricks/bang_snaps_ca_snaps.htm[/url] [img]http://www.ishop2save.com/Fun_Shop/Jokes_Tricks/Joke_Trick%20image/jokes%20ca-snaps-6.JPG[/img]
Originally Posted By kill-9: OK, as a resident of Boise, I'm looking for recommendations on how to make things more interesting for the jarheads without incurring the rath of the local LEOs. Anyone? -kill-9
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Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:34:59 PM EDT
ahh, I think I see something like spying on the city from the cover of vegetation? that makes more sense
Originally Posted By kill-9: sharky, no. There is a lot of public property around Boise. There are the usual parks, but there are also Bureau of Land Management and Boise National Forest lands which run right up to the city limits. -kill-9
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Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:38:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 6:38:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Originally Posted By AlClenin: I like this line
Despite the chance of running into a citizen with a shotgun or a snarling 100-pound Rottweiler, urban exercises are seen as an important training tool, particularly as the U.S. military finds itself increasingly involved in chasing guerilla forces such as al Qaida.
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I suppose if the trainees are unarmed there shouldn't be a danger of someone blasting them (you shouldn't be shooting unarmed people), but what happens when one decides to disarm the dude with the shotgun?
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It didn't say anything about the being unarmed, it said that that would not be carrying loaded weapons. I would consider someone with an unloaded weapon to still be armed. They need to notify the citizens about what is going to be going on, but then there will be people specifically looking for them. "Hey, we're going to try an sneak in tomorrow, but you aren't supposed to know about it, so don't pay attention." [:)]
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Oops, reading comprehension has gone out the window apparently. Still in a semi-food coma from easter dinner. If they're carrying around guns, even without ammo, it could be interesting. They better put some big damn ads in the newpaper announcing this. Even then, there is bound to be at least one guy with a shotgun and doberman who doesn't read the newspaper. Hope they don't run into any trigger happy land owners.
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 7:57:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AlClenin: They better put some big damn ads in the newpaper announcing this.
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For what it's worth, this has been reported on every local media outlet I pay attention to. Hopefully reminders will be frequent. -kill-9
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 8:04:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kill-9: OK, as a resident of Boise, I'm looking for recommendations on how to make things more interesting for the jarheads without incurring the rath of the local LEOs. Anyone? -kill-9
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Paintball, anyone? [:D] Seriously, are the infiltrators allowed to dress in civvies? Are they in full gear? How undercover does this sort of thing get?
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 8:07:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DScott:
Originally Posted By kill-9: OK, as a resident of Boise, I'm looking for recommendations on how to make things more interesting for the jarheads without incurring the rath of the local LEOs. Anyone? -kill-9
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Paintball, anyone? [:D] Seriously, are the infiltrators allowed to dress in civvies? Are they in full gear? How undercover does this sort of thing get?
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From the article: -- The scenario of the exercise conducted by the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory calls for 24 reconnaissance-team members to fly to a National Guard training facility outside Boise in late April. The Marines will then attempt to slip into the city, spy on specific targets and then get out of town unnoticed; other Marines will act as enemy sentries guarding the target buildings. Hirsch said the Marines would be wearing military-style clothing and would not be carrying loaded weapons. They will also not go on to private property. The goal is for the Marines to carry out their missions without being noticed by Boise's 186,000 citizens. -- -kill-9
Link Posted: 3/31/2002 8:19:12 PM EDT
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